How is it consistent to criticize the left for hating America AND not having an objective morality ?

[Hammster]

If the "wrongness" of killing your neighbor unprovoked is contingent on God's say-so, then is it really intrinsically wrong?

Seems not.

I would agree.

 

[Bradskii]

Okay, let’s go with that. You are claiming theistic evolution. That means God did it. And that means it’s not natural. It’s God’s work.

I have a different name for Him: Nature.

 

[perplexed]

Apparently this applies to you. You don’t seem to be able to engage with what I’ve been saying.

Sorry no
I do engage with what you what you are saying but that is beside the point
I did actually realize that I was talking past you
Why can't you do the same.

 

[Hammster]

I have a different name for Him: Nature.

How do you know that his name?

 

[Hammster]

Sorry no
I do engage with what you what you are saying but that is beside the point
I did actually realize that I was talking past you
Why can't you do the same.

Because I don’t really feel like talking past you.

 

[Bradskii]

I doubt it for the same reasons that other intelligent people doubt it, Bradskii. Mainly because I've lived life---which also includes "talking with people," and I've studied to damned much.

Did you really think I thought He has spoken to people? Please...I'm an atheist. I know that when people say that God has guided them then they are wrong. So you are missing the point being made by a country mile. It's what they BELIEVE they have been told. If they BELIEVE He has commanded them to do something. That's what we are talking about. What that belief might cause them to do.

 

[perplexed]

Because I don’t really feel like talking past you.

wow

I have actually been engaging with you
I have pointing out you have been using the wrong definitions , because for some reason you
could not work out this yourself

At least you realize talking past people is silly, I don't know how to make you realize the obvious fact that is all that you do

 

[Bradskii]

How do you know that his name?

It was in a book I read. Well, very many books actually.

 

[Hammster]

wow

I have actually been engaging with you
I have pointing out you have been using the wrong definitions , because for some reason you
could not work out this yourself

At least you realize talking past people is silly, I don't know how to make you realize the obvious fact that is all that you do

What definitions have I used?

 

[Hammster]

It was in a book I read. Well, very many books actually.

I doubt that.

 

[Bradskii]

I doubt that.

You doubt I have read books that explain the natural process of how we came to be? That's an odd thing to say...

 

[perplexed]

What definitions have I used?

???
I already told you need to use youtube to learn the definition of "Objective morality"

 

[Hammster]

You doubt I have read books that explain the natural process of how we came to be? That's an odd thing to say...

I doubt the previous claim you made.

 

[Hammster]

???
I already told you need to use youtube to learn the definition of "Objective morality"

You have to show how I’ve used it, and how it’s incorrect.

 

[Bradskii]

I doubt the previous claim you made.

That I call that which created us 'nature'? Again, that's quite an odd thing to say.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Did you really think I thought He has spoken to people? Please...I'm an atheist. I know that when people say that God has guided them then they are wrong. So you are missing the point being made by a country mile. It's what they BELIEVE they have been told. If they BELIEVE He has commanded them to do something. That's what we are talking about. What that belief might cause them to do.

Of course I know you don't really think that God speaks to people: and I already know all too well that you're an atheist. Unlike you, I've paid attention.

And you're still worried about what some solipsistic, eisegetical "beliefs" might cause people to do. We had this conversation a while back. I disagreed with you then, and I'll still disagree with you now. All that has to happen is for people to grasp the essence of Hermeneutics and proper exegesis and that will solve a lot of problems where the Bible is concerned. It won't solve all of the problems, obviously, but it will render impotent some of their misdirected interpretations which impel their actions, even political ones.

 

[perplexed]

You have to show how I’ve used it, and how it’s incorrect.

hmm, would be faster to come up with a new example.

Why or why not would you say the following statement is related to concept of "objective morality" ?

Statement:
A believer in God and his word can go further than someone that just says "it is wrong to murder our neighbor for his dog" without explaining why it is wrong to murder their dog.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Yes; I said you should answer the guy you was talking to. What does that have to do with anything?

You're making similar arguments. I rejected his, and I reject yours. But as for Hammster, if you don't like what he says, just ignore him.

 

[Bradskii]

Of course I know you don't really think that God speaks to people: and I already know all too well that you're an atheist. Unlike you, I've paid attention.

And you're still worried about what some solipsistic, eisegetical "beliefs" might cause people to do. We had this conversation a while back. I disagreed with you then, and I'll still disagree with you now. All that has to happen is for people to grasp the essence of Hermeneutics and proper exegesis and that will solve a lot of problems where the Bible is concerned. It won't solve all of the problems, obviously, but it will render impotent some of their misdirected interpretations which impel their actions, even political ones.

You are doing your best to avoid the point I am making. It's not what anyone can do to solve any problems that someone might have with an incorrect belief. Notwithstanding that it is not your job to decide when someone has misinterpreted what they consider to be divine guidance. It's that if they truly believe that they have had instructions from God and that God is always right, then it can lead to any act being committed. In His name.

I find that chilling.

 

[Hammster]

You doubt I have read books that explain the natural process of how we came to be? That's an odd thing to say...

That’s not the claim you made.