How Many Evenings are in a Day?

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

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https://pluto.huji.ac.il/~mselio/Ancient-Jewish.pdf

Yeah I know the history. But again, are you implying that Leviticus and Deuteronomy are wrong?

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

No; but I'm aware of its' roots. How is this relevant?

Because, just as the source you gave, it also discusses all of this...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Lots of things weren't mentioned. Where is your evidence of absence? You have none.

The evidence is the scriptures themselves being silent of something so important...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Lots of things weren't mentioned. Where is your evidence of absence? You have none.

So under the "Zadokite" calendar, Yeshua was killed on Tuesday the 14th and was buried before sunset? So He was in the grave the 15th (a Wednesday...1st of unleavened), 16th (a Thursday) and 17th (a Friday). So the resurrection was Friday after sunset (early on the Sabbath)?? So when was Yom HaBikkurrim? On the 16th or the 19th??

 

[honey badger]

So under the "Zadokite" calendar, Yeshua was killed on Tuesday the 14th and was buried before sunset? So He was in the grave the 15th (a Wednesday...1st of unleavened), 16th (a Thursday) and 17th (a Friday). So the resurrection was Friday after sunset (early on the Sabbath)?? So when was Yom HaBikkurrim? On the 16th or the 19th??

Jesus was crucified on the sixth day ... a Friday ...

 

[HARK!]

Yeah I know the history. But again, are you implying that Leviticus and Deuteronomy are wrong?

Don't confuse your inferences with my implications.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Don't confuse your inferences with my implications.

I am asking you...it is a yes or no answer...

 

[HARK!]

The evidence is the scriptures themselves being silent of something so important...

The scripture is silent as to whether or not there were dinner plates. Are you asserting that there were no dinner plates too?

I repeat, absence of evidence does not constitute evidence of absence. I can make my own assumptions; but I won't treat them as facts in the process of problem solving.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Lots of things weren't mentioned. Where is your evidence of absence? You have none.

Sorry, I was wrong...there WAS lamb at the last supper! It was Yeshua HIMSELF!

 

[HARK!]

So under the "Zadokite" calendar, Yeshua was killed on Tuesday the 14th and was buried before sunset? So He was in the grave the 15th (a Wednesday...1st of unleavened), 16th (a Thursday) and 17th (a Friday). So the resurrection was Friday after sunset (early on the Sabbath)?? So when was Yom HaBikkurrim? On the 16th or the 19th??

That doesn't work. Remember we are dealing with two different calendars in this postulate. It would stand to reason that if Yahshua was using the Zadokite calendar (Why would he use a calendar that didn't conform the the Book of Enoch, nor the Book of Jubilees, and adopt the calendar of the Pharisees who rejected those books?) ; and the Pharisees were using their calendar; that the Zadokite calendar would be ahead of the Pharisee calendar in the year of Yahshua's death.

You'll need to specify what calendar you are referring to at any given point in time.

A good place to start might be when the day begins.

 

[HARK!]

Because, just as the source you gave, it also discusses all of this...

Did you read that whole chapter by Rachel Elior?

 

[HARK!]

I am asking you...it is a yes or no answer...

It's not that simple. You'll need to specifically site the verses that are in question.

Maybe I can save you some time searching scripture. I'll make my myself a little more clear this time. Do you believe that Yahshua was compelled by YHWH to submit to imposters posing as the rightful Priesthood?

 

[HARK!]

Jesus was crucified on the sixth day ... a Friday ...

Proof?

 

[honey badger]

Proof?

He having gone to Pilate, asked for the body of Jesus. And having taken it down, he wrapped it in a linen cloth and placed it in a tomb cut in a rock, in which no one yet had been laid. And it was the Day of Preparation, and Sabbath was just beginning.

Therefore the Jews, because it was the Preparation, so that bodies would not remain on the cross on the Sabbath--for that Sabbath was a high day--asked Pilate that their legs might be broken and they might be taken away.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

That doesn't work. Remember we are dealing with two different calendars in this postulate. It would stand to reason that if Yahshua was using the Zadokite calendar (Why would he use a calendar that didn't conform the the Book of Enoch, nor the Book of Jubilees, and adopt the calendar of the Pharisees who rejected those books?) ; and the Pharisees were using their calendar; that the Zadokite calendar would be ahead of the Pharisee calendar in the year of Yahshua's death.

You'll need to specify what calendar you are referring to at any given point in time.

A good place to start might be when the day begins.

Nisan 1 would be on a Wednesday, right, according to the Zadokite calendar? The 14th would be on a Tuesday...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

It's not that simple. You'll need to specifically site the verses that are in question.

Maybe I can save you some time searching scripture. I'll make my myself a little more clear this time. Do you believe that Yahshua was compelled by YHWH to submit to imposters posing as the rightful Priesthood?

That is like asking someone if they stopped hitting their wife yet LOL! My question was regarding Pesakh in Leviticus and Deuteronomy vs Exodus...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Did you read that whole chapter by Rachel Elior?

Yes. Have you read Roots of Rabbinic Judaism? Maybe you should? It is yet another source...

 

[guevaraj]

Its a really strange translation. Mia ton sabbaton in Greek is not "one of the sabbaths", but "the first day of the week".

Brother, no translation has understood the "expression" of God: "the first of the Sabbaths". It does not refer to Sunday but to Saturday being the first Sabbath, another way of referring to the seventh day of the creation week. This is necessary because the Sabbath redefined the week in the Promised Land as shown in the OP's first passage quoted. The Sabbath in the Promised Land falls and takes halves between Friday and Saturday, so you only get half of a Friday and half of a Saturday in the Promised Land, with a Sabbath taking halves between those two days, giving us the following order: Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Sabbath, and Saturday, the Sabbath being an eighth division in the seven-day week.

How Many Evenings are in a Day?

The "evening" that is not mentioned in the first passage ending the Sabbath in the Promised Land is part of a full 24-hour Saturday, as shown in the first verse quoted where God uses an "expression" that was not previously understood: "the first of the Sabbaths". This "expression" refers to the first Sabbath of creation week or another way of saying the seventh day of the week that we call Saturday. I will use Saturday for the seventh day as different from the Sabbath, which is separate from the seventh day in the Promised Land, to correct the translation of this "expression" of God. Here, "as it downs beyond Saturday" refers to the end of the second half of Saturday, the night half from evening to morning, where Jesus rose on a Saturday night after the Sabbath in the Promised Land and before the morning begins Sunday, as the days of creation are corrected from human tradition since Joshua in Hebrews 3 and 4. In conclusion, the "evening" falls in the middle of the creation days, giving us only one "evening" per creation day.

long after the Sabbath, as it downs beyond Saturday, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary, to see the tomb. (Mathew 28:1, my own translation)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Brian Mcnamee]

This doesn't answer the question. I'd like to keep this thread on topic.

Hi look up the Jewish calendar and you will see that besides having the weekly Sabbath some of the feast days are also Sabbaths. So you can have multiple days of Sabbath in a row. I have not looked into this in a long time but Passover was a Sabbath and the next day is the feast of unleavened bread and the resurrection day I believe is the feast of 1st fruits. Anyways the explanation is along these lines and I do not have time to research it again.

 

[eleos1954]

Are you asking this question? "Does the evening come before the daylight or after the daylight?"

Don't think it is geared to 24-hours .... rather .... sundown/sunset

Using Genesis it would be evening comes before daylight.

"And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night: and the evening and the morning were the first day."