How do you decide if something is factual?

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Who are these people and why should I care what they say?

Most people do not care about your life.
You don't have to either ... that's up to you.

 

[gaara4158]

True, and that is WHY I support what I post with the agreement of Science and History IF there is any. Sometimes, Scripture speaks of another world, which was totally destroyed in the flood ll Peter 3:6. The willing ignorance of godless scientists who REJECT God's Truth in Genesis, is self imposed. That is WHY they have NO idea of Humanity's true beginnings. Some even seem to love their ignorance. They are more proud of their animal ancestors than their Human ones, it seems. Amen?

I already explained to you why scientists cannot investigate claims of the supernatural. Now who’s being willfully ignorant?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I already explained to you why scientists cannot investigate claims of the supernatural. Now who’s being willfully ignorant?

Did no one explain to you ?
Since little chidren, even, and men, and women, in all countries in existence since the beginning,
as far as everything ever published,
as far as can be known,
have investigated claims of the supernatural (spiritual),

are scientists you vouch for so ignorant that they fail at this !?!?

Are you and they willfully ignorant ?

Why not seek the truth, no matter how much it costs you? (like giving up pride and ego and other obstacles as required) Whatever is blocking the scientists and/or you from investigating the supernatural (spiritual) - eternal, invisible, most vital for life .....

everyone who does investigate, and doesn't give up, finds the truth, and the truth sets them free (free from the carnal, ungodly scienctist and other deceptions) ....

 

[gaara4158]

Did no one explain to you ?
Since little chidren, even, and men, and women, in all countries in existence since the beginning,
as far as everything ever published,
as far as can be known,
have investigated claims of the supernatural (spiritual),

are scientists you vouch for so ignorant that they fail at this !?!?

Are you and they willfully ignorant ?

Why not seek the truth, no matter how much it costs you? (like giving up pride and ego and other obstacles as required) Whatever is blocking the scientists and/or you from investigating the supernatural (spiritual) - eternal, invisible, most vital for life .....

everyone who does investigate, and doesn't give up, finds the truth, and the truth sets them free (free from the carnal, ungodly scienctist and other deceptions) ....

How does anyone investigate the supernatural? What predictive model can you produce that would demonstrate the presence of something supernatural?

 

[gaara4158]

Most people do not care about your life.
You don't have to either ... that's up to you.

Not what I asked.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Did no one explain to you ?
Since little chidren, even, and men, and women, in all countries in existence since the beginning,
as far as everything ever published,
as far as can be known,
have investigated claims of the supernatural (spiritual),

are scientists you vouch for so ignorant that they fail at this !?!?

Are you and they willfully ignorant ?

Why not seek the truth, no matter how much it costs you? (like giving up pride and ego and other obstacles as required) Whatever is blocking the scientists and/or you from investigating the supernatural (spiritual) - eternal, invisible, most vital for life .....

everyone who does investigate, and doesn't give up, finds the truth, and the truth sets them free (free from the carnal, ungodly scienctist and other deceptions) ....

I think you misunderstand. Supernatural items are, by definition, things which are not measurable in a scientific way. Consider souls. The concept is considered supernatural, because souls aren't detectable by any means with any consistency. Sure, individuals claim to have experiences with them, but nothing that is repeatable and testable. However, if souls were consistently measurable, they wouldn't be considered supernatural at all, just "natural", another phenomenon of nature we regularly observe.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

How does anyone investigate the supernatural? What predictive model can you produce that would demonstrate the presence of something supernatural?

Sorry, I can't give you more of an answer at this time,
other than (like I posted earlier)
ask a little child who knows Jesus..... a child with faith in Jesus.

Their answers are (hopefully) unencumbered by man's deceptions, not determined by doctrines , but from truth, from real life experience with Jesus and God.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I think you misunderstand. Supernatural items are, by definition, things which are not measurable in a scientific way.

Let's test this a wee little bit. Please bear with me if you can.

Have you done your own shopping the last 2 months. (or two weeks).

If not, are you going shopping over the weekend ?

 

[PsychoSarah]

Sorry, I can't give you more of an answer at this time,
other than (like I posted earlier)
ask a little child who knows Jesus..... a child with faith in Jesus.

Their answers are (hopefully) unencumbered by man's deceptions, not determined by doctrines , but from truth, from real life experience with Jesus and God.

-_- there is no such thing as a Christian child whose responses would not be at least partially influenced by doctrines, because the faith itself is founded upon them. Also, have you ever actually talked to a young child and asked a question like that? They give you an inane response or look at you like you're nuts.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Let's test this a wee little bit. Please bear with me if you can.

Have you done your own shopping the last 2 months. (or two weeks).

If not, are you going shopping over the weekend ?

Nopety nope, because I live with my grandmother and am a full time college student. Not sure what you'd need this framing device for, but I'll gladly pretend that I am indeed going shopping over the weekend if necessary.

 

[Kylie]

Depending on the subject, I guess I use a lot of different methods.

Like what? Can you give examples?

 

[Kylie]

Actually, it always works and is true.

Whatever you seek, and keep seeking, that is what you will find.

If you seek the truth, and keep seeking the truth (every day, never stop),
that is what you will find.

It always works?

I think you'll find that you mean that if you convince yourself that it is true, you'll always wind up convinced it is true.

If your claims are objectively true, then how do you explain all those people who have used the exact same technique and become just as convinced that something else is true?

 

[Kylie]

My phenomenological experiences are "factual" to me, in the sense that that I really experience them. Therefore I am neither a creationist nor evolutionist, but a phenomenologist.

Ah, interesting point. There's a difference between what you really experience and what actually describes reality.

 

[Kylie]

Impossible, since that is like saying you are not a Human because you changed your mind. Those who are born again Spiritually ARE born into Heaven, already....

Eph 2:19 ¶ Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God

Can you explain HOW you to become unborn physically? Of course not. God Bless you

lol, you saying that once you're a Christian there's no getting out of it? You're a Christian forever?

I know quite a few atheists that would disagree.

 

[gaara4158]

Sorry, I can't give you more of an answer at this time,
other than (like I posted earlier)
ask a little child who knows Jesus..... a child with faith in Jesus.

Their answers are (hopefully) unencumbered by man's deceptions, not determined by doctrines , but from truth, from real life experience with Jesus and God.

I am not interested in the daydreams of little children. I am seeking real answers. I am sorry you have failed to provide any. I have no choice but to disbelieve all this god and devil nonsense. Let me know when you have a real method to investigate the supernatural.

 

[Kylie]

ALL of God's perfect Laws apply to everyone today. Break just one of them and you will face Judgment, where you will be guilty of breaking all of them. Amen?

Do you wear glasses? Do you eat pork, ham, or bacon? Do you have any clothes that are a cotton-polyester blend? Do you have any tattoos? Have you ever read your horoscope? Have you ever had calamari or lobster? Have you ever shaved your beard? Have you ever worked on Sunday?

If so, I've got some bad news for you...

 

[quatona]

Like what? Can you give examples?

Most of the time and especially when it comes to everyday stuff, I am just happy for every bit of reality that is largely agreed upon with everyone and on basis I can communicate effectively on that basis.
Even though my philosophy doubts that objects exist factually, I can easily understand the question whether the supermarket is open on Sundays or not.
Even though I don´t think that facts are determined by authorities, I can easily go to the supermarket´s website and accept as factual/authoritative what it says about the Sunday opening time.
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Sometimes someone´s word is enough for me to accept their statement as factual (or at least to act as though it were factual), in other instances it isn´t.

These are just two simple examples. Do they give you an idea?

 

[Kylie]

Most of the time and especially when it comes to everyday stuff, I am just happy for every bit of reality that is largely agreed upon with everyone and on basis I can communicate effectively on that basis.
Even though my philosophy doubts that objects exist factually, I can easily understand the question whether the supermarket is open on Sundays or not.
Even though I don´t think that facts are determined by authorities, I can easily go to the supermarket´s website and accept as factual/authoritative what it says about the Sunday opening time.
----
Sometimes someone´s word is enough for me to accept their statement as factual (or at least to act as though it were factual), in other instances it isn´t.

These are just two simple examples. Do they give you an idea?

So basically, the more extraordinary the claim is, the more extraordinary the evidence needed to convince you, is that correct?

 

[quatona]

So basically, the more extraordinary the claim is, the more extraordinary the evidence needed to convince you, is that correct?

No, not really. I´ve always had problems with that phrase because I can´t make sense of the term "extraordinary evidence". If anything, I would need more (ordinary) evidence for an extraordinary claim.

But that doesn´t cut it, either. There are more criteria at play, e.g. how important the content of the claim is or might be to me. I´m sure that if I would think about it, there are more.

Then again, when it comes to metaphysical/philosophical/religious/spiritual... ideas I think this is a realm of and for our creativity (since these ideas are mostly unverifiable or unfalsifiable, anyway). Thus, when it comes to these things, I tend to be looking for beauty rather than "truth" or evidence.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Do you wear glasses?

Oh, that's one I haven't heard, what bible verse forbids corrective lenses? Also, I would answer no to this.

Do you eat pork, ham, or bacon?

Guilty as charged on all accounts. Pigs are so delicious it's sinful!

Do you have any clothes that are a cotton-polyester blend?

There's no way I don't.

Do you have any tattoos?

Nope.

Have you ever read your horoscope?

I can one up that; I've written them. Joke ones, but based on the bible, Yahweh doesn't have a great enough sense of humor to let that pass.

Have you ever had calamari or lobster?

No, but I have had crab legs. Mmmmmmm.

Have you ever shaved your beard?

Don't have one to shave, thank goodness.

Have you ever worked on Sunday?

Would doing homework count? It probably would count.

If so, I've got some bad news for you...

I filed my taxes incorrectly?