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I am intent on not believing in a literal thousand year reign on earth because the Bible says it's not going to happen.

There is no doubt that the Bible talk about a physical reign of Jesus here on the Earth at His return.At His return Jesus will judge the nations and rule them with an iron scepter.

Psalms 2:7-11 This is the decree of Y’hovah: You are My Son, I am Your Father, I will give You the EARTH as Your domain. You will judge the nations and rule them with an iron scepter. Be mindful then you rulers and take warning; that you pay due homage to the King of the World, lest he become angry and you will be struck down, for His wrath can flare up in a moment.
Happy are all who take refuge in Him!

Revelation 19:11-15
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
 
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Absolutely. But things He removes during the thousand years includes pain in childbirth, animals' fear of men, animals' carnivorous diets. People are capable of living long lives again (dying at 100 is considered a curse). He also removes the training for war and heals the seas and the rest of the earth. People have the opportunity to enjoy a visible relationship with God and peace with each other (no more training for war). While humans would still have a sin nature, during those thousand years Satan won't be permitted to attempt to deceive them (only afterwards).

See Psalms 2, Psalms 72, Isaiah 2, Isaiah 11, Isaiah 65, Ezekiel 47, Ezekiel 48, Zechariah 14.

Death is completely gone only by Revelation chapter 21, when there's the new heavens and the new earth (the first heavens and the first earth having passed away) and the enemies of God are in the Lake of Fire. There is no more sea, and in the resurrection there's no more marriage either (thus, no childbirth) (Matthew 22:23-33).

You have got a problem with Isaiah chapter 65...


Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

Isa 65:18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.

Isa 65:19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying. (This is the New Jerusalem, which is in the New Heavens and the New Earth, not the one in this world.)

Some of the text you are describing is "after" the new heavens and the new earth, where the prophet is attempting to describe life similar to what was in the garden, before the fall.

You cannot have "no crying" and death at the same time.

We see again that your interpretation is producing tremendous conflict and therefore cannot be correct.
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You have got a problem with Isaiah chapter 65...


Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

Isa 65:18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.

Isa 65:19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying. (This is the New Jerusalem, which is in the New Heavens and the New Earth, not the one in this world.)

Some of the text you are describing is "after" the new heavens and the new earth, where the prophet is attempting to describe life similar to what was in the garden, before the fall.

You cannot have "no crying" and death at the same time.

We see again that your interpretation is producing tremendous conflict and therefore cannot be correct.
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No, sir. See, Isaiah 65 includes childbirth and death so it's not the same new heavens and new earth as Revelation 21.

Isaiah 65:18-23
18 But be glad and rejoice forever in what I create;
For behold, I create Jerusalem as a rejoicing,
And her people a joy.
19 I will rejoice in Jerusalem,
And joy in My people;
The voice of weeping shall no longer be heard in her,
Nor the voice of crying.
20 “No more shall an infant from there live but a few days,
Nor an old man who has not fulfilled his days;
For the child shall die one hundred years old,
But the sinner being one hundred years old shall be accursed.

21 They shall build houses and inhabit them;
They shall plant vineyards and eat their fruit.
22 They shall not build and another inhabit;
They shall not plant and another eat;
For as the days of a tree, so shall be the days of My people,
And My elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
23 They shall not labor in vain,
Nor bring forth children for trouble;
For they shall be the descendants of the blessed of the Lord,
And their offspring with them.
 
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There is no doubt that the Bible talk about a physical reign of Jesus here on the Earth at His return.At His return Jesus will judge the nations and rule them with an iron scepter.

Psalms 2:9-11 This is the decree of Y’hovah: You are My Son, I am Your Father, I will give You the EARTH as Your domain. You will judge the nations and rule them with an iron scepter. Be mindful then you rulers and take warning; that you pay due homage to the King of the World, lest he become angry and you will be struck down, for His wrath can flare up in a moment.
Happy are all who take refuge in Him!

Revelation 19:11-15
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Thank you. That's a great point! And now with that in mind, read this following verse and see how they fit together.

Matthew 28:18
Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.

In this passage Jesus tells us that he was given all authority on earth (as well as heaven). Not only that but he immediately began exercising his authority through the disciples telling them to spread the gospel, baptize people and advance the kingdom of God by teaching them the word of God. He concludes by saying "I am with you always".

You see? He (the word of God) is already ruling over the earth (as well as heaven). It helps if you stop thinking of Jesus as a man, and start thinking of him as the word of God.

The part "he shall rule them with a rod of iron" sounds like a scary warning to all the unbelievers, but in actual fact, the word translated as "he shall rule them" is the Greek word "poimanei" which means to shepherd, specifically God's flock. He shepherds with a staff of authority, made of iron. Which means he has ultimate authority that can not be broken.

It follows the description of the two edged sword coming out of his mouth. This is obviously symbolic for the two edges of His word. The one edge which comforts those who accept Him (shepherds God's people), and the other edge which smites those who reject Him (smite the nations). The word of God has had this authority since He was resurrected from the dead, and He will still have this same authority when He returns, as we see in Revelation 19.

You're right that God said "I will make the nations your inheritance, the ends of the earth your possession." in Psalms chapter 2, and God kept that promise. That promise was fulfilled at the resurrection.

The word of God does not need to appear in physical form in order to rule. If that were the case, then how could he rule both heaven and earth? Would he have to go back and forth a lot? No. Stop expecting a man-king, as the Jews did. The word of God is our king and He rules today. And the doubled edged sword that it is, will either save you or condemn you.
 
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The meaning of words is the thing that makes one interpretation of scripture correct and another false.

Sometimes the meaning of one word can completely destroy or verify a Bible doctrine.

In the New Covenant (New Testament) the word "hour" is used 89 times and has tremendous implications in our understanding of the text.

Of those 89 occurrences of the English translation to the word "hour", the Greek word "hora" is used 86 times.

Multiple passages show the word to be a fraction of a day, just as we use the word today.

Below are a few examples...




Mat 20:3 And he went out about the third hour, and saw others standing idle in the marketplace,

Mat 20:5 Again he went out about the sixth and ninth hour, and did likewise.

Mat 20:6 And about the eleventh hour he went out, and found others standing idle, and saith unto them, Why stand ye here all the day idle?

Mat 26:40 And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour?

The purpose of this thread will be to consider the word "hour" or Greek "hora" and its implications on the interpretation of prophetic passages.
Sorry I didn't get in on this from the start.

Time is simply the form of media that God has chosen to convey His timeless truth: Time, nor any reference to time in the scriptures...is NOT...the subject of the scriptures...simply the vehicle.

Time, in and of itself, does not exist...it is a mere "creation", created to convey [history] His story.
 
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Do I have that correct?


No you do not have it correct. John was speaking "figuratively" in that verse. He was saying the Apocalypse had already begun. If you check Bible commentary on that, (I can suggest five sites, but Gill's Exposition, or Matthew Henry Bible Commentary will do for starters), you'll find they agree with that conclusion. So your "nonsensical" argument John was speaking literally or prophetically in 1 John 2:18 is completely in error and has nothing to do with what I posted.

I was talking about what an hour in the prophecy of Revelation 17:12 represents, not what John meant "figuratively" in 1 John 2:18. Perhaps you might actually learn something, if you spent more time studying the Bible and less time trying to devise clever arguments to discredit someone else.
 
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No, sir. See, Isaiah 65 includes childbirth and death so it's not the same new heavens and new earth as Revelation 21.

Isaiah 65:18-23
18 But be glad and rejoice forever in what I create;
For behold, I create Jerusalem as a rejoicing,
And her people a joy.
19 I will rejoice in Jerusalem,
And joy in My people;
The voice of weeping shall no longer be heard in her,
Nor the voice of crying.
20 “No more shall an infant from there live but a few days,
Nor an old man who has not fulfilled his days;
For the child shall die one hundred years old,
But the sinner being one hundred years old shall be accursed.

21 They shall build houses and inhabit them;
They shall plant vineyards and eat their fruit.
22 They shall not build and another inhabit;
They shall not plant and another eat;
For as the days of a tree, so shall be the days of My people,
And My elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
23 They shall not labor in vain,
Nor bring forth children for trouble;
For they shall be the descendants of the blessed of the Lord,
And their offspring with them.

How many New Heavens and New Earths are there?

So, there is no crying, but people are still dying...

Don't you see a problem here?

There is more likely to be a problem with the interpretation of this verse from the Hebrew.
The overall message of the passage seems to be showing an end of the curse.

It seems rather to be implying that none of these things will be occurring in the New Heavens and New Earth.

No more, infants dying, or people dying, or sinners being cursed...
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Ms. Luke 17:37, do you believe Christ is reigning now? If not, who is?

He's reigning in a spiritual sense in that He gives us power over sin (to reject sin and obey Him) but not physically in the way He will reign when He begins to dismantle the curse. God has permitted Satan a measure of power for now. Satan can't do anything without permission (Job 1), but he's still powerful.

Ephesians 6:11-12
11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.

So basically, Satan is on a leash, but he's the prince of the air and has been granted a certain amount of authority to oppose the saints, deceive, etc. Satan's current dominion will continue until the day Jesus returns in the flesh, when He will imprison Satan for a thousand years (Revelation 20:1-4). After that, he'll be released to try to deceive many (the millenium people will then be tested to see if their allegiance is with God or if they will rebel). Then Satan will be cast into the Lake of Fire forever (Revelation 20:10), followed by those not in Christ.

Matthew 13:41-42
41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
 
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How many New Heavens and New Earths are there?

So, there is no crying, but people are still dying...

Don't you see a problem here?

There is more likely to be a problem with the interpretation of this verse from the Hebrew.
The overall message of the passage seems to be showing an end of the curse.

It seems rather to be implying that none of these things will be occurring in the New Heavens and New Earth.

No more, infants dying, or people dying, or sinners being cursed...
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I see this as a millennial passage for the reasons I stated. You can see it different if you want to. That doesn't change the other passages I cited. The reality is there will be infants with their hands in snakes holes because the snakes will no longer injure them. There are no infants in the new heavens and new earth, when there is no more marriage or procreation. And there is no sea in the new heavens and the new earth (Revelation 21:1). Therefore, this can only be discussing the earthly reign of Jesus, when He will dial back the curse.

Isaiah 11:8-9
8 The nursing child will play by the hole of the cobra,
And the weaned child will put his hand on the viper’s den.
9 They will not hurt or destroy in all My holy mountain,
For the earth will be full of the knowledge of the Lord
As the waters cover the sea.
 
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Thank you. That's a great point! And now with that in mind, read this following verse and see how they fit together.

Matthew 28:18
Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.

In this passage Jesus tells us that he was given all authority on earth (as well as heaven). Not only that but he immediately began exercising his authority through the disciples telling them to spread the gospel, baptize people and advance the kingdom of God by teaching them the word of God. He concludes by saying "I am with you always".
The above verses that you refer are about the SPIRITUAL KINGDOM.....----Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,----

You have forget to include the last sentence ...---to the very end of the age.---

And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.

You see? He (the word of God) is already ruling over the earth (as well as heaven). It helps if you stop thinking of Jesus as a man, and start thinking of him as the word of God.

The part "he shall rule them with a rod of iron" sounds like a scary warning to all the unbelievers, but in actual fact, the word translated as "he shall rule them" is the Greek word "poimanei" which means to shepherd, specifically God's flock. He shepherds with a staff of authority, made of iron. Which means he has ultimate authority that can not be broken.

It follows the description of the two edged sword coming out of his mouth. This is obviously symbolic for the two edges of His word. The one edge which comforts those who accept Him (shepherds God's people), and the other edge which smites those who reject Him (smite the nations). The word of God has had this authority since He was resurrected from the dead, and He will still have this same authority when He returns, as we see in Revelation 19.

You're right that God said "I will make the nations your inheritance, the ends of the earth your possession." in Psalms chapter 2, and God kept that promise. That promise was fulfilled at the resurrection.

... Stop expecting a man-king, as the Jews did. The word of God is our king and He rules today. And the doubled edged sword that it is, will either save you or condemn you.
I am not expecting a man King....the Jews and nearly all the whole world will fall for a -man king- during the Trib.

The King i am expecting... which we know will -physically- come in power and glory to defeat His enemies after the Tribulation is described in Revelation 19
Revelation 19:11-21
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean
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19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.


The word of God does not need to appear in physical form in order to rule. If that were the case, then how could he rule both heaven and earth? Would he have to go back and forth a lot?
While Jesus will reign on the Earth God the Father is in Heaven keeping an eye on the Heaven's business....Below is the mission that Jesus will have to do when He will return on Earth ----//For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.----when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.---The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death....

1 Corinthians 15
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
 
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Hosea 5:14-6:3 is the only place I know of that suggests Jesus may come back roughly two thousand years after He left, if two days equals two thousand years. Day is obviously used in a poetic sense here, as opposed to other passages that are by context clearly ordinary days (the days of Genesis 1, the days of the global flood, Jonah's three days in the fish, Jesus' three days in the grave, etc.).
Hos 6:2 He doth revive us after two days, In the third day He doth raise us up, And we live before Him.

This is the only scripture in the OT that I know of that refers to two days and raised on the third day. Paul referred to such a scripture as referring to the Christ. Do you know of any other OT scripture Paul could be referring to?

1Co 15:3 for I delivered to you first, what also I did receive, that Christ died for our sins, according to the Writings,
1Co 15:4 and that he was buried, and that he hath risen on the third day, according to the Writings,

Revelation 20 is as clear as day. There will be a literal thousand year reign of Jesus between the bookends of the first and second resurrections.
Do you believe that people will be being born and dying during the millennium?
If the first resurrection is of the dead and before the millennium and the second resurrection is of those still alive at the end of the millennium, when are those who died during the millennium raised from the dead?
 
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Hos 6:2 He doth revive us after two days, In the third day He doth raise us up, And we live before Him.

This is the only scripture in the OT that I know of that refers to two days and raised on the third day. Paul referred to such a scripture as referring to the Christ. Do you know of any other OT scripture Paul could be referring to?

1Co 15:3 for I delivered to you first, what also I did receive, that Christ died for our sins, according to the Writings,
1Co 15:4 and that he was buried, and that he hath risen on the third day, according to the Writings,

Jonah was in the fish 3 days. Jesus owned that sign, too, whereas Hosea is talking about the Jews' unbelief and then revival before the second coming of Jesus.

Do you believe that people will be being born and dying during the millennium?
If the first resurrection is of the dead and before the millennium and the second resurrection is of those still alive at the end of the millennium, when are those who died during the millennium raised from the dead?

Yes, I believe people will be born and dying in the millennium. See Isaiah 11, for example, and Isaiah 65.

However, I don't believe the resurrected believers will have children... only the survivors of the nations (Zechariah 14:16-21). Jesus said that in the resurrection there's no marriage and by implication, procreation (Matthew 22:23-33).

Whoever dies in the millennium would be raised in the second resurrection (Revelation 20:11-15).
 
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But I thought you believed that the second resurrection was only for the wicked? I must have been confused.

Thanks for your response.

You're welcome.

Yes, I believe all those dead in Christ up until the return of Christ will be raised when He returns. If any righteous die during the millennium, they would be raised in the second resurrection alongside the wicked.
 
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You're welcome.

Yes, I believe all those dead in Christ up until the return of Christ will be raised when He returns. If any righteous die during the millennium, they would be raised in the second resurrection alongside the wicked.
Thanks for clearing that up. :)
 
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The above verses that you refer are about the SPIRITUAL KINGDOM.....
And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.
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I am not expecting a man King....the Jews and nearly all the whole world will fall for a -man king- during the Trib.

The King i am expecting... which we know will -physically- come in power and glory to defeat His enemies after the Tribulation is described in Revelation 19
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So in a nutshell, you're saying Jesus reigns spiritually now, to "the end of the age", but he will rule physically in the next age (which you believe to be the thousand years). Correct?

Yet, you say you're not expecting a man king. Are you not expecting Jesus to come back down in the form of a man and be our king? I'm confused. Or are you expecting Jesus to look like the description in Revelation? Are you expecting Jesus to literally have flaming eyes, with many crowns on his head, a robe dipped in blood, riding a white horse and having a sword coming out of his mouth?
 
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I see this as a millennial passage for the reasons I stated. You can see it different if you want to. That doesn't change the other passages I cited. The reality is there will be infants with their hands in snakes holes because the snakes will no longer injure them. There are no infants in the new heavens and new earth, when there is no more marriage or procreation. And there is no sea in the new heavens and the new earth (Revelation 21:1). Therefore, this can only be discussing the earthly reign of Jesus, when He will dial back the curse.

Isaiah 11:8-9
8 The nursing child will play by the hole of the cobra,
And the weaned child will put his hand on the viper’s den.
9 They will not hurt or destroy in all My holy mountain,
For the earth will be full of the knowledge of the Lord
As the waters cover the sea.

You are taking words out-of-context to make your viewpoint work.

Isaiah 11:9 does not say there will be a sea during this time.
It is using the word sea to describe how the earth will be covered by the knowledge of the Lord.

If I say I am going to eat my lunch like a hungry bear, that does not mean there is a bear in my neighborhood.

The earlier verses are clearly showing the curse is removed.
You cannot have a removal of the curse and death at the same time.

The prophet is attempting to describe a return to life, before the Fall.
 
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You are taking words out-of-context to make your viewpoint work.

Isaiah 11:9 does not say there will be a sea during this time.
It is using the word sea to describe how the earth will be covered by the knowledge of the Lord.

If I say I am going to eat my lunch like a hungry bear, that does not mean there is a bear in my neighborhood.

The earlier verses are clearly showing the curse is removed.
You cannot have a removal of the curse and death at the same time.

The prophet is attempting to describe a return to life, before the Fall.

I am not talking about the sea in Isaiah 11. I'm talking about the sea in Ezekiel 47. If you don't read all the passages I listed, you won't get a complete picture. And I just listed a few passages--not an exhaustive list.

I am not taking Scripture out of context.

In Ezekiel 47, when the world is healed and Israel has the borders God promised Abraham in Genesis 15, there is still a sea. In Revelation 21:1, there is no more sea. Therefore, they aren't describing the same thing.

You are trying to prove that there's no earthly reign of Jesus during the thousand years but I argue that you are taking Scripture out of context in order to proclaim that. I don't understand your strong resistance to a literal reign of Jesus after He returns to earth in bodily form. It seems like you make every conceivable excuse to reject it and I don't understand why.

-- Edit: Yes, I did say point out the the sea in Isaiah 11 (I forgot). But my main association with the sea is from Ezekiel 47. Regardless, I think this is saying knowledge of the Lord covers the earth just as water covers the sea (spiritual reality is as the physical reality). If the physical reality is not a physical reality, what would be the point of the comparison?
 
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When Revelation 21 says there is no more sea, it has nothing to do with a body of water. Why would there not be a body of water on the new earth? And why would the Bible boast about that as if it's something we look forward to? Are you looking forward to an earth without a large body of water? Why? That makes no sense.

No, the sea in Revelation 21 is a reference to evil. The sea has always been a metaphor for evil, (or the evil earth or evil people on the earth), both in scripture and in Hebrew culture. That's why the Bible says "there was no longer any sea", because that's the whole point of the new earth. It's a world without evil.

Look at these verses for example:

Isaiah 57:20
But the wicked are like the tossing sea; for it cannot be quiet, and its waters toss up mire and dirt.

Jeremiah 5:22
Do you not fear me? declares the Lord. Do you not tremble before me? I placed the sand as the boundary for the sea, a perpetual barrier that it cannot pass; though the waves toss, they cannot prevail; though they roar, they cannot pass over it.

Luke 21:25
And there will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth distress of nations in perplexity because of the roaring of the sea and the waves,

Did you think the beast out of the sea came out of the Mediterranean? No, the beast came out of evil.

Revelation 13:1
And I saw a beast coming out of the sea.

Daniel also saw four beasts coming out of the sea.

Daniel 7:3
Four great beasts, each different from the others, came up out of the sea.... The four great beasts are four kings that will rise from the earth.

You see, these are four kings from the earth. They did not literally come out of the sea. The sea is symbolic for the evil earth. This is also probably why Jesus said he would make the disciples "fishers of men". It was a metaphor for pulling people out of the sea of evil that is this world.

So you can not use this reference to "no longer any sea" in Revelation 21 to prove your point. You have to dig deeper than that to find the truth.

 
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