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The problem you have with this is that you cannot prove a negative...
By taking God out of the material realm of proof...
You have no evidence that He does NOT exist...
So your argument is self-eliminating...
And that's no shinanigans!
Arsenios
How do you know all of this?
I've never claimed no god exists. You logically have the burden of proof.
I've never claimed no god exists.
And I can only tell you where He is found...
The evidence is the change in the lives of those finding Him...
Psychotherapeutics is a distant also-ran...
Arsenios
I can still prove, by the way, that God does not exist...
And God agrees with me...
He is the GIVER of existence...
And the TAKER AWAY of existence...
THEREFORE...
He neither exists nor doesn't exist...
But is the CAUSE of both...
quid, erat, splat!
Arsenios
I'm still waiting on any good evidence that any god exists.
You realize that wasn't an argument at all, right?
I know - And I keep telling you that the evidence is found empirically within one's self...
Try this: Can you prove that your mind exists?
Arsenios
It is hard to argue transcendence with a materialist, OK?
Arsenios
So, do you have any good evidence that any god exists that can be shared with other people? Because if you can't, then I have no reason to believe any claims you have.
So, do you have any good evidence that any god exists that can be shared with other people? Because if you can't, then I have no reason to believe any claims you have.
The evidence is to be found in the Christian lives that know God...
It is a qualitative assessment...
And, I should add, in the consistency of their witness...
I could add their martyric witness...
The hagiographic record is vast...
But all of this kind of witness is but derivative...
The primary proof is to be found in an encounter with God within one's self...
Just as your primary proof of the existence of your mind is found within your self...'
It is not found in eeg readouts and social affirmations...
Arsenios
OK - So back at you!
Tell me...
What kind of evidence would you accept?
Arsenios
I can give evidence that my mind exists, sure.
A mind is an emergent property of a brain.
my brain can be scanned while I'm awake
and the resulting data can be compared to other people to show a commonality.
Non fallacious evidence. Evidence that can be corroborated.
Would you care to prove your consciousness exists?
The point is that I have good evidence that can be shared with other people. The consistent stories of changed lives appear in every religion. It's not good evidence.
First hand accounts that have consistency have your corroboration...
But you are looking for and insisting upon external evidence for an internal encounter...
Are you willing to have an internal encounter?
Arsenios
Good evidence is where we can get 5 PhD's counting billiard balls and writing it up in a scientific journal??
Arsenios
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