How do you plan to escape HELL???

[.Sabre.]

I'll just have the demons read about dualism.

 

[Eudaimonist]

I'll just have the demons read about dualism.

Good point.

If you teach them some philosophy

they will realize the cause of their suffering

and hell would become a better place.

eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

soooooooooo adorable!!!!!!
daimonizomai go SQUEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

I see a lot of sappy feel good nonsense going on around here. A whole lot of fluff and no ABSOLUTE TRUTH!

Fact: you are a sinner.

Fact: if you do not repent and become born again, you will be cast into the lake of Fire and will be burned alive for ALL ETERNITY!

Hint, hint: if you are not looking to Yeshua Messiah: you're toast!

OK what gives here. Have you only just come to faith in the past 2 years so you really have no clue that this type of approach only turns people off (after turning their stomachs)? Or has your Calvinism slipped to the point where you actually think you can thwart the inexorable finality of predestination? Inquiring MINDS (the thinking sort) would like to know, pls.

K thx baibai

 

[HannahBanana]

First off, no one is innocent. A person that may seem courteous and nice probably has done many things that would make you think otherwise if you knew them. People tend to hide their dirty secrets quite well..

You cannot earn your way into heaven. It is only by grace of God that can help you. So no one can boast..

Just curious...would you even say that Gandhi wasn't innocent? If so, then why? (And no, I will not accept "because he wasn't a Christian" as a valid answer.)

 

[KarrieTex]

Just curious...would you even say that Gandhi wasn't innocent? If so, then why? (And no, I will not accept "because he wasn't a Christian" as a valid answer.)

Except "he wasn't a Christian" is part of the vaild answer).

First) No one is innocent in this world. There is only one man that has walked this earth that was innocent and perfect which is Jesus Christ.

Second) Because of Christ's death and resurrection, we become innocent spiritually through the power of His blood.

This doesn't negate the fact that we Christians still sin and we can still do evil in God's sight. BUT because of His grace through Christ we can spiritually be innocent again.

So in essence yes part of the answer is because he isn't a Christian.

 

[HannahBanana]

Except "he wasn't a Christian" is part of the vaild answer).

First) No one is innocent in this world. There is only one man that has walked this earth that was innocent and perfect which is Jesus Christ.

Second) Because of Christ's death and resurrection, we become innocent spiritually through the power of His blood.

This doesn't negate the fact that we Christians still sin and we can still do evil in God's sight. BUT because of His grace through Christ we can spiritually be innocent again.

So in essence yes part of the answer is because he isn't a Christian.

So you honestly think that Gandhi is burning in Hell right now, despite all of the good he did in this world? If so, then how can you think that? Do you honestly think that a person's beliefs matter that much?

 

[KarrieTex]

Yes, I do believe he is in Hell.

The Bible says none can be with the Father, in other words be in Heaven, without Christ Jesus. If Gandhi didn't believe in Jesus as Lord and Savior then I believe what the Bible says that he will not be in Heaven.

Yes, I do believe it matters THAT much.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

You cannot earn your way into heaven. It is only by grace of God that can help you. So no one can boast..

Including those who apparently think themselves in a position to tell everyone else they bes going to "hell".

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

So you honestly think that Gandhi is burning in Hell right now, despite all of the good he did in this world? If so, then how can you think that? Do you honestly think that a person's beliefs matter that much?

Yes, I do believe he is in Hell.

The Bible says none can be with the Father, in other words be in Heaven, without Christ Jesus. If Gandhi didn't believe in Jesus as Lord and Savior then I believe what the Bible says that he will not be in Heaven.

Yes, I do believe it matters THAT much.

Matthew 25 seems to suggest otherwise. Apparently having the supposed "right theology" bes not the grand key to it all that some suppose it to be.

As a matter of fact, it recalls Paul & co. having no small bit of trouble with a rival sect back in NT times, the gnostics, who believed that salvation bes a matter of having the "right knowledge". Many fundamentalist-literalist positions today seem to echo that sentiment, that salvation bes determined by whether you have the right knowledge or the right beliefs. The JC of the Gospels sure seems to suggest otherwise, strongly, on numerous occasions -- Matthew 25 being but one of the most clear of these.

Scripture says no one comes to the Father but by Christ. It does NOT stipulate that this process depends upon their personal perceptions of it nor even their awareness of it. It bes interesting to read Matthew 7 in this light ....

[bible]Matthew 7:17-23[/bible]

And there you have it. A bad tree CANNOT produce good fruit -- so if Ghandi had been a "bad tree" (destined for destruction) he would not have lived as he lived.
Not all who say "Lord, Lord" (believe in JC as Lord, obviously) enter the kingdom, but those what DO the will of the Father. By their fruits you shall know them. Even if he never once named the name of JC as "LORD" with his lips, Ghandi lived a life that proclaimed JC as Lord, and that matters far more.

Don't take Moriah's word for it. It's there in the Bible.

 

[HannahBanana]

Yes, I do believe he is in Hell.

The Bible says none can be with the Father, in other words be in Heaven, without Christ Jesus. If Gandhi didn't believe in Jesus as Lord and Savior then I believe what the Bible says that he will not be in Heaven.

Yes, I do believe it matters THAT much.

I'd appreciate it if you would read and respond to Moriah's post (the one above this one). Thanks.

 

[HannahBanana]

Wow, that was very well-stated, Moriah. Seriously, how did you learn all that stuff?

 

[sidhe]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Moriah_Conquering_Wind again.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Wow, that was very well-stated, Moriah. Seriously, how did you learn all that stuff?

The True and Living God opens the eyes of the blind. In fact, blindness exists only for that one purpose, that He may do so.

 

[HannahBanana]

The True and Living God opens the eyes of the blind. In fact, blindness exists only for that one purpose, that He may do so.

Then I guess I'll just have to wait for God to open my eyes like He has opened yours.

Have a good day.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Then I guess I'll just have to wait for God to open my eyes like He has opened yours.
Have a good day.

Awwww ... you look pretty sighted from where this one sits.

"To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice." -- John 18:37 (in part).

To hear His voice (recognize truth) bes indicative that one does not lack sight.

 

[.Sabre.]

Good point.

If you teach them some philosophy

they will realize the cause of their suffering

and hell would become a better place.

eudaimonia,

Mark

Oh, definitely.

Or I could take over while they're distracted, which was kinda the idea.

 

[cantata]

[bible]Matthew 7:17-23[/bible]

And there you have it. A bad tree CANNOT produce good fruit -- so if Ghandi had been a "bad tree" (destined for destruction) he would not have lived as he lived.
Not all who say "Lord, Lord" (believe in JC as Lord, obviously) enter the kingdom, but those what DO the will of the Father. By their fruits you shall know them. Even if he never once named the name of JC as "LORD" with his lips, Ghandi lived a life that proclaimed JC as Lord, and that matters far more.

Don't take Moriah's word for it. It's there in the Bible.

This is a beautiful post. Thank you Seems like sound evidence that if the God of the Bible exists, he's one of the good guys.

 

[elman]

Matthew 25 seems to suggest otherwise. Apparently having the supposed "right theology" bes not the grand key to it all that some suppose it to be.

As a matter of fact, it recalls Paul & co. having no small bit of trouble with a rival sect back in NT times, the gnostics, who believed that salvation bes a matter of having the "right knowledge". Many fundamentalist-literalist positions today seem to echo that sentiment, that salvation bes determined by whether you have the right knowledge or the right beliefs. The JC of the Gospels sure seems to suggest otherwise, strongly, on numerous occasions -- Matthew 25 being but one of the most clear of these.

Scripture says no one comes to the Father but by Christ. It does NOT stipulate that this process depends upon their personal perceptions of it nor even their awareness of it. It bes interesting to read Matthew 7 in this light ....

[bible]Matthew 7:17-23[/bible]

And there you have it. A bad tree CANNOT produce good fruit -- so if Ghandi had been a "bad tree" (destined for destruction) he would not have lived as he lived.
Not all who say "Lord, Lord" (believe in JC as Lord, obviously) enter the kingdom, but those what DO the will of the Father. By their fruits you shall know them. Even if he never once named the name of JC as "LORD" with his lips, Ghandi lived a life that proclaimed JC as Lord, and that matters far more.

Don't take Moriah's word for it. It's there in the Bible.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Oh, definitely.

Or I could take over while they're distracted, which was kinda the idea.

Actually that bes in general why Moriah exists, to endlessly engage Their attention and keep Their desires slaked, so the rest of you can enjoy your party topside of the outer darkness.