How is it consistent to criticize the left for hating America AND not having an objective morality ?

[Hammster]

The scenario was not about someone claiming to be God; my scenario was about God. Care to answer my question?

God wouldn’t command something that was sinful.

Still; if mankind were created morally equal to God, why was he so quick to sin?

Good question, but outside the scope of this discussion.

 

[Hammster]

I could give you an enormous amount of information that explains it all. But you'd not be interested in reading it, I think. But in short, it was the evolutionary process. So you can say you know who did it and I can say I know how He did it.

Okay, let’s go with that. You are claiming theistic evolution. That means God did it. And that means it’s not natural. It’s God’s work.

 

[ximmix]

God wouldn’t command something that was sinful.

Would it really be sinful if God commanded it?

 

[perplexed]

Non sequitur.

Please just think about what I said for just 2 seconds.

 

[Hammster]

Would it really be sinful if God commanded it?

That’s like asking a good husband if he has stopped beating his wife.

 

[Hammster]

Please just think about what I said for just 2 seconds.

You won’t actually engage with anything I’ve actually said, unlike Ken and Bradskii. They’ve actually responded to my comments. So when you do the same, I’ll respond in kind.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

What..? Are you saying that God doesn't speak to people in some way? Or that He couldn't? He spoke to many people in the bible and I have talked with people who assure me that He has talked directly to them. So I know it happens. Why do you doubt this?

I doubt it for the same reasons that other intelligent people doubt it, Bradskii. Mainly because I've lived life---which also includes "talking with people," and I've studied to damned much.

Also, by the way, you can stop with me anytime since.....well....I'm not going to be your "tool."

If you ever want to have a serious and sincere convo, let me know. Until then, you're on my khan-list.

 

[perplexed]

You won’t actually engage with anything I’ve actually said, unlike Ken and Bradskii. They’ve actually responded to my comments. So when you do the same, I’ll respond in kind.

??? Can you give me an example of something that you said that I did not engage with.

In any case , If you review your conversations with me, Ken and Bradskii it is clear we don't have the same define "object morality" the same way as you.

I assure you, your definition is pretty ridiculous, watch some youtube videos.

 

[Hammster]

??? Can you give me an example of something that you said that I did not engage with.

I’d say it started here, and hasn’t gotten any better.

EDIT, you are saying that humans that are not doing what Jesus wants them to do will randomly change their minds all the time

 

[Ken-1122]

God wouldn’t command something that was sinful.

If God decides what is sinful, he can decide killing your neighbor was not sinful just like telling Abraham to kill his son was not sinful. Care to try again?

Good question, but outside the scope of this discussion.

You made the claim the reason I know right from wrong is because we were all made in the moral image of God. My response was in the context of your claim. Unless you are going to take that claim back, my question is within the scope of this discussion. Care to answer my question?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

If God decides what is sinful, he can decide killing your neighbor was not sinful just like telling Abraham to kill his son was not sinful. Care to try again?

You made the claim the reason I know right from wrong is because we were all made in the moral image of God. My response was in the context of your claim. Unless you are going to take that claim back, my question is within the scope of this discussion. Care to answer my question?

You're full so much ignorant crap, Ken. Maybe stop while you're behind?

Why is it that you atheists pop up on CF and then proceed to bull-doze your way forward with countless assertions that don't actually meet the content of the Bible all the while claiming that you do so conceptually and historically?

The audacity and lack of education some you guys have just boggles the mind.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

You've taken Option 2. I don't need to know any more. Thanks for your input.

Apparently, you can't tell the difference between concepts, Bradskii. Or you just refuse to, and your refusal isn't someting I accept. So, it looks like we're in for a rough ride, you and me.

When you finally realize the difference between killing and murder, you let me know.

 

[Hammster]

If God decides what is sinful, he can decide killing your neighbor was not sinful just like telling Abraham to kill his son was not sinful. Care to try again?

It’s not a decision like deciding what flavor ice cream is best. It’s flows out of His nature. For instance, bearing false witness against your neighbor is sinful because God is truth.

You made the claim the reason I know right from wrong is because we were all made in the moral image of God. My response was in the context of your claim. Unless you are going to take that claim back, my question is within the scope of this discussion. Care to answer my question?

Nope. It’s a theological question which won’t get us anywhere. I have taught three of my kids to drive without explaining how a combustion engine works. They drive just fine knowing that it does.

 

[Ken-1122]

You're full so much ignorant crap, Ken. Maybe stop while you're behind?

Why is it that you atheists pop up on CF and then proceed to bull-doze your way forward with countless assertions that don't actually meet the content of the Bible all the while claiming that you do so conceptually and historically?

The audacity and lack of education some you guys have just boggles the mind.

First of all, I wasn’t even talking to you, I was talking to somebody else. Before you go interrupting in our conversation, making snap-judgments based on ignorance, try reading some of the previous posts me and this other person had that lead to me responding as I did.

I did not “bulldoze” my way into anything, all the questions I asked him are hypothetical. The reason I challenged him with that particular hypothetical is because he asked ME this hypothetical and I’m just turning it around and applying it to him.

If I recall correctly, this is the second time in as many days that you have made such a mistake concerning my conversations with somebody else. Perhaps it is you who should quit while you are behind.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

First of all, I wasn’t even talking to you, I was talking to somebody else. Before you go interrupting in our conversation, making snap-judgments based on ignorance, try reading some of the previous posts me and this other person had that lead to me responding as I did.

I did not “bulldoze” my way into anything, all the questions I asked him are hypothetical. The reason I challenged him with that particular hypothetical is because he asked ME this hypothetical and I’m just turning it around and applying it to him.

If I recall correctly, this is the second time in as many days that you have made such a mistake concerning my conversations with somebody else. Perhaps it is you who should quit while you are behind.

You're the one who said that I need to "answer the man" the other day. Remember?

 

[Larniavc]

I am told I cannot really think murder is wrong if I don't think there is a God that objects to murder.

It’s because THEY don’t think murder is wrong unless God tells them it is. They have no natural ethical framework without the Bible to tell the explicitly what is ‘wrong’.

Consequently they cannot imagine other people CAN have a natural ethical framework to navigate issues of right and wrong.

It’s like try to explain colour to a blind man. Even if they were to understand it they could never experience it.

 

[Ken-1122]

You're the one who said that I need to "answer the man" the other day. Remember?

Yes; I said you should answer the guy you was talking to. What does that have to do with anything?

 

[perplexed]

I am astounded by peoples inability to realize they are talking past someone else.
I suspect they are basically "trained" to do it by people like Frank Turek

 

[durangodawood]

If the "wrongness" of killing your neighbor unprovoked is contingent on God's say-so, then is it really intrinsically wrong?

Seems not.

 

[Hammster]

I am astounded by peoples inability to realize they are talking past someone else.
I suspect they are basically "trained" to do it by people like Frank Turek

Apparently this applies to you. You don’t seem to be able to engage with what I’ve been saying.