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Make sure you are clear on this. I DO NOT CARE one iota who accepts or rejects what I post on this forum.
The Bible is always right and your SDA interpretations as given to you by Mres. Ellen White are wrong.
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Make sure you are clear on this. I DO NOT CARE one iota who accepts or rejects what I post
I do not have an agenda .
you are posting on a thread that has a certain title.. you know that right?
And you keep posting in harmony with your statement above - that you do not care if your posts are less-than-compelling summations of your claim "I am right -- you are wrong" without any response to the Bible texts posted.
I think we can all agree with you on at least that part.
If that is the case, why do you then think I have posted Scriptures which show that you misunderstand those Scriptures.
Isa 1:13-14......
"Bring your worthless offerings no longer, Incense is an abomination to Me. New moon and Sabbath, the calling of assemblies- I cannot endure iniquity and the solemn assembly. I hate your new moon festivals and your appointed feasts. They have become a burden to Me."
Such is never said of any moral command anywhere in the Bible!
The ten commandments are in the book of law, the book of the covenant. That old covenant between God and Israel was definitely a covenant of works.Soooo----not steaking is works??? Murder? What the 10 co0mmandments are---laws of love--the first 4 dseal with our love for God, the last 6 love for man. God only requires 4 to show our love for Him---why do yo90u want to cut that down to 3? You don't think that loving God by keeping what He has commandment is needed?
Joh_14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Joh_14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Joh_15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
Why do you think that Jesus has thrown out these verses which deal with love?
Heb 4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
Heb 4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
I think you might like to correct that post.I do not have an agenda as do you but instead I simply follow and accept the Word of God and not the dogmas of men.
Hebrews 8:13The 4th was never a shadow of things to come---it points backwards---to creation. And do you too consider that it is now OK to commit murder or break any of the other commandments, or is it just the 4th you don't think that God means?
I see that my bank account is quite safe. I do feel sorry if you actually think that your beliefs derive only from what is written in the Bible.
God wrote, "Thou shalt not kindle a fire on the Sabbath." What He has written cannot be changed, according to you. However, we are in complete agreement that His unalterable commandment does not apply to either you or myself and we are quite free to cook our meals over a fire every day of the week.
Hebrews 8:13
When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.
What was the old covenant that the author of Hebrews was referring to?
Was that the book of the law?
The law written on the heart is what the Holy Spirit writes on our heart.As it is very clear when reading His word, said long before the new covenant was installed at His crucifixion:
The New Covenant
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
He has written them in our heart. The 10 have nothing to do with the ceremonial laws, which mostly required the blood of animals---quite obviously no longer needed for Jesus is the Lamb, slain from the foundation of the world--It is His blood that cleanses us now.
Read it again.As it is very clear when reading His word, said long before the new covenant was installed at His crucifixion:
The New Covenant
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
He has written them in our heart. The 10 have nothing to do with the ceremonial laws, which mostly required the blood of animals---quite obviously no longer needed for Jesus is the Lamb, slain from the foundation of the world--It is His blood that cleanses us now.
Read it again.
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt;
Not according to the covenant that i made with their fathers...
Exodus 24:7-8
Then he took the book of the covenant and read it in the hearing of the people; and they said, “All that the Lord has spoken we will do, and we will be obedient!” So Moses took the blood and sprinkled it on the people, and said, “Behold the blood of the covenant, which the Lord has made with you in accordance with all these words.”
The book of the covenant is the ten commandments, is the book of the law.
The old covenant was the covenant of the book, the covenant of the book of the law!Read it again:
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
The new covenant is the law written in the heart---plain and simple. You are free to believe whatever you want. You will never answer to any SDA----we all will answer to God.
The old covenant was the covenant of the book, the covenant of the book of the law!
Israel replied, we will do it.
Israel was in that old covenant and that covenant, the book of the law, has passed.
We are in a new covenant now, a covenant written in Christ's blood. The old covenant book of the law was the shadow.
Take and eat the meat from a cloven hoof.
And we can eat PORK RIBS barbequed !!!!!!
Sda says that EW is the Infallible interpreter of the bible, how is that scriptures only? And isnt the infallible teacher the Holy Spirit Himself?I on the other hand actually prefer the sola scriptura model.
To each his/her own.
Jesus kept Sabbath, as he was under the OC, fulfilled it, now under New One, and Sabbath NEVER given to the Church!Here we go again---the Sabbath as God intended and Jesus kept it reads:
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Now---where do you see anything about kindling a fire? No one, unless your camping, has kindled a fire in centuries. It involved gathering tiny little sticks and other small debris that burn quickly and flint rocks and it was quite an ordeal---Not exactly flipping a switch. They got around that, and still do by lighting a fire before sundown and keeping it going, today they just leave the lights on! It is the intent of the Sabbath that God wants-=-a day to meet together in worship of Him, to let go of the things of this world and concentrate on Him, to rest body and soul in Him.
Isa_58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
This is the spirit of the law---and for our own good. It is not to be confused with what the Rabbis' later made of it---counting steps even. Jesus did none of that---that is why He was accused of breaking the sabbath, He broke the Rabbis' laws---never the Fathers laws---which, by the way, He Himself wrote with His own finger. That is why He can say---He is Lord of the Sabbath.
This is the bible---nothing to do with EGW!
Official Sda doctrine is that EW understanding of the Bible must be the official position, due to her being the Spirit of Prophecy!You failed to follow up on Canright---that was proven false years and years ago. Again. You are not going by actual church doctrines, but by the words of others. Go I only go to the works of anti-Mormons to find out what they are sayi8n g, then I go directly to the Mormon official site for what they have to day. Same for any denomination, never go by the anti-sites. Go to the actual source of information if you want to know what is actually taught and believed!! Seems only right, but most people just go to anti-sites without ever bothering to find out if they are accurate or not then go around spreading stuff that is not true. I have done my own research on the LDS, through LDS believers and their own site, not by the anti-Mormon. They do not need any help from the anti-Mormon, there is enough in their own writings!
Jesus kept Sabbath, as he was under the OC, fulfilled it, now under New One, and Sabbath NEVER given to the Church!
Official Sda doctrine is that EW understanding of the Bible must be the official position, due to her being the Spirit of Prophecy!
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