How does one correctly keep the Sabbath according to SDA doctrine?

[Major1]

It was you who asked me if I knew what the Mark of the Beast is. When I answered in the affirmative you responded to Major1 that we are wrong and you are right in knowing what the Mark of the Beast is.

Is the Mark of the Beast worshiping God on Sunday or not? If it is not, please tell me what you believe it to be.

God bless you !

It actually does not matter what anyone of the SDA's say here, the bottom line to their denominational choice is that Seventh-day Adventist's teach that Sunday worshippers ARE THE Mark Of The Beast.

Many recent converts are either unaware, or unwilling to accept the official historic position of their church. Although their first reaction is, "My church doesn't teach that!" read the proof for yourself! It is still the official teaching today, except they teach it with flowery speeches.

1. "Sunday-keeping must be the mark of the beast." ... "The reception of his mark must be something that involves the greatest offense that can be committed against God." (The Marvel of Nations, Elder U. Smith pages 170, 183)
2. "Here we find the mark of the beast. The very act of changing the Sabbath into Sunday, on the part of the Catholic church, without any authority from the Bible." (Ellen G. White, The Mark of the Beast, page 23)
3. "The Sunday Sabbath is purely a child of the Papacy. It is the mark of the beast." (Advent Review, Vol. I, No. 2, August, 1850.)
4. "The change of the Sabbath is the sign or mark of the authority of the Romish church." ... "The keeping of the counterfeit Sabbath is the reception of the mark." (Ellen G. White, Great Controversy, Vol. 4, page 281.
5. "The mark of the beast is Sunday-keeping. A law will enforce this upon Seventh-day Adventists. They won't obey. Then they will be outlawed, persecuted, and condemned to death! Of all the wild Advent speculations in the prophecies, this deserves to stand among the wildest." (Seventh-day Adventism Renounced" by D.M. Canright, 1914)
6. "Sunday-keeping is an institution of the first beast, and ALL who submit to obey this institution emphatically worship the first beast and receive his mark, 'the mark of the beast.' .... Those who worship the beast and his image by observing the first day are certainly idolaters, as were the worshippers of the golden calf." (Advent Review Extra, pages 10 and 11, August, 1850)
7. "the Seventh day, Saturday, must be kept; that keeping Sunday is the mark of the beast; that all should pay tithes; that Mrs. White is inspired as were the writers of the Bible; that the Bible must be interpreted to harmonize with her writings" (Seventh-day Adventism Renounced" by D.M. Canright, 1914).

Mrs. Ellen G, White, false prophetess strikes again.

 

[klutedavid]

No--God (not me!) said that one day a week is solely for Him, 6 days for our work. I also said--(or are you just picking out words to slam on?)that we are to keep Him in our hearts every day---you sound as though you didn't even read what I said. No one has the mark of the beast yet--the beast has not come into power yet, when that happens and there is a mandated, governmentally imposed day to worship that is opposed to what God has said--then the decision has to be made--do we serve God or man? This is imposed on everyone.

You seem confused.

The Jewish Sabbath is a day of rest, it is not identified in the scripture as a day of worship.

There is no connection between a day of rest and the celebration of the risen Christ.

 

[klutedavid]

God bless you !

It actually does not matter what anyone of the SDA's say here, the bottom line to their denominational choice is that Seventh-day Adventist's teach that Sunday worshippers ARE THE Mark Of The Beast.

Many recent converts are either unaware, or unwilling to accept the official historic position of their church. Although their first reaction is, "My church doesn't teach that!" read the proof for yourself! It is still the official teaching today, except they teach it with flowery speeches.

1. "Sunday-keeping must be the mark of the beast." ... "The reception of his mark must be something that involves the greatest offense that can be committed against God." (The Marvel of Nations, Elder U. Smith pages 170, 183)
2. "Here we find the mark of the beast. The very act of changing the Sabbath into Sunday, on the part of the Catholic church, without any authority from the Bible." (Ellen G. White, The Mark of the Beast, page 23)
3. "The Sunday Sabbath is purely a child of the Papacy. It is the mark of the beast." (Advent Review, Vol. I, No. 2, August, 1850.)
4. "The change of the Sabbath is the sign or mark of the authority of the Romish church." ... "The keeping of the counterfeit Sabbath is the reception of the mark." (Ellen G. White, Great Controversy, Vol. 4, page 281.
5. "The mark of the beast is Sunday-keeping. A law will enforce this upon Seventh-day Adventists. They won't obey. Then they will be outlawed, persecuted, and condemned to death! Of all the wild Advent speculations in the prophecies, this deserves to stand among the wildest." (Seventh-day Adventism Renounced" by D.M. Canright, 1914)
6. "Sunday-keeping is an institution of the first beast, and ALL who submit to obey this institution emphatically worship the first beast and receive his mark, 'the mark of the beast.' .... Those who worship the beast and his image by observing the first day are certainly idolaters, as were the worshippers of the golden calf." (Advent Review Extra, pages 10 and 11, August, 1850)
7. "the Seventh day, Saturday, must be kept; that keeping Sunday is the mark of the beast; that all should pay tithes; that Mrs. White is inspired as were the writers of the Bible; that the Bible must be interpreted to harmonize with her writings" (Seventh-day Adventism Renounced" by D.M. Canright, 1914).

Mrs. Ellen G, White, false prophetess strikes again.

What Ellen wrote is not scripture and should be discarded.

 

[Major1]

What Ellen wrote is not scripture and should be discarded.

Agreed!

It is sad to me to see so many people led astray and confused about such simple things.

 

[mmksparbud]

So, precisely what is the Mark of the Beast?

Can you explain then what Rev. 13:16 means for us...……..
"And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:".

Does "RIGHT HAND and FOREHEAD" mean something else than what it appears to mean?

Read post #25

 

[mmksparbud]

Agreed!

It is sad to me to see so many people led astray and confused about such simple things.

This has nothing to do with EGW---it is strictly from the bible. And it is quite simple.

 

[mmksparbud]

You seem confused.

The Jewish Sabbath is a day of rest, it is not identified in the scripture as a day of worship.

There is no connection between a day of rest and the celebration of the risen Christ.

The Sabbath was created at the end of Creation week by God Himself--long before there was a Jew. The Sabbath was made for man---Jesus did not say it was made for the Jew.
Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

 

[mmksparbud]

What Ellen wrote is not scripture and should be discarded.

I never quoted EGW--bible only.

 

[mmksparbud]

There is no connection between a day of rest and the celebration of the risen Christ.

Exactly. God--Jesus--never once said to celebrate His resurrection instead of the 7th day Sabbath. Nothing wrong with celebrating it--it just is not the Sabbath that God--Jesus--designated.

 

[Major1]

Read post #25

LOL!

A perfect example of BURGER KING theology...…..YOU can have it your way!

In other words, when you do not like what God said, just change it to mean what YOU want to believe.

My dear friend, The Bible does NOT say in the forehead AND the hand in Revelation 13:16....It says
"HE also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands OR on their foreheads".

HE is a personal pronoun stiulating a person anf not a DAY or an event.
OR means one or the other but not both.

Doesn't is scare you to purposefully change the Word of God in such an obviouse manner????

 

[Major1]

Exactly. God--Jesus--never once said to celebrate His resurrection instead of the 7th day Sabbath. Nothing wrong with celebrating it--it just is not the Sabbath that God--Jesus--designated.

Wrong. WHO told Paul to write...……..
1 Corth. 16:2...…….
"On the first day of the week, each of you should set aside some income and save it to the extent that God has blessed you, so that a collection will not have to be made when I come."

There are no commandments or exhortations in the New Testament for us to keep the Sabbath. Rather, the early church gathered on the first day of the week in celebration and remembrance of the resurrection.

The only reason YOU worship on the Sabbath is because Ellen White said to do it.

You are welcome to follow Mres. But I am going to follow Paul.

 

[Major1]

The Sabbath was created at the end of Creation week by God Himself--long before there was a Jew. The Sabbath was made for man---Jesus did not say it was made for the Jew.
Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Now where in the New Test. are the Scriptures that tell us to worship on the Sabbath?

There are no commandments or exhortations or directions in the New Testament for us to keep the Sabbath. Rather, the early church gathered on the first day of the week in celebration and remembrance of the resurrection.

 

[mmksparbud]

LOL!

A perfect example of BURGER KING theology...…..YOU can have it your way!

In other words, when you do not like what God said, just change it to mean what YOU want to believe.

My dear friend, The Bible does NOT say in the forehead AND the hand in Revelation 13:16....It says
"HE also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands OR on their foreheads".

HE is a personal pronoun stiulating a person anf not a DAY or an event.
OR means one or the other but not both.

Doesn't is scare you to purposefully change the Word of God in such an obviouse manner????

It's called using the bible to explain itself instead of coming up with your own theories. Revelation and Daniel are best read together--they overlap.

Ooppsss-bummer--I did mess up on the OR---I forgot. Sorry about that. Yes, it still means the command is accepted in the mind, meaning it is a believe in it, in the hand is an outward conformity. The meaning is the same. The point is that the command is to be obeyed and it doesn't matter whether it is an outward conformity or a heartfelt one. The seal of God is only in the forehead--He reads the heart and it requires conformity to Him from the heart.

 

[Major1]

It's called using the bible to explain itself instead of coming up with your own theories. Revelation and Daniel are best read together--they overlap.

Ooppsss-bummer--I did mess up on the OR---I forgot. Sorry about that. Yes, it still means the command is accepted in the mind, meaning it is a believe in it, in the hand is an outward conformity. The meaning is the same. The point is that the command is to be obeyed and it doesn't matter whether it is an outward conformity or a heartfelt one. The seal of God is only in the forehead--He reads the heart and it requires conformity to Him from the heart.

I am sorry my friend but I for can not accept your thesis. YOU are wrong and I showed you actual word that says "OR".

The Mark of the Beast is placed on the FOREHEAD OR THE ARM.

IF you were using your Bible in the exegetically way, we would not be having this conversation at all.

 

[klutedavid]

Hello mmksparbud.

You made some comments below.

The Sabbath was created at the end of Creation week by God Himself--long before there was a Jew.

If you read the text carefully, God rested on the seventh day. There is no mention in the Genesis text of a legal requirement for anyone to rest on the seventh day. Your confusing the written Sabbath requirement that the Jews were under at Mt Sinai, with the Genesis text.

The Sabbath was made for man---Jesus did not say it was made for the Jew.

Here is where you are confused. The Jew, any descendant of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, was forbidden from working on the Sabbath. A Gentile not living in Israel was not bound by the law of Mt Sinai. Never has a Gentile received the death penalty for not obeying the Sabbath.

Written Sabbath law applied strictly to the Jews. Your extrapolating and applying the written law to Gentiles, this is beyond the instruction in Exodus.

Your confusion arises because you do not understand the context that the scripture contains.

 

[mmksparbud]

Now where in the New Test. are the Scriptures that tell us to worship on the Sabbath?

There are no commandments or exhortations or directions in the New Testament for us to keep the Sabbath. Rather, the early church gathered on the first day of the week in celebration and remembrance of the resurrection.

Didn't need to, Jesus and the disciples and all first Christians were Jews, they kept the Sabbath. What matters is that there is nothing that states---the Sabbath is now changed to the 1st day of the week in celebration of the resurrection. There was one blaze of a fight when the rite of circumcision had to go--you think something as important as one of the commandments (circumcision was never one of the 10)--would have had it mentioned. The disciples were till keeping the Sabbath after the resurrection. There is no mention that they were gathering for the express purpose of worship or celebration. The were still going to the synagogues on Sabbath and it wasn't because the Jews were there for they spoke to the gentiles then also and never once told the gentiles to come back on Sunday. The other mention of them meeting was when the boy fell dead and that was on a Saturday night--which marks the beginning of the 1st day of the week, It was by Jewish reckoning, the 1st day of the week, it was a Saturday night (Sunday)supper meeting before he went on a long journey and was saying goodbye. Paul preached after supper until midnight. After raising the boy that fell they ate again and Paul departed--being still Sunday. If Paul had kept Sunday, he would not have traveled on Sunday.

 

[mmksparbud]

I am sorry my friend but I for can not accept your thesis. YOU are wrong and I showed you actual word that says "OR".

The Mark of the Beast is placed on the FOREHEAD OR THE ARM.

IF you were using your Bible in the exegetically way, we would not be having this conversation at all.

Yes--I acknowledged that and that doesn't change the meaning of any of it at all. And it doesn't say ARM as you say--it says HAND. But--as you see--it is a simple mistake that anyone can make! Doesn't change the meaning.

 

[klutedavid]

It's called using the bible to explain itself instead of coming up with your own theories. Revelation and Daniel are best read together--they overlap.

Ooppsss-bummer--I did mess up on the OR---I forgot. Sorry about that. Yes, it still means the command is accepted in the mind, meaning it is a believe in it, in the hand is an outward conformity. The meaning is the same. The point is that the command is to be obeyed and it doesn't matter whether it is an outward conformity or a heartfelt one. The seal of God is only in the forehead--He reads the heart and it requires conformity to Him from the heart.

When you read the New Testament you may not notice a transition. The Gospel at first is thoroughly Jewish, the early believers met at the temple in Jerusalem. As time goes by the believers met in houses and not at the temple.

Then the Gospel goes to the Gentiles many years after Pentecost. This created some confusion of course among the Jewish believers.

What are the legal requirements for the Gentiles? Are Gentiles under the written law?

If you read Acts 15 carefully, we see that this issue was dealt with. Avoid sexual immorality and do not offend the Jews with your dietary habits.

If Acts 15 had said, the Gentiles must obey the law, then you would have a valid argument.

Gentiles were never told they were under the law, in fact, Gentiles are told numerous times that they are not under the law.

 

[Major1]

Didn't need to, Jesus and the disciples and all first Christians were Jews, they kept the Sabbath. What matters is that there is nothing that states---the Sabbath is now changed to the 1st day of the week in celebration of the resurrection. There was one blaze of a fight when the rite of circumcision had to go--you think something as important as one of the commandments (circumcision was never one of the 10)--would have had it mentioned. The disciples were till keeping the Sabbath after the resurrection. There is no mention that they were gathering for the express purpose of worship or celebration. The were still going to the synagogues on Sabbath and it wasn't because the Jews were there for they spoke to the gentiles then also and never once told the gentiles to come back on Sunday. The other mention of them meeting was when the boy fell dead and that was on a Saturday night--which marks the beginning of the 1st day of the week, It was by Jewish reckoning, the 1st day of the week, it was a Saturday night (Sunday)supper meeting before he went on a long journey and was saying goodbye. Paul preached after supper until midnight. After raising the boy that fell they ate again and Paul departed--being still Sunday. If Paul had kept Sunday, he would not have traveled on Sunday.

Again, and with all due respect my friend, your are incorrect....again.

The early church met on Sunday regularly (Acts 20:7; 1 Corinthians 16:2).

Sunday worship was further hallowed by our Lord who appeared to John in that last great vision on "the Lord's day" (Revelation 1:10).

 

[mmksparbud]

Hello mmksparbud.

You made some comments below.

If you read the text carefully, God rested on the seventh day. There is no mention in the Genesis text of a legal requirement for anyone to rest on the seventh day. Your confusing the written Sabbath requirement that the Jews were under at Mt Sinai, with the Genesis text.

Here is where you are confused. The Jew, any descendant of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, was forbidden from working on the Sabbath. A Gentile not living in Israel was not bound by the law of Mt Sinai. Never has a Gentile received the death penalty for not obeying the Sabbath.

Written Sabbath law applied strictly to the Jews. Your extrapolating and applying the written law to Gentiles, this is beyond the instruction in Exodus.

Your confusion arises because you do not understand the context that the scripture contains.

The Sabbath was made for man--not for God--God doesn't need the rest. There is no confusion and even when it was repeated on Mt Sinai--God said --Remember--they had been in Egypt for over 400 years and needed to be reminded of many things. The Sabbath was already in affect before Mt Sinai as the manna came before the mount and it was withheld every Sabbath. The Sabbath is no more strictly for the Jew than any of the other 10--did the commands to not murder apply only to the Jew--how about adultery--only to the Jew? Stealing--only to the Jew? Not taking His name in vain--Only to the Jew?? God said in Exodus again that the Sabbath was in commemoration of His creation.
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.