How do you rid yourself of temptation?

[stuart lawrence]

Two verses have been used out of context. The whole passage needs to be read.
The true blessing is being limited and hidden by your interpretation. Who benefits from this?

Would you like to answer the questions i put to Antletems?
Those verses are quoted from the prophecy in Jeremiah when the new covenant is being spoken of. Without doubt the core foundation on which the new covenant is built is in those verses. What is your understanding of the foundation of the new covenant as described in those verses?

 

[AllanV]

Would you like to answer the questions i put to Antletems?
Those verses are quoted from the prophecy in Jeremiah when the new covenant is being spoken of. Without doubt the core foundation on which the new covenant is built is in those verses. What is your understanding of the foundation of the new covenant as described in those verses?

At 26 years an experience of God occurred during a good life style on a rural property. My mind was opened up to know the existence of God and the realization occurred that immortality is entirely possible. Jesus truly walked the earth. There is a life force that enters but is corrupted to some extent by the natural mind. The individual has a messed up personality with attachments and faulty thoughts and expresses words from impure inner workings. The cells are then prone to oxidizing as the biology is the focus and final death occurs with disease at some point in time.

There is a barrier in the natural mind that closes off any ability to see beyond and deeper than the mind developed from life experience in a biological form. The mind is formed and has a developed self belief that is empowered by the will separate from God. Humans have an ability to get into the minds of others to stir up responses and reactions that can be seen as feelings within the body, and a familiar brain and mind. A person has to be emotionally strong and hard headed or hard in the heart to interact. A personal empowered self belief and the words that are expressed from that belief hides God.

The prophet Samuel said rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft and stubbornness is as the sin of idolatry. Rebellion is the human condition and is separation from God. Witchcraft is an ability to interfere with the power and belief in others. There is a bonding in the mind with others by a familiarity of responses that have been learned. Stubbornness is when a person places own opinions first and they become set as idols in the mind. There is a case where a person is being futile and in their own mind only.

God covers Himself with light as with a garment. The electromagnetic spectrum is the Eternal God's covering. God is in the binding force of the atom. The Eternal God is an energizing Spirit. God makes everything appear at every instant. God is close at hand and not far off. God is known with the potential of immortality, a little deeper and just beyond the mind that is usually thought from. As the apostle Paul said "We live and move and have our being in God."

Read the whole of Hebrews in context and also Philippians.

 

[stuart lawrence]

At 26 years an experience of God occurred during a good life style on a rural property. My mind was opened up to know the existence of God and the realization occurred that immortality is entirely possible. Jesus truly walked the earth. There is a life force that enters but is corrupted to some extent by the natural mind. The individual has a messed up personality with attachments and faulty thoughts and expresses words from impure inner workings. The cells are then prone to oxidizing as the biology is the focus and final death occurs with disease at some point in time.

There is a barrier in the natural mind that closes off any ability to see beyond and deeper than the mind developed from life experience in a biological form. The mind is formed and has a developed self belief that is empowered by the will separate from God. Humans have an ability to get into the minds of others to stir up responses and reactions that can be seen as feelings within the body, and a familiar brain and mind. A person has to be emotionally strong and hard headed or hard in the heart to interact. A personal empowered self belief and the words that are expressed from that belief hides God.

The prophet Samuel said rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft and stubbornness is as the sin of idolatry. Rebellion is the human condition and is separation from God. Witchcraft is an ability to interfere with the power and belief in others. There is a bonding in the mind with others by a familiarity of responses that have been learned. Stubbornness is when a person places own opinions first and they become set as idols in the mind. There is a case where a person is being futile and in their own mind only.

God covers Himself with light as with a garment. The electromagnetic spectrum is the Eternal God's covering. God is in the binding force of the atom. The Eternal God is an energizing Spirit. God makes everything appear at every instant. God is close at hand and not far off. God is known with the potential of immortality, a little deeper and just beyond the mind that is usually thought from. As the apostle Paul said "We live and move and have our being in God."

Read the whole of Hebrews in context and also Philippians.

You decided not to answer the two questions put to Antletems.
Assuredly those verses are the core foundation on which the new covenant is built. That is plain.
Why are you so reticent to give your opinion as to what that core foundation means? I am left wondering if you even have an opinion. Otherwise surely you would share it.
Jesus said if we do not lay the correct foundation the house will collapse.
The foundation of the covenant the christian is under is in those verses of scripture
I would sincerely advise you to come to an understanding of that on which the new covenant stands before moving on to other things

 

[AllanV]

You decided not to answer the two questions put to Antletems.
Assuredly those verses are the core foundation on which the new covenant is built. That is plain.
Why are you so reticent to give your opinion as to what that core foundation means? I am left wondering if you even have an opinion. Otherwise surely you would share it.
Jesus said if we do not lay the correct foundation the house will collapse.
The foundation of the covenant the christian is under is in those verses of scripture
I would sincerely advise you to come to an understanding of that on which the new covenant stands before moving on to other things

At 40 during a fast, that began as a three day health fast, the Bible was read and a preacher Derek Prince was listened to twice a day for 20 minutes from a recording on a Christian radio station. At the beginning he improved my receptiveness to the spirit but later as time progressed his energy did begin to hold my progress back.
My mind was increasingly, totally focused on spiritual things.
I briefly prayed three times a day to be pure and clean and holy. There was a sense of change and when all old thoughts were pushed out of my mind the power of spirit increased. Thoughts from the mind were spoken out as revelation. Words read from scripture became noticeably empowered and this increases faith. Hearing another person speaking with the same empowerment also increases faith. Faith is the same power that is behind the manifestation of everything seen. A person with faith could actually move mountains. A person of faith is connected to God and He manifests everything seen at every moment.
Because the Spirit energized the words when they were spoken the changes within the mind became more established. The mind was going to a deeper place progressively. It was not easy it was a struggle. Some attitudes in the mind had to be renounced as they were seen. The mind cannot be allowed to drift off into imagination and memories of other personalities of friends and family and also events had to be replaced with scripture and speaking out an empowered word.
After 3 weeks into the fast my mind came under an attack as all the attachments in the personality were seen for what they were. Mind sets or fixtures are demonic influence within the personality and tempt a person and enslave the will to the point it is impossible to resist them. The will separated from God is what drives a persons life and it is behind a personal self belief and the life that is constructed. But there are attachments on it and are seen in a hard heart. These personality traits are easily seen in others but not so easily seen in own self. In desperation a prayer was offered and it all dissipated and disappeared.
The next evening during a prayer I broke inwardly very deeply and then became covered with something like tissue paper with the same, almost indiscernible change but this covered the last pieces of my old nature. There was complete purity and perfection and there was a covering of the divine nature. This is more gentle and quiet than can be comprehended in the natural mind. I went downstairs to where my family were and stood quietly as my heart became very sensitive around its periphery. It seemed as though the release from my old personality had changed my heart. An exquisite melody played within my chest and then when I spoke it was revelation. God was completely indwelling and energizing the Love in the new nature.
Nothing sinister was presented and this way is indeed a new and living way.

All the scriptures are translated and then rendered to get the best and most faithful meaning. Over time there are many different translations and some different Church groups offer their own.
If the natural mind with attachments renders the translation then it would only be done in a way to satisfy that. The actual true meaning the Spirit conveys would be lost. There would only be an intellectual meaning of interpretation and the true depth would be lost. The mind would slip into an intellectual understanding only and this holds the mind back from Knowing God as He requests.

understanding what has happened to true believers then the conclusion is the scriptures would not exist if they could not be used to deceive. True believers have been killed in the past and they will be in the future no doubt, but the bible is allowed to stay and why would that be.
Christianity it is similar to the tower of Babel concerning interpretation.

The correct foundation must not be drawn from human understanding with its imperfection and impurity.
Over many years many different interpretations of scriptures including grace have been noticed.
Where do you get your understanding from?

 

[stuart lawrence]

At 40 during a fast, that began as a three day health fast, the Bible was read and a preacher Derek Prince was listened to twice a day for 20 minutes from a recording on a Christian radio station. At the beginning he improved my receptiveness to the spirit but later as time progressed his energy did begin to hold my progress back.
My mind was increasingly, totally focused on spiritual things.
I briefly prayed three times a day to be pure and clean and holy. There was a sense of change and when all old thoughts were pushed out of my mind the power of spirit increased. Thoughts from the mind were spoken out as revelation. Words read from scripture became noticeably empowered and this increases faith. Hearing another person speaking with the same empowerment also increases faith. Faith is the same power that is behind the manifestation of everything seen. A person with faith could actually move mountains. A person of faith is connected to God and He manifests everything seen at every moment.
Because the Spirit energized the words when they were spoken the changes within the mind became more established. The mind was going to a deeper place progressively. It was not easy it was a struggle. Some attitudes in the mind had to be renounced as they were seen. The mind cannot be allowed to drift off into imagination and memories of other personalities of friends and family and also events had to be replaced with scripture and speaking out an empowered word.
After 3 weeks into the fast my mind came under an attack as all the attachments in the personality were seen for what they were. Mind sets or fixtures are demonic influence within the personality and tempt a person and enslave the will to the point it is impossible to resist them. The will separated from God is what drives a persons life and it is behind a personal self belief and the life that is constructed. But there are attachments on it and are seen in a hard heart. These personality traits are easily seen in others but not so easily seen in own self. In desperation a prayer was offered and it all dissipated and disappeared.
The next evening during a prayer I broke inwardly very deeply and then became covered with something like tissue paper with the same, almost indiscernible change but this covered the last pieces of my old nature. There was complete purity and perfection and there was a covering of the divine nature. This is more gentle and quiet than can be comprehended in the natural mind. I went downstairs to where my family were and stood quietly as my heart became very sensitive around its periphery. It seemed as though the release from my old personality had changed my heart. An exquisite melody played within my chest and then when I spoke it was revelation. God was completely indwelling and energizing the Love in the new nature.
Nothing sinister was presented and this way is indeed a new and living way.

All the scriptures are translated and then rendered to get the best and most faithful meaning. Over time there are many different translations and some different Church groups offer their own.
If the natural mind with attachments renders the translation then it would only be done in a way to satisfy that. The actual true meaning the Spirit conveys would be lost. There would only be an intellectual meaning of interpretation and the true depth would be lost. The mind would slip into an intellectual understanding only and this holds the mind back from Knowing God as He requests.

understanding what has happened to true believers then the conclusion is the scriptures would not exist if they could not be used to deceive. True believers have been killed in the past and they will be in the future no doubt, but the bible is allowed to stay and why would that be.
Christianity it is similar to the tower of Babel concerning interpretation.

The correct foundation must not be drawn from human understanding with its imperfection and impurity.
Over many years many different interpretations of scriptures including grace have been noticed.
Where do you get your understanding from?

You don't know the meaning of heb 10:16&17 do you.
The holy spirit leads into truth, and assuredly he would want every christian to understand the foundation on which the new covenant is built.
You don't understand, you respond with long posts that do not answer the simple questions.
The holy spirit leads me into truth, he is the only one who can.
Why has he not given you the explanation of those verses?
I can assure you the holy spirit did not lead you to believe you had reached complete purity and perfection. But the heart is deceitful as the bible tells us it is

 

[aiki]

Do you think that we can sit back and let God do all the work? Do you think we need do nothing? Do you think we can go on sinning thinking its fine as God is ok about it?

Have I even once said anything like "we can go on sinning thinking its fine" in this thread? NO. My whole purpose in writing was to help you find the way to be free of the power of sin in your life. Somehow you've got my words all twisted in your thinking and have arrived at the totally wrong notion that I'm telling you to sit on your hands and do absolutely nothing. Where did you get that from what I wrote? I've told you that you must do a number of things: acknowledge your weakness, surrender to God, reckon yourself dead to sin, stand on the truth of your identity in Christ, and act in accord with this truth. How is this doing nothing? You aren't a puppet. But as I said, you can only work out what God has first worked in you by His Spirit.

Jesus said the gate is narrow. Do you not understand that the way is hard? We have to bear and carry our crosses. You cannot sit back and expect God to carry us without us doing our bit!

You aren't carefully thinking about what Jesus said. Let me quote him for you:

Matthew 7:13-14
13 "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.
14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

Who or what is the gate? Who or what is the life? Do you know? It's Jesus! He is the "door to the sheepfold" (Jn. 10:7, 9) and he is the "way, the Truth, and the Life." (Jn. 14:6) What is he saying in Matthew 7:13, 14, then? Is he saying that living as a Christian is narrow and difficult? NO. He is saying the gate to spiritual and eternal life is only a single gate: Jesus himself. And the way to that gate is difficult because it requires we yield up our own will and way to Christ. But once we have entered through the gate who is Christ into the life that is in him (1Jn. 5:11-13), we find the rest and easiness that Jesus promised (Matt. 11:28-30). What Jesus is talking about, then, in Matthew 7 is the process to salvation, not the life that comes out of salvation.

I don't know who has been teaching you about the Christian life but they have been doing a terrible job!

Selah.

 

[aiki]

Also, Antletems, why did you not answer my questions in post #297? Are you not able? If not, why are you resistant to what I'm telling you? If you can't show that I'm mistaken in what I'm telling you, why are so sure that I am? Do you not see how irrational this is?

Anyway, I've said all I think I should say. It's between you and God what you do with the truth I've shared with you. I hope you'll be wise and begin to practice the things I've explained to you. They are the basics of Christian living. If you don't understand the things I've told you, there is simply no way you'll ever live a life that isn't dominated by sin.

I have and will be praying for you.

Selah.

 

[AllanV]

You don't know the meaning of heb 10:16&17 do you.
The holy spirit leads into truth, and assuredly he would want every christian to understand the foundation on which the new covenant is built.
You don't understand, you respond with long posts that do not answer the simple questions.
The holy spirit leads me into truth, he is the only one who can.
Why has he not given you the explanation of those verses?
I can assure you the holy spirit did not lead you to believe you had reached complete purity and perfection. But the heart is deceitful as the bible tells us it is

You can not assure me of much at all, the experience is real and this is the cross of Christ.
There are different gifts and you are acting like most pastors who want to play every part and it is usually in their own power only. A personal controlling attitude is prone to pride.

I went into churches for 14 years and the Spirit became somewhat depleted. There was no Love as first experienced at 26, But much more is understood now.

You do not come across as a very pleasant person do you. This is not for you it is for others who read it. I am searching for brothers and sisters in Christ. Apart from that there are many who have problems and can be released from their sin just as I am and then go onto the goal of Love and the fullness of God in anticipation of the return of the King.

There are enemies of the cross of Christ even among those who accept the message about Jesus. The Apostle Paul writes about those who are believers but are still enemies of the cross of Christ. They are not enemies of Christ but of the Cross.

Those who are regularly lead by the Spirit they are the sons of God.
They are not under law but under the law of liberty and under grace and that will take a person to the goal of Love. Those not lead by the Spirit they are under the law.
The end goal is Love a new convert has not achieved this and this can not be gained by reading scriptures. It is a supernatural event where an individual becomes complete and crosses over from own separate will to being in the will of God.
God cannot energize the Love except it is in the divine nature. Own rebellious nature that is prone to witchcraft and has personality flaws that are demonic attachments must be exposed and expelled before the divine nature is found within a broken and contrite heart and spirit. Breaking that deeply is impossible with attachments on the personality that direct own life into all activities.


Derek Prince is very good at explaining a deliverance, I have some tapes from 1991. He has passed away now.

He relates there is a 5 fold deliverance that was not noticed for some time and then it was realized.
It is a bit long winded with side explanations and personal examples. It has been summarized.

1/ Deliverance from this evil age. Satan is the god of this age.

2/ protection from witchcraft. The modern words are hypnotic suggestion. This influences how the brain is programed. Even a cold stare is effective or a compelling seductive one they all influence the mind. The mind must eventually be renewed or a new convert will struggle and be overcome by guilt which is a ploy of Satan.

3/ expectation of Christs return. The word Christ is the same word as anointing. There is an anointing
of a person in the will of God who expresses Love that is energized by God. God is fully indwelling. Derek may not have understood what he was preaching on this one.

4/ Righteous acts of being completely sanctified and walking in a strong Love. Part of the church at the return of the Lord.

5/Expectation of a reward as winning and overcoming.

 

[AllanV]

Have I even once said anything like "we can go on sinning thinking its fine" in this thread? NO. My whole purpose in writing was to help you find the way to be free of the power of sin in your life. Somehow you've got my words all twisted in your thinking and have arrived at the totally wrong notion that I'm telling you to sit on your hands and do absolutely nothing. Where did you get that from what I wrote? I've told you that you must do a number of things: acknowledge your weakness, surrender to God, reckon yourself dead to sin, stand on the truth of your identity in Christ, and act in accord with this truth. How is this doing nothing? You aren't a puppet. But as I said, you can only work out what God has first worked in you by His Spirit.



You aren't carefully thinking about what Jesus said. Let me quote him for you:

Matthew 7:13-14
13 "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.
14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

Who or what is the gate? Who or what is the life? Do you know? It's Jesus! He is the "door to the sheepfold" (Jn. 10:7, 9) and he is the "way, the Truth, and the Life." (Jn. 14:6) What is he saying in Matthew 7:13, 14, then? Is he saying that living as a Christian is narrow and difficult? NO. He is saying the gate to spiritual and eternal life is only a single gate: Jesus himself. And the way to that gate is difficult because it requires we yield up our own will and way to Christ. But once we have entered through the gate who is Christ into the life that is in him (1Jn. 5:11-13), we find the rest and easiness that Jesus promised (Matt. 11:28-30). What Jesus is talking about, then, in Matthew 7 is the process to salvation, not the life that comes out of salvation.

I don't know who has been teaching you about the Christian life but they have been doing a terrible job!

Selah.

You are not relating any thing practical. When a person has a conversion the Spirit will lead into all truth. But suddenly every one becomes teachers.

Revelation 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

What is your conversion testimony.

 

[stuart lawrence]

You can not assure me of much at all, the experience is real and this is the cross of Christ.
There are different gifts and you are acting like most pastors who want to play every part and it is usually in their own power only. A personal controlling attitude is prone to pride.

I went into churches for 14 years and the Spirit became somewhat depleted. There was no Love as first experienced at 26, But much more is understood now.

You do not come across as a very pleasant person do you. This is not for you it is for others who read it. I am searching for brothers and sisters in Christ. Apart from that there are many who have problems and can be released from their sin just as I am and then go onto the goal of Love and the fullness of God in anticipation of the return of the King.

There are enemies of the cross of Christ even among those who accept the message about Jesus. The Apostle Paul writes about those who are believers but are still enemies of the cross of Christ. They are not enemies of Christ but of the Cross.

Those who are regularly lead by the Spirit they are the sons of God.
They are not under law but under the law of liberty and under grace and that will take a person to the goal of Love. Those not lead by the Spirit they are under the law.
The end goal is Love a new convert has not achieved this and this can not be gained by reading scriptures. It is a supernatural event where an individual becomes complete and crosses over from own separate will to being in the will of God.
God cannot energize the Love except it is in the divine nature. Own rebellious nature that is prone to witchcraft and has personality flaws that are demonic attachments must be exposed and expelled before the divine nature is found within a broken and contrite heart and spirit. Breaking that deeply is impossible with attachments on the personality that direct own life into all activities.


Derek Prince is very good at explaining a deliverance, I have some tapes from 1991. He has passed away now.

He relates there is a 5 fold deliverance that was not noticed for some time and then it was realized.
It is a bit long winded with side explanations and personal examples. It has been summarized.

1/ Deliverance from this evil age. Satan is the god of this age.

2/ protection from witchcraft. The modern words are hypnotic suggestion. This influences how the brain is programed. Even a cold stare is effective or a compelling seductive one they all influence the mind. The mind must eventually be renewed or a new convert will struggle and be overcome by guilt which is a ploy of Satan.

3/ expectation of Christs return. The word Christ is the same word as anointing. There is an anointing
of a person in the will of God who expresses Love that is energized by God. God is fully indwelling. Derek may not have understood what he was preaching on this one.

4/ ( missed this one)

5/Expectation of a reward as winning and overcoming.

If I don't come across as a pleasent person to you sobeit. I admit to, after years of spending tine on websites such as these having little patience, become cynical of many who frequent sites such as these. However, you have made many subtle unkind assertions yourself, so people I glass houses...
You think you are the exception rather than the norm don't you. You believe you have been gifted with much knowledge that few understand. You believe your knowledge I greater than most, if not nearly all ministers and your personal experiences have brought you to a wealth of knowledge and you are here to give others the benefit of that knowledge. You are not the exception! The internet is full of people who believe exactly the same thing about themselves!
However, once again you have no explanation as to the meaning of the core foundation on which the new covenant stands.
It us unarguable that God would firstly want us to understand the basics, the foundation of the covenant we are under. If we do not, we cannot correctly build without a true foundation. You ceaselessly attack my beliefs of that foundation while giving no opinion yourself as to what that foundation means in the life of a christian.
That silence says much in my view

 

[AllanV]

If I don't come across as a pleasent person to you sobeit. I admit to, after years of spending tine on websites such as these having little patience, become cynical of many who frequent sites such as these. However, you have made many subtle unkind assertions yourself, so people I glass houses...
You think you are the exception rather than the norm don't you. You believe you have been gifted with much knowledge that few understand. You believe your knowledge I greater than most, if not nearly all ministers and your personal experiences have brought you to a wealth of knowledge and you are here to give others the benefit of that knowledge. You are not the exception! The internet is full of people who believe exactly the same thing about themselves!
However, once again you have no explanation as to the meaning of the core foundation on which the new covenant stands.
It us unarguable that God would firstly want us to understand the basics, the foundation of the covenant we are under. If we do not, we cannot correctly build without a true foundation. You ceaselessly attack my beliefs of that foundation while giving no opinion yourself as to what that foundation means in the life of a christian.
That silence says much in my view

My background is engineering and my training was very good. I began full time work at 15 and with night school, about 12 hours a day 2 to 4 days a week were spent training without travel included. It was difficult but I apparently did well. When a person is well trained they have a confidence because they do work no body else can. It is not about the person it is about the job to be done.

Even people with the same skill set may not be as good at their work. It is a matter of managing personal.
There were even more difficulties with people who had no practical skills. The management of the companies worked for had the greatest problem because they liked to be in control but what I worked at was way out of their depth. Instead they tended to try and set me up with politics by upsetting the situation at a personal level and all I was doing is the work required of me to keep everything running efficiently. There would always be someone who would see my confidence that actually came from hard work and experience and there would be a try at undermining me. I was usually to busy to worry about it and that sometimes was my undoing. They obviously had too much time on their hands.
It was better as self employed and with no debt life was a bit easier.

When church became an interest at 26 it was noticed while observing only that the same situations and manner of setup was more like a workplace but a little more intimidating. It is difficult listening to someone who is sincere but has personality problems and an impure heart and prideful. His message will not stick because a mental defense will be required among the listeners. It does not reach the heart in the correct manner.

I am taught by God and he teaches very well and it is 24/7. I am not going to shrink back because of your accusations. There is supreme confidence and that supreme comes from God. It is not about a personality it is about a testimony and what it means.

 

[AllanV]

If I don't come across as a pleasent person to you sobeit. I admit to, after years of spending tine on websites such as these having little patience, become cynical of many who frequent sites such as these. However, you have made many subtle unkind assertions yourself, so people I glass houses...
You think you are the exception rather than the norm don't you. You believe you have been gifted with much knowledge that few understand. You believe your knowledge I greater than most, if not nearly all ministers and your personal experiences have brought you to a wealth of knowledge and you are here to give others the benefit of that knowledge. You are not the exception! The internet is full of people who believe exactly the same thing about themselves!
However, once again you have no explanation as to the meaning of the core foundation on which the new covenant stands.
It us unarguable that God would firstly want us to understand the basics, the foundation of the covenant we are under. If we do not, we cannot correctly build without a true foundation. You ceaselessly attack my beliefs of that foundation while giving no opinion yourself as to what that foundation means in the life of a christian.
That silence says much in my view

Everything you say indicates you have attachments on your personality. I recognize them because they are present on my self. Your own self can hide them but they are still there and when the opportunity comes along you may over react.
They need to be dealt with, it is not a case of pretending they are not there although it is a start to behave well and do the correct thing.
But I tell you there is a way into the Holy Place a new and living way beyond the veil.
It is better for me to be in the flesh so to speak because to be in Christ would mean that the comprehension required to write could not be achieved without coming back into my self. If being Holy and Perfect is apparent again I will not come back. It is too difficult to do. But this does not stop me telling others what is possible.

 

[AllanV]

You don't know the meaning of heb 10:16&17 do you.
The holy spirit leads into truth, and assuredly he would want every christian to understand the foundation on which the new covenant is built.
You don't understand, you respond with long posts that do not answer the simple questions.
The holy spirit leads me into truth, he is the only one who can.
Why has he not given you the explanation of those verses?
I can assure you the holy spirit did not lead you to believe you had reached complete purity and perfection. But the heart is deceitful as the bible tells us it is

I have already replied and said read the verses in context. If you haven't for a while it is well worth it.

 

[stuart lawrence]

My background is engineering and my training was very good. I began full time work at 15 and with night school, about 12 hours a day 2 to 4 days a week were spent training without travel included. It was difficult but I apparently did well. When a person is well trained they have a confidence because they do work no body else can. It is not about the person it is about the job to be done.

Even people with the same skill set may not be as good at their work. It is a matter of managing personal.
There were even more difficulties with people who had no practical skills. The management of the companies worked for had the greatest problem because they liked to be in control but what I worked at was way out of their depth. Instead they tended to try and set me up with politics by upsetting the situation at a personal level and all I was doing is the work required of me to keep everything running efficiently. There would always be someone who would see my confidence that actually came from hard work and experience and there would be a try at undermining me. I was usually to busy to worry about it and that sometimes was my undoing. They obviously had too much time on their hands.
It was better as self employed and with no debt life was a bit easier.

When church became an interest at 26 it was noticed while observing only that the same situations and manner of setup was more like a workplace but a little more intimidating. It is difficult listening to someone who is sincere but has personality problems and an impure heart and prideful. His message will not stick because a mental defense will be required among the listeners. It does not reach the heart in the correct manner.

I am taught by God and he teaches very well and it is 24/7. I am not going to shrink back because of your accusations. There is supreme confidence and that supreme comes from God. It is not about a personality it is about a testimony and what it means.

If you are taught by God, why have you not learned what the core of the Christian faith means? Why do you have no explanation of it?

 

[stuart lawrence]

Everything you say indicates you have attachments on your personality. I recognize them because they are present on my self. Your own self can hide them but they are still there and when the opportunity comes along you may over react.
They need to be dealt with, it is not a case of pretending they are not there although it is a start to behave well and do the correct thing.
But I tell you there is a way into the Holy Place a new and living way beyond the veil.
It is better for me to be in the flesh so to speak because to be in Christ would mean that the comprehension required to write could not be achieved without coming back into my self. If being Holy and Perfect is apparent again I will not come back. It is too difficult to do. But this does not stop me telling others what is possible.

In my view, if a person cannot comprehend the badjcs of the covenant, their views carry little weight

 

[stuart lawrence]

I have already replied and said read the verses in context. If you haven't for a while it is well worth it.

No you haven't responded to the two questions at all. You offer the classical response of a person who has to deflect answering them. Attack the questioner, deflect at length by long posts that do not address the questions asked

 

[Goatee]

The gate is obviously Jesus, i know that. What i am saying is that even as we are born again we still have to struggle through life. Its not easy like some of you have suggested. Even the holiest of people suffer with temptations.

I am willing to suffer for God. I know i cannot do anything without God.

I do think that some of the people in this thread are interpreting scripture as they see fit. I would rather go by what the Catholic church say about passages in scripture. I know, the Catholic church has the Holy Spirit guiding it.

Being born again, for me, doesn't mean that we can sin freely thinking that Jesus has forgiven these sins now or future sins without us begging for forgiveness. You cannot commit a sin thinking that its fine and dandy as Jesus has done all the hard work!

Suffering is a part of following Jesus!

 

[stuart lawrence]

The gate is obviously Jesus, i know that. What i am saying is that even as we are born again we still have to struggle through life. Its not easy like some of you have suggested. Even the holiest of people suffer with temptations.

I am willing to suffer for God. I know i cannot do anything without God.

I do think that some of the people in this thread are interpreting scripture as they see fit. I would rather go by what the Catholic church say about passages in scripture. I know, the Catholic church has the Holy Spirit guiding it.

Being born again, for me, doesn't mean that we can sin freely thinking that Jesus has forgiven these sins now or future sins without us begging for forgiveness. You cannot commit a sin thinking that its fine and dandy as Jesus has done all the hard work!

Suffering is a part of following Jesus!

You are absolutely correct. Being born again does not mean that we can sin freely
In fact, the born again christian feels great conviction o fc their sin for the law has been placed on their heart

 

[aiki]

You are not relating any thing practical. When a person has a conversion the Spirit will lead into all truth. But suddenly every one becomes teachers.

Revelation 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

What is your conversion testimony.

Allan, what I have related to Antletems is, spiritually-speaking, supremely practical - and it is extremely biblical, too. That you cannot see this speaks volumes about where you're at spiritually.

Yes, the Spirit does lead each believer into all truth and that truth is found primarily in the pages of your Bible, not in your own subjective experience.

I'm not sure what your point is in your comment about everyone becoming teachers, but this is certainly the role you've tried to adopt in this thread. In any case, Scripture tells us that God gifts certain of His children with ability to teach (Eph. 4:11) So, it isn't that the Christian believer should expect to be taught only by God's Spirit, but that they can learn from those in the Body of Christ who have been gifted as teachers, too. Much of the New Testament is men with such gifting, like the apostle Paul, telling the rest of us what's what.

The verse from Revelation 12 is a good one but you offer no explanation as to why you've offered it. Am I supposed to read your mind? Are you wanting to play a guessing game?

What is my conversion testimony? You can read the short version of it on my profile page. What has God done in my life since then? It would take endless pages to share it all. Is there something in particular you're looking for?

Selah.

 

[aiki]

The gate is obviously Jesus, i know that. What i am saying is that even as we are born again we still have to struggle through life. Its not easy like some of you have suggested. Even the holiest of people suffer with temptations.

Well, temptation can become an opportunity for God to show His power in your life. That's a good thing, don't you think? Temptation, then, doesn't have to be all about suffering - and failing. That's certainly not what the Bible says:

2 Corinthians 12:9-10
9 And He said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness." Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in needs, in persecutions, in distresses, for Christ's sake. For when I am weak, then I am strong.

What did the apostle Paul understand about walking with God that made his attitude toward his weakness so different from your own? Maybe it has something to do with the other things I've share with you from his writings.

I am willing to suffer for God. I know i cannot do anything without God.

That's great!

I do think that some of the people in this thread are interpreting scripture as they see fit. I would rather go by what the Catholic church say about passages in scripture. I know, the Catholic church has the Holy Spirit guiding it.

Ah, so you're afraid to think for yourself about Scripture? How do you know the RC church is leading you right if you don't know the Bible for yourself? This is a recipe for being deceived. Here's an interesting passage for you:

Matthew 23:8-9
8 But you, do not be called 'Rabbi'; for One is your Teacher, the Christ, and you are all brethren.
9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.

Don't you call your priest, "Father"? Interesting...

Are you aware of the history of the RC church and how often it has engaged in oppressive and evil practices? The Inquisition comes to mind...Are you aware of how often the various Popes have contradicted one another? Are you aware of how many of the traditions of the RC church are contrary to the plain teaching of the Bible? I'm sure you are not aware. But this is the problem with being so blindly trusting. I would urge you to follow the example of the "noble Bereans":

Acts 17:10-11
10 Then the brethren immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea. When they arrived, they went into the synagogue of the Jews.
11 These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so.

The Bereans did not just accept blindly the things the apostles were telling them but made a careful study of their claims for themselves. You and I ought to do the same.

Being born again, for me, doesn't mean that we can sin freely thinking that Jesus has forgiven these sins now or future sins without us begging for forgiveness. You cannot commit a sin thinking that its fine and dandy as Jesus has done all the hard work!

I'm going to be blunt, so forgive me: It doesn't matter what you or I think; it only matters what the Bible says. And what does the Bible say about being "born-again"? Well, it doesn't say we can sin willy-nilly once we're saved, but it does say that Jesus shed blood on the cross atones for all our sin.

Hebrews 7:26-27
26 For such a High Priest was fitting for us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and has become higher than the heavens;
27 who does not need daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the people's, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself.

Romans 6:10
10 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God.

Hebrews 9:12
12 Not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.

And because this is so, we don't have to "beg for forgiveness" from God. He has already forgiven us because of what Jesus did. You'll find, then, no where in the New Testament the command to "beg for forgiveness." Instead, we are told to "confess our sins" (1Jn. 1:9) and when we do, the forgiveness that is already ours in Christ is applied to us. Confession, though, is not asking for forgiveness. It means to "agree with," to admit. And when we admit to God what we have done is wrong, that it is sin, He gives to us the forgiveness that is already ours in Christ. Again, this is basic Christianity that you should already understand.

Suffering is a part of following Jesus!

But for those who love Jesus, that suffering is a joy, not a hardship!

Matthew 5:11-12
11 "Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake.
12 Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

Acts 5:41
41 So they departed from the presence of the council, rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer shame for His name.

Selah.