How many "Kingdoms of Heaven" are there?

jerry kelso said:

5thkingdom,

1. Let's simplify first.

2. The physical KoH is the earthly sphere of the physical universal KoG. Daniel 7:27 coins it as the kingdom under the whole Heaven.
This physical earthly sphere is out of harmony with the universal KoG and will be brought back into harmony when the Son gives the Kingdom back to the Father so God will be all in all 1 Corinthians 15:24-28.

3. The spiritual KoH has things contained in it.
The spiritual KoG is the rule of heart Matthew 6:33;Luke 17:20-21. The Jews were never told to seek the the KoH to be saved.
The KoH is only mentioned in Matthew because it is the gospel of Jehovah as King.
Baselia is Greek which means a realm or a region governed by a king.
The KoH does mean kingdom from the heavens which means the sovereignty comes from Heaven because the king is from there John18:36.

4. The beginning of the KoH was Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden.
They were told to have dominion over all creation in Genesis 1:26.
They were sinless and had the rule of God in their heart till they sinned in Genesis 3:6-8. They were kicked out of the Garden of Eden Genesis 3:24.
They lost both the KoH physical rule and the spiritual rule of the KoG at the same time.

5. Fast forward to Jesus day when Luke said he came to seek and save that which was lost he was talking about the KoH and the KoG overall.
The Jews rejected this message Matthew 23:37-39.
At Calvary Jesus restored the KoG of the rule of the heart.

6. The KoH will be restored at the time of the 1000 year KoH reign. The nation of Israel's gifts and callings Romans 11:29 to be at the head of the nations Isaiah 2:2-4; and their national repentance Roman's 11:27; 25-29 to fulfill Jeremiah 31:31-34; Hebrews 8:7-13 is all tied into the restoration of the KoH Acts 3:19.

7. So there are a couple of parallel passages in the gospel because the earthly is a part of the heavenly. In this respect they have almost everything in common.
In the dispensational context they are not the same and I will not go through that for times sake, but Dake covers it in his God's Plan For Man.
Suffice to say that there is one overall KoG of which the KoH is but one small part of it.
At the same time there are distinctions between these two kingdoms and the Jews recognize this.
It is very late and so I will address your 5 kingdoms tomorrow if I get the chance. Good night Jerry kelso

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First.... 99% of what you said was your personal interpretation.
And I can prove you wrong in less than 30 seconds.

(1) The "Kingdom of Heaven" contains both saved "wheat" and unsaved "tares"
That is made very clear in Mat 13... it contains "flesh and blood".

(2) The "Kingdom of God" contains only the saved "wheat"... it does not contain unsaved.
And it does not include "flesh and blood". [1Co 15]

See... it took less than 30 seconds to prove you wrong.

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4.1 The “Kingdom of Heaven”


The New Testament Christian Kingdom (the Christian Church) was the THIRD "Kingdom of Heaven" on earth

and it began when the Holy Spirit was "TAKEN" from the (2nd) Jewish Kingdom and it was "GIVEN" to the Saints

following the Lord Jesus Christ - as He established the (3rd) Christian "Kingdom of Heaven". From that point in time

the Jewish Kingdom would never produce another "child of God". At that point in time, all living Saints were "harvested"

into the (3rd) Christian "Kingdom of Heaven"... and all the people left-behind in the Jewish Kingdom were forsaken by God,

as salvation was only available through the Atonement of the Lord Jesus Christ, and within the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven".


Mat 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, the KINGDOM OF GOD shall be TAKEN from you [the Jewish Kingdom],

and GIVEN to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof [the Christian Kingdom].


In Matthew 13 the Lord Jesus reveals several different perspectives about the (3rd) New Testament "Kingdom of Heaven".

The Lord reveals [v3-8] the "Kingdom of Heaven" (Christian Kingdom) is like a man sowing seed, and the Christian Gospel

is called [v19] the "Word of the Kingdom". The Lord reveals [v24-30] the "Kingdom of Heaven" (Christian Kingdom) includes

both saved "wheat" (sown by Christ), and unsaved "tares" (sown by Satan). Moreover, these wheat and tares look very similar,

and they are allowed to grow together - until they are separated during the "Final Harvest", which occurs at the "end-of-the-age".


The Lord reveals [v47-50] the "Kingdom of Heaven" (Christian Kingdom) is like casting a net to gather both good fish ("wheat")

and bad fish ("tares"), which are later separated during the "Final Harvest". And finally, the Lord reveals [v52] that the GOSPEL

of the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" includes the Saints ("wheat") understanding the Harmony of Scripture between mysteries

which were revealed during the (2nd) Old Testament Kingdom (represented as "old treasure") and mysteries now being revealed

during the "testimony" of the Great Commission, during the (3rd) New Testament Kingdom (represented as "new treasure").


(1) The "Kingdom of Heaven" is an earthly Kingdom

(2) The sower of good seed represents the Lord Jesus Christ

(3) The sower of bad seed represents Satan, the King of Babylon

(4) The "Word of the Kingdom" (the seed) is the Gospel of the New Testament

(5) The "field" represents the world, as the Gospel goes forth to both Jew and Gentile

(6) The "fruit" of the field (both wheat and tares) represents the (3rd) "Kingdom of Heaven"

(7) The "Word of the Kingdom" gathers good fish and bad fish during the (3rd) Christian Kingdom

(8) The (saved) "wheat" and the (unsaved) "tares" LOOK similar, and grow together until the end-of-the-age

(9) At the end-of-the-age, the "wheat and tares" (the good fish and bad fish) are separated - during the "Final Harvest"






In Matthew 13 the Lord explains the THIRD "Kingdom of Heaven" (the Christian Kingdom -or- New Testament Church)

is an earthly Kingdom consisting of both (saved) "wheat" and (unsaved) "tares". This Biblical Truth also harmonizes with

the (2nd) Jewish Kingdom containing both saved "wheat" and unsaved "tares" within the "Kingdom" of national Israel and

the (4th) Great Tribulation Kingdom containing both saved "wheat" (shown as "Wise Virgins" and "Toes/Kings" of IRON),

and unsaved "tares" (shown as "Foolish Virgins" and "Toes/Kings" of CLAY) during the Fourth and Last Kingdom on earth.


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Neogaia777 said:

How many dimensions (planes of existence) are there?, well, I don't think anyone knows for sure yet, but many theories... Where different stages and states of existence are possible, I don't know...?

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Daniel 12:8-10 says what it says... and it is God's Word.
The Last Saints "shall understand" what was "sealed" to all previous Saints.


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Douggg said:

Hi Soyeong, I had never heard of that word before. I had to look it up. Thanks.

Could you please explain the word, how you meant it in your sentence below?

The Kingdom of Heaven is a circumlocution for the Kingdom of God and both refer to the rule and reign of God in our lives.

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Except for two problems:

(1) The "Kingdom of Heaven" contains BOTH saved "wheat" and unsaved" tares....
Matthew 13 makes that clear - AND it contains "flesh and blood"

(2) The "Kingdom of God" does NOT contain any unsaved...
1Co 15 makes it clear that it does NOT contain "flesh and blood".

Either you are wrong.... or the Bible is wrong....
which is it?


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First.... tell me who do you think Matthew 22:1-8 is talking about?
Either it is the Jewish Kingdom.... or it is a fictional story.

Second.... let me make this very simple for you....
(a) The "Kingdom of Heaven" contains both saved "wheat" and unsaved" tares.
Matthew 13 makes it clear it contains "flesh and blood".
(b) The "Kingdom of God" contains NO unsaved people.
1 Co 15 makes it clear it contains NO "flesh and blood"

Third.... I am very aware of what Matthew 13 says.
Try READING the words below:

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4.1 The “Kingdom of Heaven”



The New Testament Christian Kingdom (the Christian Church) was the THIRD "Kingdom of Heaven" on earth

and it began when the Holy Spirit was "TAKEN" from the (2nd) Jewish Kingdom and it was "GIVEN" to the Saints

following the Lord Jesus Christ - as He established the (3rd) Christian "Kingdom of Heaven". From that point in time

the Jewish Kingdom would never produce another "child of God". At that point in time, all living Saints were "harvested"

into the (3rd) Christian "Kingdom of Heaven"... and all the people left-behind in the Jewish Kingdom were forsaken by God,

as salvation was only available through the Atonement of the Lord Jesus Christ, and within the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven".


Mat 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, the KINGDOM OF GOD shall be TAKEN from you [the Jewish Kingdom],

and GIVEN to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof [the Christian Kingdom].


In Matthew 13 the Lord Jesus reveals several different perspectives about the (3rd) New Testament "Kingdom of Heaven".

The Lord reveals [v3-8] the "Kingdom of Heaven" (Christian Kingdom) is like a man sowing seed, and the Christian Gospel

is called [v19] the "Word of the Kingdom". The Lord reveals [v24-30] the "Kingdom of Heaven" (Christian Kingdom) includes

both saved "wheat" (sown by Christ), and unsaved "tares" (sown by Satan). Moreover, these wheat and tares look very similar,

and they are allowed to grow together - until they are separated during the "Final Harvest", which occurs at the "end-of-the-age".


The Lord reveals [v47-50] the "Kingdom of Heaven" (Christian Kingdom) is like casting a net to gather both good fish ("wheat")

and bad fish ("tares"), which are later separated during the "Final Harvest". And finally, the Lord reveals [v52] that the GOSPEL

of the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" includes the Saints ("wheat") understanding the Harmony of Scripture between mysteries

which were revealed during the (2nd) Old Testament Kingdom (represented as "old treasure") and mysteries now being revealed

during the "testimony" of the Great Commission, during the (3rd) New Testament Kingdom (represented as "new treasure").


(1) The "Kingdom of Heaven" is an earthly Kingdom

(2) The sower of good seed represents the Lord Jesus Christ

(3) The sower of bad seed represents Satan, the King of Babylon

(4) The "Word of the Kingdom" (the seed) is the Gospel of the New Testament

(5) The "field" represents the world, as the Gospel goes forth to both Jew and Gentile

(6) The "fruit" of the field (both wheat and tares) represents the (3rd) "Kingdom of Heaven"

(7) The "Word of the Kingdom" gathers good fish and bad fish during the (3rd) Christian Kingdom

(8) The (saved) "wheat" and the (unsaved) "tares" LOOK similar, and grow together until the end-of-the-age

(9) At the end-of-the-age, the "wheat and tares" (the good fish and bad fish) are separated - during the "Final Harvest"



In Matthew 13 the Lord explains the THIRD "Kingdom of Heaven" (the Christian Kingdom -or- New Testament Church)

is an earthly Kingdom consisting of both (saved) "wheat" and (unsaved) "tares". This Biblical Truth also harmonizes with

the (2nd) Jewish Kingdom containing both saved "wheat" and unsaved "tares" within the "Kingdom" of national Israel and

the (4th) Great Tribulation Kingdom containing both saved "wheat" (shown as "Wise Virgins" and "Toes/Kings" of IRON),

and unsaved "tares" (shown as "Foolish Virgins" and "Toes/Kings" of CLAY) during the Fourth and Last Kingdom on earth.





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ViaCrucis said:

It doesn't. Matthew ch. 13 in its entirety reads:
-CryptoLutheran

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First... the RULE for Bible study is that in order to understand a subject
you must be able to harmonize ALL RELATED SCRIPTURE. You have not
even tried to do that.

Second.... it only takes about 30 seconds to prove your theories wrong.
(a) The "Kingdom of Heaven" consists of BOTH unsaved "tares" and saved "wheat".
Mat 13 makes this clear and also that it contains "flesh and blood"
(b) The "Kingdom of God" does NOT contain any unsaved "tares"
1 Co 15 makes it clear that it does NOT contain "flesh and blood"

Third.... I am very familiar with Matthew 13.
Posting the chapter (as you did) means nothing.
Understanding (and explaining) the chapter as I did means everything

Try reading what I wrote and responding to what I wrote.

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4.1 The “Kingdom of Heaven”


The New Testament Christian Kingdom (the Christian Church) was the THIRD "Kingdom of Heaven" on earth

and it began when the Holy Spirit was "TAKEN" from the (2nd) Jewish Kingdom and it was "GIVEN" to the Saints

following the Lord Jesus Christ - as He established the (3rd) Christian "Kingdom of Heaven". From that point in time

the Jewish Kingdom would never produce another "child of God". At that point in time, all living Saints were "harvested"

into the (3rd) Christian "Kingdom of Heaven"... and all the people left-behind in the Jewish Kingdom were forsaken by God,

as salvation was only available through the Atonement of the Lord Jesus Christ, and within the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven".


Mat 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, the KINGDOM OF GOD shall be TAKEN from you [the Jewish Kingdom],

and GIVEN to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof [the Christian Kingdom].


In Matthew 13 the Lord Jesus reveals several different perspectives about the (3rd) New Testament "Kingdom of Heaven".

The Lord reveals [v3-8] the "Kingdom of Heaven" (Christian Kingdom) is like a man sowing seed, and the Christian Gospel

is called [v19] the "Word of the Kingdom". The Lord reveals [v24-30] the "Kingdom of Heaven" (Christian Kingdom) includes

both saved "wheat" (sown by Christ), and unsaved "tares" (sown by Satan). Moreover, these wheat and tares look very similar,

and they are allowed to grow together - until they are separated during the "Final Harvest", which occurs at the "end-of-the-age".


The Lord reveals [v47-50] the "Kingdom of Heaven" (Christian Kingdom) is like casting a net to gather both good fish ("wheat")

and bad fish ("tares"), which are later separated during the "Final Harvest". And finally, the Lord reveals [v52] that the GOSPEL

of the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" includes the Saints ("wheat") understanding the Harmony of Scripture between mysteries

which were revealed during the (2nd) Old Testament Kingdom (represented as "old treasure") and mysteries now being revealed

during the "testimony" of the Great Commission, during the (3rd) New Testament Kingdom (represented as "new treasure").


(1) The "Kingdom of Heaven" is an earthly Kingdom

(2) The sower of good seed represents the Lord Jesus Christ

(3) The sower of bad seed represents Satan, the King of Babylon

(4) The "Word of the Kingdom" (the seed) is the Gospel of the New Testament

(5) The "field" represents the world, as the Gospel goes forth to both Jew and Gentile

(6) The "fruit" of the field (both wheat and tares) represents the (3rd) "Kingdom of Heaven"

(7) The "Word of the Kingdom" gathers good fish and bad fish during the (3rd) Christian Kingdom

(8) The (saved) "wheat" and the (unsaved) "tares" LOOK similar, and grow together until the end-of-the-age

(9) At the end-of-the-age, the "wheat and tares" (the good fish and bad fish) are separated - during the "Final Harvest"



In Matthew 13 the Lord explains the THIRD "Kingdom of Heaven" (the Christian Kingdom -or- New Testament Church)

is an earthly Kingdom consisting of both (saved) "wheat" and (unsaved) "tares". This Biblical Truth also harmonizes with

the (2nd) Jewish Kingdom containing both saved "wheat" and unsaved "tares" within the "Kingdom" of national Israel and

the (4th) Great Tribulation Kingdom containing both saved "wheat" (shown as "Wise Virgins" and "Toes/Kings" of IRON),

and unsaved "tares" (shown as "Foolish Virgins" and "Toes/Kings" of CLAY) during the Fourth and Last Kingdom on earth.



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ViaCrucis said:

They are one and the same. The kingdom of heaven and the kingdom of God are the same thing;
-CryptoLutheran

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If the "Kingdom of Heaven" contains BOTH saved "wheat" and unsaved "tares"
[Mat 13] and it contains "flesh and blood".... how can it be the SAME as

The "Kingdom of God" which does NOT contain unsaved "tares"
and does NOT contain "flesh and blood" [1Co 15]

Either you are correct... or the Bible is correct....
Which is it?


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jerry kelso said:

7. So there are a couple of parallel passages in the gospel because the earthly is a part of the heavenly. In this respect they have almost everything in common.
In the dispensational context they are not the same and I will not go through that for times sake, but Dake covers it in his God's Plan For Man.
Suffice to say that there is one overall KoG of which the KoH is but one small part of it.
At the same time there are distinctions between these two kingdoms and the Jews recognize this.
It is very late and so I will address your 5 kingdoms tomorrow if I get the chance. Good night Jerry kelso

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You have that exactly backward.
The "Kingdom of Heaven" is the Kingdom containing BOTH saved "wheat"
and unsaved "tares" [Mat 13].... it contains "flesh and blood"

The "Kingdom of God" does NOT contain any unsaved "tares"
and it does not contain "flesh and blood".

Read more below:

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The Kingdom of God




After understanding the Biblical definition of "Kingdom of Heaven" the next question becomes: What's the difference between

the phrase "Kingdom of Heaven" and the phrase "Kingdom of God"? Throughout the entire (3rd) Christian Kingdom the Saints

could never understand the difference - because that information remained "sealed" to them. However, it was always God's Plan

for this Biblical "mystery" to eventually be revealed by the last of the "Wise Virgins", during the current "Season and Time".


The phrase "Kingdom of God" is used seventy (70) times in the Bible and every time it represents the Holy Spirit of God

and/or the souls (but not the bodies) of the "wheat", who have been "born again" (regenerated by His "indwelling" Spirit).


We see [Mat 21:43] the "Kingdom of God" is an earthly Kingdom because it was "taken" from those in the Jewish Kingdom,

and it was "given" to those in the (3rd) Christian Kingdom. In other words, the HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD was "taken" from

the Jewish "Kingdom of Heaven" and was "given" to the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven". And the EVIDENCE of this event

was (a) the "harvest" of Saints (indwelt with the Spirit) out of the (2nd) Jewish Kingdom and into the (3rd) Christian Kingdom

and (b) the "new song" of the Christian Gospel - as many Old Testament "mysteries" were then "unsealed" to the Christian Saints.


Mat 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, the KINGDOM OF GOD [the Holy Spirit of God] shall be TAKEN from you

[taken from the Jewish "Kingdom of Heaven"], and GIVEN to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof

[given to the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven"].


Again, the "Kingdoms of Heaven" are physical Kingdoms containing both the "wheat and tares" preaching the Gospel, while

the "Kingdom of God" is the Holy Spirit of God - and the spiritual Kingdom consisting of only those "indwelt" with His Spirit.

When the Bible commands [Mat 6:33] we "seek ye first the Kingdom of God" it's not teaching we should seek the Christian Church.

Instead, it commands we seek to enter into a spiritual Kingdom by becoming regenerated (we seek to be "indwelt" or "born again").

We are not saved by entering into a temporal "Kingdom of Heaven"... we are saved by entering into the eternal "Kingdom of God".


John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again

[except a man be regenerated, or saved, or "indwelt"] he cannot see the KINGDOM OF GOD.


John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water [of the Gospel]

and of the Spirit [of the Holy Spirit of God], he cannot enter into the KINGDOM OF GOD.

6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit.

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“Kingdom of God” is a SUBSET of the “Kingdom of Heaven”


To be clear, the "Kingdom of God" is a SUBSET of the "Kingdom of Heaven" because it only includes the saved "wheat",

and not the unsaved "tares". Therefore, the Bible can use the phrases interchangeably when it focuses only on the "wheat"

within the Kingdom. When focused only on the "wheat", the Bible can use "Kingdom of Heaven" OR "Kingdom of God".

And that is why we have several parallel passages in the Bible that interchange these two phrases.


For example: In the Bible we are commanded to REPENT because the "Kingdom of Heaven" is at hand...

However, in other passages we are commanded to REPENT because the "Kingdom of God" is at hand. In both cases,

the focus is on the (5th) Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven" (not the 3rd Christian Kingdom) since it's ONLY the saved "wheat"

that actually "repent" as commanded. The unsaved "tares" never fulfill the command to "repent and believe" and, as a result,

the unsaved "tares" can never enter into the (5th eternal) "Kingdom of Heaven" or the (one and only) eternal "Kingdom of God".


Another example: In Matthew 11:11 we are told that John the Baptist is the greatest mortal man ever born on earth,

but the LEAST in the "Kingdom of Heaven" is greater than John. However, in Luke 7:28 the phrase "Kingdom of God"

is used interchangeably... because, in both cases, the Kingdom in view is the (5th) Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven". Obviously,

the LEAST in the (3rd) Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" is NOT greater than John the Baptist. Therefore, the context requires

us to understand the interchangeability of these two phrases - whenever the context is focused ONLY on the saved "wheat/sheep".


Mat 11:11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist:

notwithstanding, he that is LEAST in the [5th and eternal] Kingdom of Heaven is greater than he.


Luke 7:28 For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist:

but he that is LEAST in the [one and only] Kingdom of God is greater than he.


Another example: In Matthew 13:10-11 the Lord reveals He spoke in parables as understanding of His Words was only given

to the "disciples" (wheat) in the "Kingdom of Heaven". However, in Mark 4:11 the phrase "Kingdom of God" is used because:

(a) it only includes the saved "wheat" in the Kingdom - specifically excluding "them that are without" the eternal Kingdom and

(b) because the verse also has application to mysteries revealed AFTER the (3rd) Christian Kingdom ... at the "time-of-the-end".

The "mysteries" now being revealed during this "Season and Time" are part of the "Mystery of the Kingdom of God", however,

they were never meant to be understood by Saints in the Jewish "Kingdom of Heaven" or Christian "Kingdom of Heaven".4


Mat 13:10 And the disciples [saved wheat] came, and said unto Him, Why speakest Thou unto them [the tares] in parables?

11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you [given unto the disciples] to know the mysteries

of the [3rd New Testament] KINGDOM OF HEAVEN but to them [to the unsaved tares] it is not given.


Mark 4:11 And He said unto them [the disciples], Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the KINGDOM OF GOD

but unto them that are without [the tares outside the 5th Eternal Kingdom], all these things are done in parables:


Another example: In Matthew 13:32 the Bible likens the "Kingdom of Heaven" to a great tree lodging birds in its branches.

However, in both Mark 4:32 and Luke 13:19 the Bible uses "Kingdom of God" to describe the same tree with "great branches",

allowing birds to "lodge under the shadow of it". In all three passages the birds represent the (saved) wheat and NOT the tares.

Note: Many Bible 'scholars' misunderstand these verses. In the Bible, "birds" can represent EITHER the "wheat" or the "tares",

depending on the immediate context of the specific passage - see Isaiah 31:5, and Matthew 24:27-28, and Revelation 19:17-21.


The "Kingdom of Heaven" and the "Kingdom of God" are both earthly Kingdoms existing throughout all of history.

The best way to understand the difference is to realize the "Kingdom of Heaven" is a PHYSICAL Kingdom on earth

representing the (unsaved) "tares" and/or the (saved) "wheat" within each of the Four Kingdoms in history. However,

the "Kingdom of God" is a SPIRITUAL Kingdom - which includes only the souls of the Saints - from each Kingdom.

The "Kingdom of God" is an earthly Kingdom containing SOULS of the Saints... it does not include their moral bodies.


In the Bible, the "Kingdom of Heaven" is a PHYSICAL Kingdom including the BODIES of all the "wheat and tares"

associated with preaching the "Word of the Kingdom" (preaching the Gospel) during each of Daniel's Four Kingdoms.

While the "Kingdom of God" is a SPIRITUAL Kingdom containing only the "born again" SOULS of Saints ("wheat").


Of course, the reason why the earthly "Kingdom of God" is a spiritual Kingdom including the souls (but not the bodies)

of those who are regenerated, from each "Kingdom of Heaven", is that only our SOUL is "born again" when we are saved.

Obviously, "flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God"... so our corruptible mortal bodies can never be included.

Obviously, redemption of our bodies does not occur until the Seventh Trumpet sounds - and the Lord Jesus Christ Returns.


1 Co 15:50 Now this I say, BRETHREN, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the KINGDOM OF GOD:

neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.


1 Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We [the brethren] shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last Trump: for the [Seventh] Trumpet shall sound,

and the dead [brethren] shall be raised incorruptible, and we [last brethren] shall be changed. 53 For this

corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible

shall put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass

the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.


While the redemption of our bodies does not occur until the Seventh Trumpet, our souls are redeemed when we become saved.

The souls of Saints enter into the "Kingdom of God" when we are indwelt with His Holy Spirit and our soul is "born again".

The "dead" souls of the Saints enter into the eternal "Kingdom of God" when they are "raised" by the Holy Spirit of God.

The "quickening" of our dead souls, as we are "born again" by the indwelling Holy Spirit of God, is the point in time

when we (our souls) are taken out of the "Kingdom of Babylon" and translated into the eternal "Kingdom of God".


Eph 2:5 Even when we were DEAD in sins, hath QUICKENED us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved

6 And hath RAISED US up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:


John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water [the Gospel]

and of the Spirit [and of the Holy Spirit], he cannot enter into the KINGDOM OF GOD.

6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh: and that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit.


While we enter into the temporal "Kingdom of Heaven" when we become associated with, and preach the Gospel of, one of Daniel's

four earthly Kingdoms - we enter into the eternal "Kingdom of God" when we (our souls) are "translated" from the spiritual death

of Satan's "Kingdom of Babylon" and we (our souls) are "regenerated" or "born again" by the "indwelling" Holy Spirit of God.

While our souls are redeemed when we are "raised" or "quickened" by His Spirit, our bodies are redeemed at the Last Trump.


(11) The "Kingdom of God" represents the Holy Spirit of God - and those "indwelt" with His Spirit.

The "Kingdom of God" represents the souls (but not the bodies) of those who are "born again" (saved)

in each of Daniel's four "Kingdoms of Heaven", and those within the (5th) Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven"


While there are FIVE "Kingdoms of Heaven" on earth... there's only ONE "Kingdom of God".

Daniel's four Kingdoms are physical Kingdoms - the "Kingdom of God" is a spiritual Kingdom.


After understanding the difference between the (five) "Kingdoms of Heaven" and the (one) "Kingdom of God",

the next question becomes: What is the Biblical definition of the phrase "Kingdom of Babylon"? Throughout the

Christian Kingdom, Saints could never understand "Babylon the Great", which is demonstrated as the Bible [Rev 17:5]

actually NAMES this Kingdom "Mystery Babylon". We now reveal the "unsealed" mystery of the "Kingdom of Babylon".





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Douggg said:

The wheat and tares that come up resulting from the seed are the saved and unsaved.

The saved inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. The unsaved do not. There is only one Kingdom of Heaven, not multiple kingdoms of heaven.

The issue I have with your theory is that you are saying that there are different Kingdoms of Heaven, which is the bible does not say different Kingdoms of Heaven.

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Douggg...

(1) the first problem with what you said above is that it contradicts Scripture.
Scripture is very clear that the "Kingdom of Heaven" contains BOTH saved "wheat"
and unsaved "tares". [Mat 13]. So the premise of your comment (that ONLY the saved
are included in the "Kingdom of Heaven" is disproven immediately.

(2) The second problem you have is that you claim there is ONE "Kingdom of Heaven"
when the Bible NAMES the (2nd) Jewish Kingdom and the (3d) Christian Kingdom and
the (4th) Great Tribulation Kingdom and the (5th) Eternal Kingdom as four separate
"Kingdoms of Heaven".

I understand you have a different opinion - and you are entitled to your opinion - but that
does not mean your opinion harmonizes with the Bible. In order to harmonize with the Bible
the "Kingdom of Heaven" must (a) include FOUR different Kingdoms of "flesh and blood" while
the "Kingdom of God" is ONE Kingdom of ONLY "wheat"... and not "flesh and blood".

If you can show "flesh and blood" in the "Kingdom of God".... then you are correct.
If you can show "tares" in the "Kingdom of God".... then you are correct.

If you can show ONLY ONE "Kingdom of Heaven".... then you are correct.
But the Bible shows FOUR separate "Kingdoms of Heaven".... because the
Jewish Kingdom was DIFFERENT from the Christian Kingdom and both are
DIFFERENT than the Eternal Kingdom.

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The wheat and tares that come up resulting from the seed are the saved and unsaved.

The saved inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. The unsaved do not. There is only one Kingdom of Heaven, not multiple kingdoms of heaven.

The issue I have with your theory is that you are saying that there are different Kingdoms of Heaven, which is the bible does not say different Kingdoms of Heaven.

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Read Matthew 13 carefully....

(1) the "field" is the world
(2) the "fruit" of the field (both "wheat and tares" are the "Kingdom of Heaven".

During the (2nd) Jewish "Kingdom of Heaven" both the "wheat and tares"
were PART of the "Kingdom"... the Kingdom included "flesh and blood".
The "Kingdom of God" does not include "tares" nor "flesh and blood".

During the (3rd) Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" both the "wheat and tares"
were PART of the "Kingdom"... the Kingdom included "flesh and blood".
The "Kingdom of God" does not include "tares" nor "flesh and blood".

You have REPEATEDLY said there is only ONE "Kingdom of Heaven"...
but you have NEVER shown any SCRIPTURE to support that "feeling".
If you can find one SCRIPTURE to support your theory... cite chapter and verse.
If you cannot find one VERSE to support that theory... you are only expressing your "feeling"

It is not ME that says the Jewish Kingdom was a "Kingdom of Heaven"... it's the Bible.
It is not ME that says the Christian Kingdom was a "Kingdom of Heaven"... it's the Bible.

You simply cannot harmonize your theory with SCRIPTURE....
It is as simple as that.


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Douggg said:

You have misunderstood that verse.

" GIVEN to a nation" There is no Christian nation - a nation of Christians only.

That particular nation of Jews, that particular generation which rejected Jesus, the Kingdom was taken from them. The nation which will bring forth the fruits thereof is not the so called Christian Kingdom you have coined, but the nation of Israel, i.e. a different generation of Jews who during the great tribulation will turn to Jesus.


This is in Revelation 12:17, which the woman is Israel, and has the testimony of Jesus.

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You are simply expressing your opinions again... without Scripture.

(1) There is a "Christian Nation"... it is the people preaching the Christian Gospel.

(2) The Bible does not teach Jews turning to Jesus during the Great Tribulation...
that is another "private interpretation" not supported with Scripture (only "feelings")

(3) The "woman" of Rev 12:7 is the "Body of Christ"
And the Saints (Body of Christ) living in the (4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"
Remember.... before you can pretend to have found Biblical Truth you theory must
harmonize with ALL RELATED SCRIPTURE.

Notice #12, #13, #14, #15 and #16 below....
This is not a 'coincidence'.... these are the SAME EVENT

the period of 3.5 "times".... or 3.5 "days".... or 3.5 years (42 months)
represents the DURATION of the (4th) Great Tribulation Kingdom which
does not represent Jews... it represents the "ten virgins" of Mat 25:1
which "went forth" following the Anti-Christ

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Daniel's "Abomination of Desolation" is Satan RULING over the Last Saints (through the actions of his Anti-Christ)

during the Fourth “Kingdom of Heaven” on earth. (aka the Revelations Beast/the Great Tribulation/Satan’s Little Season).

The following passages show the “Little Horn” or “False Prophet” RULING over the “wheat and tares” of the Fourth Beast.

Although the “wheat and tares” are called by many different names, such as: the “Kingdom”, and the “Holy Place” and

the “Temple of God”, and the “Host and Stars”, and the “Mighty and Holy People”, and the “Sanctuary and Host”
and the “Holy People”. The Anti-Christ RULING over the “wheat and tares” of the Fourth Beast is shown as:



(1) The “Abomination” of the Anti-Christ “standing” (ruling) in the “Holy Place” [Mat 24]

(2) The “Man of Sin” when he is revealed “sitting” (ruling) in the “Temple of God” [2Th2]


The first two examples show the Anti-Christ RULING during the (4th) Great Tribulation Kingdom.

The next three examples also show the Anti-Christ RULING during the same period – the Revelations Beast.

We now have five (5) examples of the Anti-Christ RULING over the “wheat and tares” during Daniel’s Fourth Beast.


(3) The “Ten Kings” that “agree to give their Kingdom unto the Beast” [Rev 17]

(4) The “Ten Horns” that “give their power and strength unto the Beast” [Rev 17]

(5) The tormenting “Locusts” who are “ruled” by a King named Apollyon [Rev 9]


However, the EVENT known as Daniel’s Abomination of Desolation is shown in many other passages of Scripture.

Below is a partial list of some passages showing Daniel’s Abomination RULING over Daniel’s Fourth Kingdom.

You cannot pretend to have an “informed opinion” on Daniel’s AOD unless all of these verses are harmonized.


(6) The “Horns” that were “plucked up” by the Anti-Christ [Dan 7]

(7) The “Host and Stars” that are “cast down” by the Anti-Christ. [Dan 8]

(8) The “Kingdom” which the Anti-Christ “obtains with flatteries” [Dan 11]

(9) The “Kingdom” that is “overflown” and “broken” by the Anti-Christ [Dan 11]

(10) The “Mighty and Holy People” who are “destroyed” by the Anti-Christ [Dan 8]

(11) The “Sanctuary and Host” that are “trodden under foot” by the Anti-Christ [Dan 8]

(12) The “Woman” which is hidden from the face of the “serpent” for 3.5 “times” [Rev 12]

(13) The “Holy People” whose “power is scattered” by the Anti-Christ for 3.5 “times” [Dan 12]

(14) The “Kings” that are “given into his hand” (into the Anti-Christ’s hand) for 3.5 “times” [Dan 7]

(15) The “Witnesses” which are first “overcome” and then are “killed” by Satan for 3.5 “days” [Rev 11]

(16) The “Holy City” which the Anti-Christ “treads under foot” for Forty-two months / 3.5 years [Rev 11]

(17) The “Arms” that “shall stand on his part” (stand with the Anti-Christ) and “pollute the Sanctuary” [Dan 11]

(18) The “Ten Virgins” who “went forth” preaching the Gospel of the Anti-Christ during the Fourth Kingdom [Mat 25]

(19) The “Sanctuary” being “polluted” by the Anti-Christ during Daniel’s Fourth “Kingdom of Heaven” [Dan 11]



While the people alive during Daniel’s Fourth Kingdom are shown [Mat 25] as the “ten Virgins” that “went forth”

(into the Great Tribulation “Kingdom of Heaven”)… and they are shown [Dan 7] as the “ten Kings” and “ten Horns”

(that were “given into the hand” of the Anti-Christ)… and they are shown [Rev 17] as the “ten Kings” and the “ten Horns”

(that “agreed to give their Kingdom to the Beast”), the Bible contains (literally) DOZENS of other passages talking about

these same people and every one of the passages must be harmonized before we can pretend to have more than partial-truth.


You cannot even pretend to have found BIBLICAL TRUTH about a subject unless you can harmonize ALL SCRIPTURES

that are related to that subject. In the case of the people living on earth during the reign of the Anti-Christ (the Fourth Beast),

you must be able to harmonize ALL passages related to those people – regardless of the names they are called in that passage.

The doctrine of “harmony of Scripture” does not mean harmony of select passages… it means harmony of all related passages.


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Douggg said:

The Kingdom of God will have dominion, Jesus and the saints ruling over the nations of the earth. The nations will be occupied by both the saved and the unsaved. The unsaved, them who don't receive Christ during their lifetime, are the tares, the saved are the wheat.

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That is what YOU say....
But the BIBLE says differently.

The Bible says that the "Kingdom of Heaven" (the Christian Kingdom)
consists of the "wheat and tares" in the "field" (world) which hear the
Gospel (word of the Kingdom).

Douggg.... I don't know if you realize this or not.
But it was always PART of the Christian Gospel that the "Kingdom" would be infiltrated
by unsaved "tares" and the "leaven" of their false doctrines would corrupt the church...
and eventually the entire "Kingdom". In fact this PROCESS of "tares" corrupting the churches
began while the Apostles were preaching. Read Revealation chapters 2 & 3 to see the extent
of the corruption of "tares" before the end of the first century.

The "tares" are not people OUTSIDE the "Kingdom of Heaven"...
they are people INSIDE the Kingdom... people planted by Satan.

It is a common mistake of "new Christians" to think the "wheat" are the people
in the Christian Kingdom and the "tares" are the people of the world. That is wrong.
Both the "wheat and tares" are people claiming to be Christian.... that is why they
LOOK alike.... and why their gospels LOOK alike.

Remember.... the "Kingdom of Heaven" (whether the Jewish Kingdom or Christian Kingdom0
consists of BOTH "wheat and tares".... they contain "flesh and blood".

While the "Kingdom of God" (there is only one) does not include any "tares"
and it does not include "flesh and blood".

These are both important criteria that you continue to ignore.


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