How Ladies can be a Bishop?

Lovely Lane · Nov 21, 2012

wordsoflife said:
As many as it takes for you to submit woman!

do you even know what you are talking about? I'm guessing you are a teen having an older sister who has bossed you around since days of diapers.
Enjoy your church, your way of life, your older sister. bye.

Ringo84 · Nov 21, 2012

Women are the weaker vessel

How are women the "weaker vessel" when they are the ones who endure labor, childbirth, menstruation, and menopause?

the male who is the head.

I understand what you're saying here, but I just don't see the need for a gender-specific hierarchy. When I marry, I expect to be a partner to my wife - not the "head". The Bible does say that "two shall become one" after all.

Is it not possible for men and women to have an equal relationship, instead of a fairly rigid "men are the head, women are submissive" hierarchy?
Ringo

wordsoflife · Nov 21, 2012

Ringo84 said:
Is it not possible for men and women to have an equal relationship, instead of a fairly rigid "men are the head, women are submissive" hierarchy?

Following the bible really doesn't seem to be important to you. The male should lead and be the head that is why we have an outty and women have an inny. That is why white is male and black if female. That is why male is positive and female negative. There is a reason for these things and the order of the universe.

Ringo84 · Nov 21, 2012

Before you start jumping to conclusions about what is and isn't important to me, answer my question.

I understand why you said what you did to Lovely, as he came in here with guns blazing and saying some things that I would not have necessarily included in my posts. But I have tried to engage with you on a more philosophical level, so I'd appreciate something a little deeper in response than "you don't believe the Bible!"

that is why we have an outty and women have an inny. That is why white is male and black if female.

What?
Ringo

wordsoflife · Nov 21, 2012

Genesis 3:16
To the woman he said, I will make your pains in childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.

Ringo84 · Nov 21, 2012

Assuming the entire Adam and Eve story happened, that was a curse - it was not the way God intended for things to be. So if we're going to assume that women can't be leaders of the church, I hope we have something stronger than that.
Ringo

wordsoflife · Nov 21, 2012

Ringo84 said:
What?

The differences between male and female are universal principles. I was using examples of this, like for instance the Sun is male and the Moon is female.

Ringo84 · Nov 21, 2012

"The sun is male and the moon is female"? According to whom? We seem to be starting to get into some strange territory here.

Yes....there are differences between men and women, but I don't see how that invalidates female leadership in the church.
Ringo

Albion · Nov 21, 2012

wordsoflife said:
The differences between male and female are universal principles. I was using examples of this, like for instance the Sun is male and the Moon is female.

At first it seems startling, and some folks will not understand no matter what, but we do recognize that there is a difference between male and female...until it suits our purposes to argue that they're really just the same thing, that is.

Cjwinnit · Nov 22, 2012

Ringo84 said:
Yes....there are differences between men and women,

HERESY!!!!

You just made some poor girl's head explode

wordsoflife · Nov 22, 2012

Albion said:
At first it seems startling, and some folks will not understand no matter what, but we do recognize that there is a difference between male and female...until it suits our purposes to argue that they're really just the same thing, that is.

Yes, and this was all I was trying to illustrate. Male and Female are not the same. God did not engineer females to lead his Church body this is up to the male to teach and lead.

wordsoflife · Nov 22, 2012

Lovely Lane said:
do you even know what you are talking about? I'm guessing you are a teen having an older sister who has bossed you around since days of diapers.
Enjoy your church, your way of life, your older sister. bye.

Actually, I'm 35 and I don't have an older sister. I will enjoy my Church and way of life that does not permit women to be the pastor.

Ringo84 · Nov 22, 2012

Since it's Thanksgiving, I'm calling a truce for the rest of the day. Go enjoy time with your family instead of wasting time arguing online.

I'll respond to the above posts later.
Ringo

Lovely Lane · Nov 22, 2012

wordsoflife said:
Actually, I'm 35 and I don't have an older sister. I will enjoy my Church and way of life that does not permit women to be the pastor.

Good for you, I only can hope that the women there wise up.

Bethesda · Nov 22, 2012

Albion said:
You are right, of course. If we discard a number of books from the Bible, we can easily argue this issue or many others simply on the basis of practicality. Most of us cannot justify considering part of the Bible to be merely personal opinion, and therefore non-binding, while other parts are considered inspired.

Although Luther didn't like James and was not keen really on Revelations either.

Bethesda · Nov 22, 2012

wordsoflife said:
Where I come from that's a dirty word used for the godless.[/quote

Bethesda · Nov 22, 2012

wordsoflife said:
This is pretty clear:
“Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. I
permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she
is to keep silent”(1 Tim.2:11–12).

If you were to take that literally, it would mean that women could not even speak in bible study groups etc.
Do you have Deaconesses in your church

Albion · Nov 23, 2012

Bethesda said:
Although Luther didn't like James and was not keen really on Revelations either.

Anyone with any Bible knowledge understands that James is a very simple message, unlike most of the other books of the NT, and Revelation is entirely John's report of a vision and one of the last books to be accepted by Christians. But both books remained in Luther's translation of the Bible, so there's no issue here at all.

wordsoflife · Nov 23, 2012

Lovely Lane said:
I only can hope that the women there wise up.

They are wise, for example my Pastor's wife knows her role and fulfills it wonderfully. She is not the Pastor/Teacher but has a place in the congregation.

Ringo84 · Nov 23, 2012

Cjwinnit said:
HERESY!!!!

You just made some poor girl's head explode

I don't have a problem with the concept of men and women being different - only that those differences somehow affect women's ability to preach.
Ringo

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