How I know there is no God

[DoubtingThomas29]

Dear Wiccan and Navy guy,

Wiccan you'rer doing a good job laying out the case for evolution. I do believe perhaps the most compelling evidence for humans having a common ancestor with apes is that. Human DNA is different from each other in its own species of about .0003% something ridicuosly small like that. So one human next to another human, has DNA about as similar as 99.9997%, our DNA is about 60% similar to plants, remember there are sexually reproducing plants too. With Orangatangs, there DNA is about 98% similar to our own, if that doesn't say we are long lost cousins then what does?

Further more you can look at the DNA of a Chimpanzee and know a virus caused a mutation in the DNA, there is some kind of record of a virus that got in a chimpanzee from a long time ago. That same virus mutated our DNA too, we have the same DNA marker of that virus, from early in the evolutionary process of the species. So really this means we have a common ancestor with the chimpanzee that probably goes back millions of years go.

We have that sun just pumping down on us with the UV rays and they mutate our DNA. Our bodies correct the damge from the sun rays or what ever possible chemical that caused the damage and it makes a new gene in the gene pool. I wonder sometimes what will be the human race's legacy on the Earth? Any thoughts on that?

 

[NavyGuy7]

Dear Wiccan and Navy guy,

Wiccan you'rer doing a good job laying out the case for evolution. I do believe perhaps the most compelling evidence for humans having a common ancestor with apes is that. Human DNA is different from each other in its own species of about .0003% something ridicuosly small like that. So one human next to another human, has DNA about as similar as 99.9997%, our DNA is about 60% similar to plants, remember there are sexually reproducing plants too. With Orangatangs, there DNA is about 98% similar to our own, if that doesn't say we are long lost cousins then what does?

Further more you can look at the DNA of a Chimpanzee and know a virus caused a mutation in the DNA, there is some kind of record of a virus that got in a chimpanzee from a long time ago. That same virus mutated our DNA too, we have the same DNA marker of that virus, from early in the evolutionary process of the species. So really this means we have a common ancestor with the chimpanzee that probably goes back millions of years go.

We have that sun just pumping down on us with the UV rays and they mutate our DNA. Our bodies correct the damge from the sun rays or what ever possible chemical that caused the damage and it makes a new gene in the gene pool. I wonder sometimes what will be the human race's legacy on the Earth? Any thoughts on that?

This last paragraph in your post seems to outline a contradiction with what you said about a marker. If it is the sun that caused such a mutation, then of course we would share it.... as the sun is shared by all living things on the planet's surface.

So please, do a little better in arranging your argument, please? And you cannot really prove, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that we come from apes/monkeys, whatever.

All you have presented is circumstantial evidence, nothing more. It can be argued this means only that we are similar, but not related.

But I do like your opening line at the top. Glad I made some sort of impression to be addressed directly so, lol. Kidding, kidding. It's clear me and Wiccan are arguing points, so you wanted to address us both. Understandable. But let's not get too angry at each other. I for one will have a little fun with this, while stating my serious beliefs and conclusions.

 

[WingsOfTheNeophyte]

I wonder sometimes what will be the human race's legacy on the Earth?

I always wonder what our legacy in space will be

 

[NavyGuy7]

AS for our legacy, all I can see is us destroying ourselves. One day there will be a world government, and it will be highly corrupt, trust me. I'm not just saying this because of what I believe as a Christian. I also say this because I see warning signs. Not sure if they're actually related to what will happen, but even if these weren't enough, I only have to look at human nature, and of the actions of previous dictators, to realize a global dictatorship is inevitable.

 

[NavyGuy7]

I always wonder what our legacy in space will be

I don't think we'll be able to get farther than the moon, and I mean as far as humans traveling goes. Though I often do wonder what we WILL be able to accomplish. It might be possible to have a station on the moon. Though it would be very difficult indeed.

 

[ArchaicTruth]

Don't count your chickens before they hatch NavyGuy, all we might need is one small break, and we might end up walking on the stars sooner than you might think.

 

[WingsOfTheNeophyte]

I am very optimistic about that, although bases on planets/moons is quite unlikely , habitable space stations, Imo are the future, as soon as we have superior energy generation and atomic scale manufacturing we are going to leave this planet

 

[NavyGuy7]

Don't count your chickens before they hatch NavyGuy, all we might need is one small break, and we might end up walking on the stars sooner than you might think.

Sir. I think the chickens may have already hatched. The world could end before we even reach Mars. And I don't mean just biblically. I mean our sun could supernova on us, in the future. Granted, it is far away, but who know how long it would take to perfect technology that would enable us to travel to other points in space quickly?


Besides, at the rate we are going, we are more likely to destroy ourselves first than colonize in another solar system.

 

[ArchaicTruth]

I agree, we are more likely to blow ourselves to hell, but we've come this far, why not farther?

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Dear Wiccan and Navy guy,

Wiccan you'rer doing a good job laying out the case for evolution. I do believe perhaps the most compelling evidence for humans having a common ancestor with apes is that. Human DNA is different from each other in its own species of about .0003% something ridicuosly small like that. So one human next to another human, has DNA about as similar as 99.9997%, our DNA is about 60% similar to plants, remember there are sexually reproducing plants too. With Orangatangs, there DNA is about 98% similar to our own, if that doesn't say we are long lost cousins then what does?

It is certainly compelling, and from a Creationist's POV, it has to be either coincidence (just as it is coincidence that you win the national lottery 50 times in a row) or deliberate (just because everything looks evolved, doesn't mean it is. Deceptive Creators ftw!).

Further more you can look at the DNA of a Chimpanzee and know a virus caused a mutation in the DNA, there is some kind of record of a virus that got in a chimpanzee from a long time ago. That same virus mutated our DNA too, we have the same DNA marker of that virus, from early in the evolutionary process of the species. So really this means we have a common ancestor with the chimpanzee that probably goes back millions of years go.

I recently saw a seminar on something similar:
Under the Evolutionary POV, all Great Apes are related by a common ancestor. However, all Great Apes except humans have 48 chromosomes, whilst humans have 46. Under the Evolutionary POV, thise would be by the fusion of two chromosomes.
So, we should be able to look at our chromosomes and find one that looks as if it is the fusion of two.
And you know what? We do.
Chromosome 2 has two telomeres* in it's center, two telomeres at it's ends, and two centromeres** at the 'quarter' points. This is exactly what we would expect to see if two independant chromosomes fused top-to-tail.
What's even more spectacular is that we can even identify which chromosomes were fused! If memory serves, Chromosome 13 in Chimps corresponds very well to one half of human Chromosome 2.

Very, very interesting.

*Telomeres are found at the ends of normal chromosomes, like the white bits of magic wands.
**Centromeres are at the center of a normal chromosome; when chromosomes join to become x-shaped, the centromere is the 'belt' of the X.

We have that sun just pumping down on us with the UV rays and they mutate our DNA. Our bodies correct the damge from the sun rays or what ever possible chemical that caused the damage and it makes a new gene in the gene pool. I wonder sometimes what will be the human race's legacy on the Earth? Any thoughts on that?

I don't think humanity will die out. I think that, as in Doctor Who, humanity will survive till the Heat Death of the universe.

 

[DoubtingThomas29]

Thanks Wiccan I'll have to remember that, we have a chromsome that fused together. That is cool to know that.

 

[Crujir]

The whole point is that if God created all things, matter, time, space, energy, then He is outside of science. Why, then, would you try to hold God to scientific standards?

Your conscience alone will convict you; you needn't science to prove God. You need only the ability to accept the truth that is revealed to you through your conscience, instead of trying to justify everything by simply saying God doesn't exist.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

The whole point is that if God created all things, matter, time, space, energy, then He is outside of science.

Non sequitur. Can you demosntrate your conclusion?

 

[MrPangloss]

Hello

The whole point is that if God created all things, matter, time, space, energy, then He is outside of science. Why, then, would you try to hold God to scientific standards?.

I find a few things in this statement ( and the many others made to me that are similiar to it ) that leave me unsatisfied.

For one, Why would a diety give us the amazing tools like reason and logic, and their byproducts such as scientific rigor and then completetly mask itself from them? Instead of giving us something empirical, we are given revelations that serve poorly as axioms and fall prey easily to scrutiny and skepticism?

If this diety was truly omnipresent and truly all powerful, we should see his figurative finger prints all over the place. Yet, as time goes on, the probability of a diety that resembles the characterizations found in the Hebrew Bible, Greek Testaments, the Koran and Vedas, seem less and less likely.

 

[phsyxx]

The whole point is that if God created all things, matter, time, space, energy, then He is outside of science. Why, then, would you try to hold God to scientific standards?

Your conscience alone will convict you; you needn't science to prove God. You need only the ability to accept the truth that is revealed to you through your conscience, instead of trying to justify everything by simply saying God doesn't exist.

If he's outside of those things - then he's outside existence as we know it and can experience it - and therefore has no relevance in our lives.

 

[NavyGuy7]

Non sequitur. Can you demosntrate your conclusion?

It makes sense. Obviously you cannot hold God to scientific standards as he created the laws science is based on. It says in the bible he IS the "creator of all things", I believe. That WOULD include the laws of time and space, lol.

 

[NavyGuy7]

If he's outside of those things - then he's outside existence as we know it and can experience it - and therefore has no relevance in our lives.

Sorry, but he's also within existence. Nice try. Obviously, if God is omniPRESENT, that would mean he exists within existence as well as outside of it. It's a little like a map editor on a video game. You can create the map, right? But you can also walk inside it, and see if there are errors with it. Thus, technically, you are both inside and outside the "existence" of that map. And thus, creating this map, you would be very "relevant" to it.
Please, consider the facts before making accusations, my dear physxx

 

[NavyGuy7]

Hello



I find a few things in this statement ( and the many others made to me that are similiar to it ) that leave me unsatisfied.

For one, Why would a diety give us the amazing tools like reason and logic, and their byproducts such as scientific rigor and then completetly mask itself from them? Instead of giving us something empirical, we are given revelations that serve poorly as axioms and fall prey easily to scrutiny and skepticism?

If this diety was truly omnipresent and truly all powerful, we should see his figurative finger prints all over the place. Yet, as time goes on, the probability of a diety that resembles the characterizations found in the Hebrew Bible, Greek Testaments, the Koran and Vedas, seem less and less likely.

Yet, you can't really disprove him entirely, either. And God gave us all the freedom to choose, "free will". He wants us to come to him not because there's "proof", but because we believe he exists and we want to know him more. He wants us to come "as we are", and have faith in his existence. Granted, I'm not saying you can't try to prove some things in the bible really happened (Just look at the Naked Archeologist!) but if God had wanted us to use science and cold logic to prove his existence, he would have allowed us to do so long ago.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

It makes sense.

Obviously you cannot hold God to scientific standards as he created the laws science is based on. It says in the bible he IS the "creator of all things", I believe. That WOULD include the laws of time and space, lol.

The method by which humans aquire probable knowledge is not a creation of God since it's just that: a method devised by humans. If there is not evidence for the existance of your god, there there is no rational reason to believe in your god (barring philosophical proof).
So tell me again why your god is above science?

 

[Crujir]

Hello



I find a few things in this statement ( and the many others made to me that are similiar to it ) that leave me unsatisfied.

For one, Why would a diety give us the amazing tools like reason and logic, and their byproducts such as scientific rigor and then completetly mask itself from them? Instead of giving us something empirical, we are given revelations that serve poorly as axioms and fall prey easily to scrutiny and skepticism?

If this diety was truly omnipresent and truly all powerful, we should see his figurative finger prints all over the place. Yet, as time goes on, the probability of a diety that resembles the characterizations found in the Hebrew Bible, Greek Testaments, the Koran and Vedas, seem less and less likely.

The word of God says that when man first sinned, he was separated from God. Before we ate of the one tree back in Genesis, God WALKED through the woods and spent time with Adam and Eve. But our sin separated us from Him, and the only rectification for our sins was manifested in Jesus.

So, until we die, we cannot be with God because our fleshly bodies are impure, and the word of God says that nothing impure can enter the kingdom of Heaven. And even then, if we have not believed in Christ, we will not enter Heaven because our sin debt was not paid. He came to pay our debt, but if we do not believe, we do not receive this free gift.

Blessings to you,

Cru