How Many Evenings are in a Day?

[HTacianas]

That's the Pharisee calendar. The Zadokite calendar is independent of the lunar cycle. There were multiple calendars in use at the time that Yahshua walked the earth. I suspect that Yahshua was adhering to the Zadokite calendar, as he began his ministry at Betharaba, where the Zadokites were expecting him and Yochanan the Immerser. Multiple calendars might explain some of the seeming discrepancies in the accounts leading up to his death, and shortly thereafter.

"There is an apparent discrepancy in the Evangelists' accounts, between John's Gospel on the one hand, and what on the other Mathew, Mark and Luke tell us."

5 April 2007: Mass of the Lord's Supper | BENEDICT XVI

 

[DamianWarS]

I'm not sure which direction it is going. This is a fact finding mission. It seems that the more that I find answers, as I seek out the truth, the more questions I am left with.

the answer to the question in the title isolated is there is 1 evening to a day which is the obvious natural answer. how that relates to the verses you posted I'm not sure because you haven't made it clear.

 

[HARK!]

"There is an apparent discrepancy in the Evangelists' accounts, between John's Gospel on the one hand, and what on the other Mathew, Mark and Luke tell us."

As being Torah observant, I see numerous perplexing issues. Here is just one. Did Yahshua eat the passover or not? If so, why did they need to get him off the stake before the coming Passover meal?

If Yahshua and his disciples were following the Zadokite calendar, and ate the Pesach accordingly; and the Pharisees were following the Pharisee calendar; this is easily explained.

Some other issues that I have found confusing all make sense if there are two different calendars being spoken of here. As the Zadokite calendar places the Pesach on the same day every year, Yaushua's prophecy regarding the sign of Jonah, could also work out perfectly.

 

[HTacianas]

As being Torah observant, I see numerous perplexing issues. Here is just one. Did Yahshua eat the passover or not? If so, why did they need to get him off the stake before the coming Passover meal?

If Yahshua and his disciples were following the Zadokite calendar, and ate the Pesach accordingly; and the Pharisees were following the Pharisee calendar; this is easily explained.

Some other issues that I have found confusing all make sense if there are two different calendars being spoken of here. As the Zadokite calendar places the Pesach on the same day every year, Yaushua's prophecy regarding the sign of Jonah, could also work out perfectly.

That's the idea BXVI had. Myself also. It may well be impossible to determine to the precise day.

What's with the prophecy of Jonah?

 

[HARK!]

That's the idea BXVI had.

That's interesting. I'd like to read his work on this subject, especially if you can quickly point me to it.

It may well be impossible to determine to the precise day.

Again, it's the same day every year.

Here is how the beginning of the year is calculated by the Zadokite calendar. Start with the Spring Equinox. Then wait for the first day of the week (Sunday) in the unchanging 7 day cycle. Then go to Genesis to review when the great sign for seasons was created. This was on the fourth day (Wednesday) ; so the new year always begins on the fourth day (Wednesday) from the first day of the week (Sunday) , after the Spring Equinox. Since Pesach is on the 14th day of the year; it's always on the third day of the week (Tuesday) ; and the first day of Hag Matzot is always of the fourth day of the week (Wednesday).

What's with the prophecy of Jonah?

Three days and three nights in the earth.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

As being Torah observant, I see numerous perplexing issues. Here is just one. Did Yahshua eat the passover or not? If so, why did they need to get him off the stake before the coming Passover meal?

If Yahshua and his disciples were following the Zadokite calendar, and ate the Pesach accordingly; and the Pharisees were following the Pharisee calendar; this is easily explained.

WHY was there no mention of lamb?

We have been through this all before. Who killed the lamb for Him and His disciples, the Zadokite priests? WHY was there not even one mention of lamb at the table??? Why did He not use Lamb for His body, but bread? Were there any woman mentioned at the last supper?

 

[HTacianas]

That's interesting. I'd like to read his work on this subject, especially if you can quickly point me to it.



Again, it's the same day every year.

Here is how the beginning of the year is calculated by the Zadokite calendar. Start with the Spring Equinox. Then wait for the first day of the week (Sunday) in the unchanging 7 day cycle. Then go to Genesis to review when the great sign for seasons was created. This was on the fourth day (Wednesday) ; so the new year always begins on the fourth day (Wednesday) from the first day of the week (Sunday) , after the Spring Equinox. Since Pesach is on the 14th day of the year; it's always on the third day of the week (Tuesday) ; and the first day of Hag Matzot is always of the fourth day of the week (Wednesday).



Three days and three nights in the earth.

You're right that it is the same day, but as you said above, based on whose calendar?

The "three days and three nights" is a known emendation to the text much like "son of Barachias" of Matthew 23:35. It most likely read For as Jonas was three days in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days in the heart of the earth. It could have also been even shorter, without mention of even three days.

 

[daq]

As being Torah observant, I see numerous perplexing issues. Here is just one. Did Yahshua eat the passover or not? If so, why did they need to get him off the stake before the coming Passover meal?

If Yahshua and his disciples were following the Zadokite calendar, and ate the Pesach accordingly; and the Pharisees were following the Pharisee calendar; this is easily explained.

Some other issues that I have found confusing all make sense if there are two different calendars being spoken of here. As the Zadokite calendar places the Pesach on the same day every year, Yaushua's prophecy regarding the sign of Jonah, could also work out perfectly.

Did you happen to notice where firstfruits falls on that Zadokite calendar? It is the morrow of the Shabbat following Matzot, (the 26th of Abib). Thus, as I said elsewhere recently, if you move 1 Abib forward to the Shabbat on that calendar, (instead of the fourth day of the week), everything works out perfectly.

Have you heard about "the Feast of the Messiah" celebrated in the Chabad Lubavitch movement? This is the final day of Matzot, the same day, (21 Abib), as the parting of "the Sea of the End", (same spelling but simply read as Yam Soph instead of Yam Suph, (Sea of Reeds)).

The Meal of Messiah

They missed this one too, (see Exodus 13:6). Moreover the custom of an atzeret-exodion-release, (one prisoner), was at the end of the feast, not the beginning.

 

[HARK!]

WHY was there no mention of lamb?

We have been through this all before. Who killed the lamb for Him and His disciples, the Zadokite priests? WHY was there not even one mention of lamb at the table??? Why did He not use Lamb for His body, but bread? Were there any woman mentioned at the last supper?

Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence.

(CLV) Ex 12:17
You will observe the instruction, for on this very day I will bring forth your hosts from the land of Egypt. And you will observe this day throughout your generations as an eonian statute. (This means forever)

(CLV) Ex 12:18
In the first month ion the fourteenth day of the month, in the evening, you shall eat unleavened bread until day twenty one of the month, in the evening.

(CLV) Ex 12:19
For seven days yeast shall not be found in your houses, for anyone eating leavened| bread, that soul will be cut off from the congregation of Israel, both among the sojourners and among the natives of the land.

(CLV) Ex 12:20
You shall not eat any leavened bread in all your dwellings; you shall eat unleavened bread.

(CLV) Ex 12:21
Moses called for all the elders of Israel and said to them: Draw out and take for yourselves from the flock for your families, and slay the passover.

Who slays the Passover?

 

[HARK!]

You're right that it is the same day, but as you said above, based on whose calendar?

The "three days and three nights" is a known emendation to the text much like "son of Barachias" of Matthew 23:35. It most likely read For as Jonas was three days in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days in the heart of the earth. It could have also been even shorter, without mention of even three days.

I take Yahshua at his word.

 

[HARK!]

Did you happen to notice where firstfruits falls on that Zadokite calendar? It is the morrow of the Shabbat following Matzot, (the 26th of Abib). Thus, as I said elsewhere recently, if you move 1 Abib forward to the Shabbat on that calendar, (instead of the fourth day of the week), everything works out perfectly.

Have you heard about "the Feast of the Messiah" celebrated in the Chabad Lubavitch movement? This is the final day of Matzot, the same day, (21 Abib), as the parting of "the Sea of the End", (same spelling but simply read as Yam Soph instead of Yam Suph, (Sea of Reeds)).

The Meal of Messiah

They missed this one too, (see Exodus 13:6). Moreover the custom of an atzeret-exodion-release, (one prisoner), was at the end of the feast, not the beginning.

I'm just digging into the Zadokite calendar. There is a lot to process. However I have long considered Jubilees to be Torah, and the 1st Book of Enoch to be scripture, as did Yahshua, his disciples, and the Zadokite Priesthood.

 

[honey badger]

(CLV) Mt 28:1
Now it is the evening of the sabbaths. At the lighting up into one of the sabbaths came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to behold the sepulcher.

(CLV) Jn 20:1
Now, on one of the sabbaths, Miriam Magdalene is coming to the tomb in the morning, there being still darkness, and is observing the stone taken away from the door of the tomb.

(CLV) Jn 20:19
It being, then, the evening of that day, one of the sabbaths, and the doors having been locked where the disciples were gathered together, because of fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in the midst and is saying to them, "Peace to you!"

one .... And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence.

(CLV) Ex 12:17
You will observe the instruction, for on this very day I will bring forth your hosts from the land of Egypt. And you will observe this day throughout your generations as an eonian statute. (This means forever)

(CLV) Ex 12:18
In the first month ion the fourteenth day of the month, in the evening, you shall eat unleavened bread until day twenty one of the month, in the evening.

(CLV) Ex 12:19
For seven days yeast shall not be found in your houses, for anyone eating leavened| bread, that soul will be cut off from the congregation of Israel, both among the sojourners and among the natives of the land.

(CLV) Ex 12:20
You shall not eat any leavened bread in all your dwellings; you shall eat unleavened bread.

(CLV) Ex 12:21
Moses called for all the elders of Israel and said to them: Draw out and take for yourselves from the flock for your families, and slay the passover.

Who slays the Passover?

Lack of many things (why were there no families there?) is pregnant with evidence! I know what the scriptures say. BTW, that was during the EXODUS, it was the actual event. Thereafter, it was a commemoration of the event. What does it say in Leviticus and Deuteronomy? Jerusalem...the Levitical priesthood...???

 

[HARK!]

Lack of many things (why were there no families there?) is pregnant with evidence! I know what the scriptures say. BTW, that was during the EXODUS. What does it say in Leviticus and Deuteronomy? Jerusalem...the levitical priesthood...???

Where does scripture say that no families were present?

The rightful Priesthood had been ousted; and there were imposters in their place. How does that fit in with your perspective?

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

The rightful Priesthood had been ousted; and there were imposters in their place. How does that fit in with your perspective?

They were not ousted, they left (if you are implying the Essenes). But again, none of that matters. What about the 1st Temple period?? How does that fit into YOUR perspective? Sadducees?

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Where does scripture say that no families were present?

Exactly, that was my point...they weren't mentioned and neither was lamb (the most important item for Pesakh)...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

The rightful Priesthood had been ousted; and there were imposters in their place. How does that fit in with your perspective?

Have you read "Roots of Rabbinic Judaism"??

 

[HARK!]

They were not ousted

https://pluto.huji.ac.il/~mselio/Ancient-Jewish.pdf

 

[HARK!]

Have you read "Roots of Rabbinic Judaism"??

No; but I'm aware of its' roots. How is this relevant?

 

[HARK!]

Exactly, that was my point...they weren't mentioned and neither was lamb (the most important item for Pesakh)...

Lots of things weren't mentioned. Where is your evidence of absence? You have none.