How does one come to believe something?

[bhsmte]

What are we talking about?

Just what i said.

 

[ScottA]

No one is going to, because you're unable to give a good reason to believe.

Here is the reason: Because you want to live.

People simply don't know that living in this world is actually a slow death, and for those who come to that realization, there is a way out.

 

[bhsmte]

Here is the reason: Because you want to live.

People simply don't know that living in this world is actually a slow death, and for those who come to that realization, there is a way out.

Prove it.

 

[ScottA]

Prove it.

You'll have to wait - well...you don't actually have to wait - but, then again, you are quite insistent.

 

[bhsmte]

You'll have to wait - well...you don't actually have to wait - but, then again, you are quite insistent.

Do you have to wait for proof?

 

[ToddNotTodd]

Here is the reason: Because you want to live.

People simply don't know that living in this world is actually a slow death, and for those who come to that realization, there is a way out.

No one has a reason to believe that you have any knowledge of any "way out". Your unsubstantiated claims are on the same level as any other unsubstantiated claim, no matter how ridiculous they might sound.

 

[quatona]

What you may (apparently) not realize is that living in the world was and is a death sentence. Because of what happened before the foundation of the world, what we call life, is rather the walking dead - a slow death. What we have been saying...is there is an appeal that we can make to have our sentence pardoned. It happens during these times while one is still a member of the walking dead, still prisoners: We can become a new, eternal, spiritual, creation that is born within us that never dies...and when the end of this sentence is fulfilled, we can return home.

So, what I have been saying is...we have been talking to you as the living talking to the dead - because that is exactly the truth of it. And, if you do allow for that new creation to be born within you - it is that new you that can see what we have been telling you.

Yeah, that´s what you and the mouse in your pocket are claiming.
This was not the discussion, though. You asked me how I´d communicate with a dead person.

 

[ScottA]

Do you have to wait for proof?

No.

 

[ScottA]

No one has a reason to believe that you have any knowledge of any "way out". Your unsubstantiated claims are on the same level as any other unsubstantiated claim, no matter how ridiculous they might sound.

Fine.

 

[bhsmte]

No.

Thats cool.

 

[ScottA]

Yeah, that´s what you and the mouse in your pocket are claiming.
This was not the discussion, though. You asked me how I´d communicate with a dead person.

You are not the one directing the conversation - limiting it maybe - but not directing it.

If you have been following along, communicating with a dead person was my analogy...and by your own words, I should not even try to communicate with you (in light of my explanation about the reality of this world). But having been where you now are and come through it, I have compassion for you, and have been attempting to share the bigger picture...and I have explained the limits, to be yours.

If you do not believe me, so be it. Walk away.

 

[quatona]

You are not the one directing the conversation - limiting it maybe - but not directing it.

You asked me a question, I answered it, and you ignored the answer and moved on to a completely different topic.

If you have been following along, communicating with a dead person was my analogy...

Yes. So let´s stick to it.

and by your own words, I should not even try to communicate with you

No, these weren´t my words. I answered your question how I would communicate with a dead person, and my answer was: I wouldn´t, because it´s ridiculously pointless.

Now, if you feel there´s a point in talking to dead persons and particularly in telling dead persons that they are dead....

 

[HitchSlap]

and I have explained the limits, to be yours.

Yeah... I'm really not so sure you've done this.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

... it has happened to me personally. As such, I can indeed tell you of it, but can only tell you - you cannot leave the grave you are in to actually see what I am talking about, unless you too, die to your physical self and are born out of this world and into the greater realm of God.

OK, tell me of it now; I'm quite happy wait until I'm 'dead to my physical self' before I see it.

Believe it or not.

I can believe that you think you've died to your physical self, left the grave of this world, seen a greater realm, and been reborn more special than ever. Quite a few people seem to have that belief in one form or another. In the 1960's Timothy Leary positively encouraged it...

 

[ScottA]

You asked me a question, I answered it, and you ignored the answer and moved on to a completely different topic.


Yes. So let´s stick to it.

No, these weren´t my words. I answered your question how I would communicate with a dead person, and my answer was: I wouldn´t, because it´s ridiculously pointless.

Now, if you feel there´s a point in talking to dead persons and particularly in telling dead persons that they are dead....

I was never not sticking to it. The disconnect, is that you thought it was ridiculous.

The "point in talking to a dead person", then....is that all people are in the process of dying, i.e., walking through life in a process of slow death. Life in this world = death.

On the contrary, I have been telling you about a different path leading to life, rather than death.

 

[HitchSlap]

On the contrary, I have been telling you about a different path leading to life, rather than death.

I think this is the part where most of us feel you haven't met your burden of proof.

 

[quatona]

The "point in talking to a dead person", then....is that all people are in the process of dying, i.e., walking through life in a process of slow death. Life in this world = death.

Being "in the process of dying" isn´t "being dead".

 

[Arsenios]

Paying attention is a start. What then after you've observed something?
What's the best way to evaluate if you're being fooled or not?

I do not restrict paying attention to some-THINGS...

So let's say I observe a person running into a burning building...

Is your question now: "What then?"

Or I observe a person yelling in an intersection all by himself...

What then?

Or would you prefer that I observe a red apple on a table and we can discuss colors and shapes?

Arsenios

 

[HitchSlap]

I do not restrict paying attention to some-THINGS...

So let's say I observe a person running into a burning building...

Is your question now: "What then?"

Or I observe a person yelling in an intersection all by himself...

What then?

Or would you prefer that I observe a red apple on a table and we can discuss colors and shapes?

Arsenios

Take any one of your examples, and please explain how you would determine if they are true, or not.

 

[ScottA]

I think this is the part where most of us feel you haven't met your burden of proof.

I understand that it would be nice to view the burden as mine...but my burden is lifted. No, the burden is on you - not to prove the matter as if we were in a competition, but because it is you who seek a prove you do not have.