How many agree with this

[ScottBot]

Yeah, like it shares it's secret knowledge of dogmas that have no origination with the Apostles but are known by the Roman magesterium only.

All Rome needs to validate anything it so chooses is for the secret knowledge of the magesterium to say, "It is so".

You really need to study more.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

It is Pope John Paul II's declaration that the Church has no authority to ordain women to the ministerial priesthood.

OH!


You mean this?!
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/j...i_apl_22051994_ordinatio-sacerdotalis_en.html

 

[ScottBot]

So the Roman theory goes.

The Apostles never taught any papal or Roman magesterial "infallibility" nor did the early church.

It was the invention of Rome during the Dark Ages.

Jesus taught it.

 

[chestertonrules]

Then renounce the theory of infallibility.

It's not a theory, it's a promise from Jesus.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

So the Roman theory goes.

The Apostles never taught any papal or Roman magesterial "infallibility" nor did the early church.

It was the invention of Rome during the Dark Ages.

Actually they did...

When they saw Rome as the hub for the teachings of the Church they saw them as having the Infallible Truth.

It is connected to the Church being Apostolic and that it has the Keys og the Kingdom as well as the guarantee fron Christ that the Paraclete with help with recalling the the teachings and two that the church will stand against the Gates of Hell.

If the teachings ever were fallible then the Church would have fallen to the Gates of Hell and the Paraclete would not have done it's part and then Jesus would not be God and you would be with out salvation.

 

[Rick Otto]

There have been two times a Pope has decalred something infallibly from the Chair of Peter and they were the Assumption and Immaculate Conception. Both of these were without a doubt Ex-Cathedra.

Then everything else isn't infallible?
How does the Magesterium remain pure, if what it teaches (besides the IC & the Assumption) is the only thing it can be sure of? Is there another source of infallable info?

 

[TraderJack]

Originally Posted by TraderJack
So the Roman theory goes.

The Apostles never taught any papal or Roman magesterial "infallibility" nor did the early church.

It was the invention of Rome during the Dark Ages.

Actually they did...

When they saw Rome as the hub for the teachings of the Church they saw them as having the Infallible Truth.

PROVE IT!

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Ordinatio Sacerdotalis is considered ex cathedra as well.

You mean the Pope spoke Infallibly?

Or that this is an Apostolic Letter which has to be adhered to and it is supported by the Magesterium?

 

[TraderJack]

Jesus taught it.

Wrong!

 

[ScottBot]

You mean the Pope spoke Infallibly?

Or that this is an Apostolic Letter which has to be adhered to and it is supported by the Magesterium?

Door number 2

 

[ScottBot]

Wrong!

According to you.

 

[chestertonrules]

Then everything else isn't infallible?
How does the Magesterium remain pure, if what it teaches (besides the IC & the Assumption) is the only thing it can be sure of? Is there another source of infallable info?

From the Catechism:


890 The mission of the Magisterium is linked to the definitive nature of the covenant established by God with his people in Christ. It is this Magisterium's task to preserve God's people from deviations and defections and to guarantee them the objective possibility of professing the true faith without error. Thus, the pastoral duty of the Magisterium is aimed at seeing to it that the People of God abides in the truth that liberates. To fulfill this service, Christ endowed the Church's shepherds with the charism of infallibility in matters of faith and morals. The exercise of this charism takes several forms: 891 "The Roman Pontiff, head of the college of bishops, enjoys this infallibility in virtue of his office, when, as supreme pastor and teacher of all the faithful - who confirms his brethren in the faith he proclaims by a definitive act a doctrine pertaining to faith or morals.... The infallibility promised to the Church is also present in the body of bishops when, together with Peter's successor, they exercise the supreme Magisterium," above all in an Ecumenical Council.418 When the Church through its supreme Magisterium proposes a doctrine "for belief as being divinely revealed,"419 and as the teaching of Christ, the definitions "must be adhered to with the obedience of faith."420 This infallibility extends as far as the deposit of divine Revelation itself.421


Clearly, this includes the bible, which was compiled and preserved by the magisterium.

 

[Melethiel]

Stop acting like children.
I want to see some real posts here.

I'm going to start hitting the delete button in about 15 minutes, but it would be better if you go and remove your own posts if they are pointless.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

PROVE IT!

That is EASY.

2,000 years of history and records that prove the Roman Catholic Church is the hub of Christianity and where the Steward of Jesus' Kingdom sits with the Keys of the Kingdom on his shoulder as proof of his Authority here. This means that ALL Christendom is under his authority by the power of Jesus Christ himself.

Like I said EASY.

 

[PassthePeace1]

Jack where did you catch your Dolphin Fish/Droado? Did you eat him? What do they taste like? And don't say chicken..

 

[chestertonrules]

17Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven. 18And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. 19I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."


And Paul's confirmation:

1 Timothy 3:15
if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God's household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Door number 2

Yes...

I was speaking on Infallibility earlier. Sorry if I caused confusion.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

That is EASY.

2,000 years of history and records that prove the Roman Catholic Church is the hub of Christianity and where the Steward of Jesus' Kingdom sits with the Keys of the Kingdom on his shoulder as proof of his Authority here. This means that ALL Christendom is under his authority by the power of Jesus Christ himself.

Like I said EASY.

Do you normally fantasize like this often

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Jack where did you catch your Dolphin Fish/Droado? Did you eat him? What do they taste like? And don't say chicken..

Tastes like maui maui. LOL

It was in St Croix or rather by St Croix since we were on the water... he he he.

I went with my father and brother in law and we each caught one. We had to buy the one we kept (that was part of the charter deal) and we barbequed it. Bad move... the restaurant does a better job of cookin dolphin then my old man.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Do you normally fantasize like this often

My fantasies usually lead me to confession and involve beautiful women that lust for my body.