How Long is an Hour?

[ewq1938]

Not necessarily.

Daniel refers to the abomination that causes desolation in middle of the week (Daniel 9:27) and also to a time, times and half a time (Daniel 12:7), to 1,290 days (Daniel 12:11) and to 1,315 days (Daniel 12:12).

It could just be that the first half of the week (0-3.5 years) are the beginning of birth pains (Matthew 24:8) and the second half (3.5 - 7 years) is more severe. My theory is that the trumpets and bowls (the worst part) will happen in one year, the seventh year, similar to the seventh day of the conquest of Jericho when they circled the city seven times as opposed to once.

Again, the full length of the tribulation went from 7 years to 3.5 years. Christ said it was shortened so it was shortened. The tribulation is not 7 years in Rev. There is no such thing as a 3.5 year trib then a more severe 3.5 years. There is only 3.5 years/42 months and nothing else.

The trib originally was to be 7 years.
The trib was shortened and is now half that length.

Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

 

[Luke17:37]

Again, the full length of the tribulation went from 7 years to 3.5 years. Christ said it was shortened so it was shortened. The tribulation is not 7 years in Rev. There is no such thing as a 3.5 year trib then a more severe 3.5 years. There is only 3.5 years/42 months and nothing else.

The trib originally was to be 7 years.
The trib was shortened and is now half that length.

Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

I guess we'll find out, won't we.

 

[ewq1938]

I guess we'll find out, won't we.

We already know this from scripture so we don't need to see prophecy come to pass to know what Rev 13 says is true.

 

[Luke17:37]

We already know this from scripture so we don't need to see prophecy come to pass to know what Rev 13 says is true.

I'm not going to argue with you anymore. Jesus doesn't say, "It was going to be 7 years but now it's 3.5." There are lots of people who believe in a seven year tribulation because of Daniel 9:27 and Jesus' reference to that passage. You don't. It's a free world.

 

[ewq1938]

I'm not going to argue with you anymore. Jesus doesn't say, "It was going to be 7 years but now it's 3.5." There are lots of people who believe in a seven year tribulation because of Daniel 9:27 and Jesus' reference to that passage. You don't. It's a free world.

But if the trib is the same length then Jesus was wrong. Plus a 7 year trib is not found in Rev anyways. Forget the 7 year idea, it isn't going to happen.

 

[Riberra]

Revelation 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
Revelation 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
Revelation 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

If power was given to the Beast to CONTINUE forty and two months....that must be because the Beast was there before that moment .

Revelation 13:3 tell us that it is the case.

Revelation 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

 

[ewq1938]

If power was given to the Beast to CONTINUE ...that must be because the Beast was there before that moment.

lol, well he did just rise up from the sea...if the beast has a minute or whatever more than 42 months it doesn't change anything.

What is your interpretation of that passage ?

The beast rises, then has 42 months to rule with the power allowed.

 

[Riberra]

lol, well he did just rise up from the sea...if the beast has a minute or whatever more than 42 months it doesn't change anything.


The beast rises, then has 42 months to rule with the power allowed.

Look at all the verses implied
Revelation 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
Revelation 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
Revelation 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

 

[ewq1938]

?

Look at all the verses implied
Revelation 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
Revelation 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
Revelation 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

 

[Riberra]

lol, well he did just rise up from the sea...

What about the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit ?
Revelation 11:7
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Revelation 11

 

[ewq1938]

What about the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomles pit ?

You would have to be a little more specific what you want to ask me.

 

[Riberra]

You would have to be a little more specific what you want to ask me.

Sorry for not having been more specific.

What is your interpretation about the meaning of the symbolism used in Revelation 13:1?
Do you really believe that the BEAST rising up out of the sea described will literally be some kind of beast having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns ...?


Revelation 13:1
13 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

 

[ewq1938]

Sorry for not having been more specific.

What is your interpretation about the meaning of the symbolism used in Revelation 13:1?
Do you really believe that the BEAST rising up out of the sea described will literally be some kind of beast having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns ...?

No.

Any other questions?

 

[Luke17:37]

But if the trib is the same length then Jesus was wrong. Plus a 7 year trib is not found in Rev anyways. Forget the 7 year idea, it isn't going to happen.

Well, wouldn't that make Daniel 9:27 wrong? No Scripture is wrong.

 

[ewq1938]

Well, wouldn't that make Daniel 9:27 wrong? No Scripture is wrong.

It makes it a changed scripture and not accepting the change is wrong.

Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Mat_24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

 

[Luke17:37]

It makes it a changed scripture and not accepting the change is wrong.

Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Mat_24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Maybe you misunderstand what He means by shortened. It could just be a matter of God reducing the number of days within this time that are agonizing. Or perhaps by having the 1/3 of the day and 1/3 of the night be dark (4th Trumpet - Revelation 8:12) and give people a little relief from the scorching sun. Maybe the 1/3 concealment of the sun during daytime keeps some people (including surviving elect) from dying of heat.

Isaiah 40:8
8 The grass withers, the flower fades, but the word of our God stands forever.”

Matthew 5:17-18
17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

 

[Postvieww]

Christ said it was shortened and then we see in Rev it is 42 months or 3.5 years so it's now half the original amount of time.

Consider the possibility that the shortening of days refers to the length of the day, not the number of days. I don’t believe we are given enough information one way or the other to be absolute about it. Just my opinion.

 

[Riberra]

No.

Any other questions?

Based on your interpretation:
-What is that beast representing ?

-What the -sea- is representing ?

-What is the meaning of the seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns ?

-Can you find other references about that Beast in the book of Revelation or elsewhere in the Bible ?

Revelation 13:1
1 “And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the SEA, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.”

 

[ewq1938]

Maybe you misunderstand what He means by shortened. It could just be a matter of God reducing the number of days within this time that are agonizing.

That's not what Christ said though. He said the days or length of the tribulation would be shortened which means less days of the tribulation period. That's why we don't see the beast given 84 months to rule but only half of that shortened by 50 percent.

 

[ewq1938]

Consider the possibility that the shortening of days refers to the length of the day, not the number of days. I don’t believe we are given enough information one way or the other to be absolute about it. Just my opinion.

That won't help people survive a tribulation though.