How Long was Adam in the Garden?

[HARK!]

No, they were not!!

Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

If they had stayed in the garden, with the tree oi life, they would have stayed immortal in sin.

After the resurrection we are again given access to the Tree of Life:

Rev_2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
Rev_22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
Rev_22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Immortality is a gift from God, not a right of birth!!

Rom_6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

There is no way that Satan would have wasted any time in tempting them to fall. It doesn't say how long they were there.
Not every single species of animal had been created---but each classification of animals. Not every species of Cat---but a male and female of a cat, micro evolution would do the rest. Like when Noah had the animals taken into the ark---they were the parent of the species---not every single species. Noah didn't need 30 different kinds of dogs--just wolves. Microevolution then would create all the different types of dogs. Irish Wolfhounds to Chihuahuas all come from wolves.

So are you asserting that Adam would have died; regardless of whether or not he would have eaten of 'the tree of of knowledge of good and evil'?

 

[mmksparbud]

So are you asserting that Adam would have died; regardless of whether or not he would have eaten of 'the tree of of knowledge of good and evil'?

Absolutely not! They would have remained immortal if they had not sinned for they would have had access to the tree of life. As we will have. Immortality is a gift from God.

 

[miamited]

Can't really put an exact number on it .... but don't think it was very long ...

Adam and Eve had been commanded by God to “be fruitful and multiply, and fill the Earth” (Genesis 1:28). Upon marrying, Moses recounts God’s command for husband and wife: “a man shall…be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh” (2:24). If Adam and Eve had refused to do so, they would have been disobeying God and, therefore, sinning.

We can, therefore, assume that Adam and Eve were obeying God, since their first sins were tied to eating from the forbidden Tree, not from disobeying God’s command regarding procreation.

Since Adam and Eve did not conceive a child until after their eviction from the Garden, it stands to reason that they were not even in the Garden long enough to do so.

Hi eleos,

I have long agreed with that understanding. There is one other clue that we find that would also ascribe a short time period for their lives in the garden. The Scriptures account that Adam was 130 when Seth was born to Eve. Now, some claim that the time living in the garden wouldn't have been counted in years, but I honestly don't see why not. The earth revolved and the sun rose and set. Days were counted. Would Adam know that a year had passed? Maybe not, but then Adam didn't write the Scriptures.

God bless,
In Christ, ted

 

[-57]

Absolutely not! They would have remained immortal if they had not sinned for they would have had access to the tree of life. As we will have. Immortality is a gift from God.

Prior th the fall A&E would have lived forever.

Will people in heaven...post reserrection...need to eat from the TOL to remain alive?

 

[eleos1954]

Prior th the fall A&E would have lived forever.

Will people in heaven...post reserrection...need to eat from the TOL to remain alive?

perhaps so ... Revelation 22

The River of Life

1Then the angel showed me a river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2down the middle of the main street of the city. On either side of the river stood a tree of life, bearing twelve kinds of fruit and yielding a fresh crop for each month.

And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations.3No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be within the city, and His servants will worship Him. 4They will see His face, and His name will be on their foreheads. 5There will be no more night in the city, and they will have no need for the light of a lamp or of the sun. For the Lord God will shine on them, and they will reign forever and ever.

metaphorical .... literal .... both ??? Personally, I believe both.

Jesus stated that He would one day eat again with His followers: "Truly, I say to you, I will not drink again of the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new in the kingdom of God" (Mark 14:25).

The resurrected Jesus ate: "They gave him a piece of broiled fish, and he took it and ate before them" (Luke 24:42-43). Jesus also seems to have eaten in John 21:4-14. This does not mean all people will eat in heaven, but at least shows that Jesus ate after His resurrection.

 

[mmksparbud]

Prior th the fall A&E would have lived forever.

Will people in heaven...post reserrection...need to eat from the TOL to remain alive?

Rev_2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
Rev_22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
Rev_22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

 

[coffee4u]

Absolutely not! They would have remained immortal if they had not sinned for they would have had access to the tree of life. As we will have. Immortality is a gift from God.

I disagree, they did not have to eat from the tree of life before the fall. If eating from the tree was how they prevented dying then death was already there but was only being held back by eating from that tree. Yet the bible says there was no death prior to sin so there was no need to 'hold it back'. It was sin itself that brought in death.
Romans 5:12
Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned-

Where there was no sin there was no death, so no death meant not having to prevent it. If you are holding something back and preventing it by doing X then that thing is already with you.
It was because sin brought in death, death meaning the ageing process as well as the ability to die that the tree could have been used for them to live forever. Before that they didn't need it.

 

[mmksparbud]

I disagree, they did not have to eat from the tree of life before the fall. If eating from the tree was how they prevented dying then death was already there but was only being held back by eating from that tree. Yet the bible says there was no death prior to sin so there was no need to 'hold it back'. It was sin itself that brought in death.
Romans 5:12
Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned-

Where there was no sin there was no death, so no death meant not having to prevent it. If you are holding something back and preventing it by doing X then that thing is already with you.
It was because sin brought in death, death meaning the ageing process as well as the ability to die that the tree could have been used for them to live forever. Before that they didn't need it.

Just quoting scripture.
Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Gen 3:23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
There had been no death prior to the fall.

 

[coffee4u]

Just quoting scripture.
Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Gen 3:23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
There had been no death prior to the fall.

Yes and I agree with that scripture because it came after they sinned.
We are talking about before. The Bible says that sin brought in death. There was no death (Biblical death refers to things with a soul) before sin.

 

[-57]

perhaps so ... Revelation 22

The River of Life

1Then the angel showed me a river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2down the middle of the main street of the city. On either side of the river stood a tree of life, bearing twelve kinds of fruit and yielding a fresh crop for each month.

And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations.3No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be within the city, and His servants will worship Him. 4They will see His face, and His name will be on their foreheads. 5There will be no more night in the city, and they will have no need for the light of a lamp or of the sun. For the Lord God will shine on them, and they will reign forever and ever.

metaphorical .... literal .... both ??? Personally, I believe both.

Jesus stated that He would one day eat again with His followers: "Truly, I say to you, I will not drink again of the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new in the kingdom of God" (Mark 14:25).

The resurrected Jesus ate: "They gave him a piece of broiled fish, and he took it and ate before them" (Luke 24:42-43). Jesus also seems to have eaten in John 21:4-14. This does not mean all people will eat in heaven, but at least shows that Jesus ate after His resurrection.

If you don't eat from the tree in heaven and die...what happens to you?

 

[-57]

Rev_2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
Rev_22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
Rev_22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Same as above.....If you don't eat from the tree in heaven and die...what happens to you?

 

[-57]

I disagree, they did not have to eat from the tree of life before the fall. If eating from the tree was how they prevented dying then death was already there but was only being held back by eating from that tree. Yet the bible says there was no death prior to sin so there was no need to 'hold it back'. It was sin itself that brought in death.
Romans 5:12
Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned-

Where there was no sin there was no death, so no death meant not having to prevent it. If you are holding something back and preventing it by doing X then that thing is already with you.
It was because sin brought in death, death meaning the ageing process as well as the ability to die that the tree could have been used for them to live forever. Before that they didn't need it.

I think intention might be in play here.

It wasn't the fruit that causes the fall but rather the intentions of Adam and Eve...the actual act of disobedience.

You might be able to say the same for the Tree of Life.

A&E could eat from any tree except for one tree. If they were in the garden for any great amount of time I would think they ate from the tree of life. Why not?

Like most I find I can't be dogmatic on this issue and more studying and thinking is required.

 

[Stephen P]

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[-57]

Creation Day 6
Gen1 V24: "RMT: and Elohiym said, the land will bring out living souls to her kind, beasts and treaders and living ones[9] of the land to her kind, and he existed so"
Gen1 V31: "RMT: and Elohiym saw all which he made, and look, it is very functional, and evening existed and morning existed, a sixth day"

Gen2 V2: "RMT: and Elohiym finished in the seventh day his business which he did, and he ceased in the seventh day from all his business which he did,"
Gen2 V3: "RMT: and Elohiym exalted the seventh day and he set him apart, given that in him he ceased from all of his business which Elohiym shaped to make."
~~~~~~~~~~~ End of Creation ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Adam Molded AFTER Creation.. not "brought out".
Gen2 V7: "RMT: and YHWH the Elohiym molded the human of dirt from the ground and he exhaled in his nostrils a breath of life and the human existed for a living soul,"
Naming, AFTER Creation.
Gen2 V20: "RMT: and the human called out the titles to all the beasts and to the flyers of the skies, and to all the living ones of the field, but for the human he did not find a helper as his opposite"

Once again I have to ask...where does it say Adam named each and every species?

There could've been a dozen different species of birds flying over Adam or perching in the trees....and All Adam had to do was say...they are birds.

Some people make the error of having Adam name every single species to either discredit Genesis or fit it into Old Earth theology.

 

[Stephen P]

I think intention might be in play here.

It wasn't the fruit that causes the fall but rather the intentions of Adam and Eve...the actual act of disobedience.

You might be able to say the same for the Tree of Life.

A&E could eat from any tree except for one tree. If they were in the garden for any great amount of time I would think they ate from the tree of life. Why not?

Like most I find I can't be dogmatic on this issue and more studying and thinking is required.

"-57", possibly some of the considerations to look at?
Note the order :
To ADAM
G2: V17 RMT: but from the tree of discernment of function and dysfunction you will not eat from him, given that in the day you eat from him you will surely die,
Eve made
G2 V22 RMT: and YHWH the Elohiym built the rib which he took from the human for a woman, and he brought her to the human,
Therefore it was up to Adam to explain to Eve how important it was not to eat.
God never told Eve directly; Eve got her instructions from a man.

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Interesting scenario -- I saw this one years ago..

Adam and Eve listen to the Serpent, but believed God "We will die if we eat from the tree of discernment"
Simple says Adam, who eats:
- FIRST from the tree of life,
- THEN eats from the tree of discernment.
IF God had reacted immediately after the first tree, then A&E would be immortal.. not a bad prize, and they were only warned about the tree of life, so then this means that they were not disobedient in eating from the tree of life.
But that doesn't really make sense.

A&E were only banned from The tree of "discernment of function and dysfunction" (discernment of order and chaos) not the tree of life.

SO +1 ["-57"'s suggestion] Does this mean that A&E DID eat regularly from the tree of life BEFORE the Fall, and only AFTER the Fall when their bodies started to die, did God hide the Tree of Life?

SO +2. Did A&E started dying when the Tree of Life was hidden and they could not rejuvenate their life, NOT when they Fell?
Then the Serpent was perfectly correct, The TREE OF DISCERNMENT would not kill them.
The removal of the Tree of Life due to eating from the Tree of Discernment DID kill them.
So this one makes sense to me, especially linked in with end days, below.

OR Did A&E's Immortal bodies start dying after the Fall, and the Tree of Life was just there for artistic purposes? (I think not, but I put the possibility in)

I really like something that starts 1,2,3,4 then there should be 4,3,2,1 to finish so that there is a balance.
If we consider the End as being the "New Beginning /restart" then;
IF the Tree of Life was never used in Eden, then it would never be used in the "New Beginning"
personally, looking at the summary, I feel that Revelation 2:7
“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the church. To him who overcomes, I will give to eat from the tree of life, which is in the midst of the Paradise of God.”
has the Tree of Life.
So logically therefore, I agree with "-57" it was always there to feed from until the Fall.

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River of Life Revelation 22:1 "And he showed me a river of water of life, bright as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb"
So going backwards this time, Rev--->Gen we get to the River flowing out of Eden.
G2:10 RMT: "and a river was going out from Eden to make the garden drink, and from there he will be divided apart existing to four heads."
So again we have a balance, tree to tree, river to river.
S.

 

[Stephen P]

Once again I have to ask...where does it say Adam named each and every species?

There could've been a dozen different species of birds flying over Adam or perching in the trees....and All Adam had to do was say...they are birds.

Some people make the error of having Adam name every single species to either discredit Genesis or fit it into Old Earth theology.

Umm in my post??
"all the beasts and to the flyers of the skies, and to all the living ones of the field,"

G1 And G2 repeat themselves a bit.... give us a second to order them..

 

[-57]

SO +2. Did A&E started dying when the Tree of Life was hidden and they could not rejuvenate their life, NOT when they Fell?
Then the Serpent was perfectly correct, The TREE OF DISCERNMENT would not kill them.
The removal of the Tree of Life due to eating from the Tree of Discernment DID kill them.
So this one makes sense to me, especially linked in with end days, below.

Interesting thought.

It sounds like you are saying the ToL had properties in the fruit to prevent aging and such... much like an orange tree provides people with vitamin C and prevents scurvy.
That is when the sailors were removed from the vitamin C source they became sick. Much like A&E being removed from the ToL they began to die.

As I said that sounds interesting but what if A&E or their future progeny like the sailors left the source, the garden? It seems to me they would eventually begin to die and eventually die.

 

[-57]

Umm in my post??
"all the beasts and to the flyers of the skies, and to all the living ones of the field,"

G1 And G2 repeat themselves a bit.... give us a second to order them..

The flyers of the skies....those are birds, those are bats, those are bugs, those are pterodactyl...etc.

We talk in the same way...did you go to the zoo and see all the cats? Did you see all the snakes? There is no need to say did you see the tigers, lions, cougars etc. Or did you see the rattlesnakes, corn snakes, cobras etc.

 

[Stephen P]

Now placed in here:
Genesis-Beings, Beasts and Leviathan

So it is aside from the general context of the LENGTH OF TIME in Eden.
I still think that addressing this will set the periods vs man's interpretation of History and allow at least an order, if not a measurement of time, since Science is the only way we can measure ancient historical time..
Cheers
s

 

[Stephen P]

Interesting thought.

It sounds like you are saying the ToL had properties in the fruit to prevent aging and such... much like an orange tree provides people with vitamin C and prevents scurvy.
That is when the sailors were removed from the vitamin C source they became sick. Much like A&E being removed from the ToL they began to die.

As I said that sounds interesting but what if A&E or their future progeny like the sailors left the source, the garden? It seems to me they would eventually begin to die and eventually die.

Which is an interesting scenario because of course, A&E WERE thrown out of the garden and the Garden was hidden.

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