I don't even know what this means. There's too much confusion to those words.
You said that getting back to God is not justice. I said justice is a byproduct, or a requirement of getting back to God. You can't get back to God without first allowing justice to be paid.
I don't see the difference. Whether you believe you are superior because you are superior, or whether you believe you are superior because Jesus makes you superior, the end result is the same.
End result is the same, the difference is we have nothing to brag about because Jesus is the one who makes us righteous. I see your point now. Obviously a person who has the Holy Spirit in them and made righteous by Christ is the desired state to be in, and that way can be viewed as "superior." But again, we still recognize the One who made us righteous. It was not us, we are only sheep who returned to the Shepherd.
Fair enough, just try it without essentially following up "Christians aren't superior" with your explanation of how they actually are. "Listen, I'm not racist, but..."
As I said before, if you want to reduce it to those terms then yes we are superior. Just through Jesus, not our own merits. Without Christ I am nothing. I could never save myself.
To compare it to race is both laughable and another twisting of my words. Race is something you're born with, and can never change. We are all born with sin, but Jesus died to pay all of it, and anyone who faithes in Him can be made righteous.
I don't think that's necessarily true. But, you and I agree that eye for an eye isn't justice, and those who believe in eye for an eye agree with me that justice means actions should have consequences.
Right. Actions do have consequences. Those consequences just aren't eternal damnation when you faithe in Christ Jesus. Everyone has experienced consequences for their sins in this life. But only those who do not faithe in Jesus will face the consequences in eternity.
God judges none of us. Those who are non-Christian are damned before they are judged. Those who are Christian are forgiven before they are judged.
Without Christ we are damned before we even die. You can change that around anytime by faithing in Jesus, or conversely by losing your faith and rejecting Him. You will be judged by what you believed at the end of your life. God won't judge you until that point in time, until it happens it can go either way.
But you're advocating a different justice.
When it comes to our eternal fate, I am advocating God's justice. Man's justice has no say or place in determining our eternal fate.
I understanding that you're saying that God is merciful to Christians because they're Christians. But mercy contradicts justice.
Wrong. Maybe your personal definition of mercy contradicts justice. God's justice is paid by Christ's sacrifice. That had to happen for us to receive mercy. Whether you like it or not, understand it or not, Jesus came to the earth to fulfill God's law, not erase it, and allow us to receive mercy.
So you keep saying, but Christ's sacrifice really has no part in the discussion. If Jesus won your sins by flipping a switch or pressing a button, my question would still be the same. It's not how it was done, or the mechanism of it, but that by ensuring that you do not have to face the consequences of your action, justice is not one. Jesus' sacrifice really is an aside.
It's not an aside, you can say that all you want and that doesn't change the truth. It comes down to your stubborn attitude and refusing to accept the very idea of someone else paying for our sins. It is payment, it is something that had to be offered and lost by the owner. Jesus gave his life for us. We don't just "get off free", there are conditions tied to Christ's sacrifice. In order to be a part of this salvation plan, we have to faithe in Jesus and take up his commission to spread the Gospel. We're not free to just live our lives the way we want to. We have to follow Jesus.
Not it can't differ. That's the idea behind it. It doesn't change for some people.
Yeah it doesn't change for stubborn people who want things the way they want it. That's your problem, when you're ready to open your mind to understanding God's always waiting for you.
Can you show me where God says that is justice?
I'm not going to do your homework for you. Do some research and you'll find plenty of examples in Scripture that demonstrate this. The Bible makes it clear it's not following man's laws that save you, it's faithing in Jesus.
But they are Christian and therefore receiving guidance from God. So why is God guiding them this way?
Another twisting of words. Keep it coming. God doesn't guide men to do evil, they choose to stray from the Lord's guidance and commit evil. That's why I said it's proof even Christians can go astray. But at least we have that guidance and the chance to know better and make the right decision. David committed all kinds of sins, but what found him favor with God is he always recognized it was his own fault and he repented to the Lord. The only time anybody ever did wrong is when they were not relying on God, but their own will.
That's like asking why is the sky the sky. If a person is charged for a crime, and there is a fine they must pay, and if they can't pay the fine they are put to death, and Jesus pays that fine for them on the condition they dedicate their life to trusting in Jesus, there is no arguable reason for how that is unjust. The fine that is owed to the court is paid, and fortunately the person has both their life back, and a path to be rehabilitated. The question is not "why is that justice", the question is "why is that not justice?"
You give me one good reason for why Jesus should not be allowed to pay the fine if he is both able and willing, and prevent that person's death. Very simply, to wish that Jesus was not allowed to pay the fine and desire that person to be put to death is evil. No way around it. You just want that person dead. Only an evil heart could desire that.
Ah yes, questioning me when I speak for God is evil.
There's nothing wrong with asking questions. What's wrong is to claim that God is unjust for offering His son for our salvation. By equating your asking questions with my example, you admit that you indeed believe God is not just. Sorry, but that's evil. If you want to keep asking questions, keep them coming. But at the end of the day you're going to come to a decision. If you can accept that the Lord is just and merciful, then Hallelujah. But if you continue to believe God is not just, then that's an evil thing to believe and I hope you wise up soon.
JGG...did you read the passage I mentioned? If so, what consequences does Paul warn the Corinthians about? Does this passage imply that Christians get a 'free-ticket' if they sin?
