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This isn't even Christianity. I don't know what this is.
No, Wakalix, embrace it, for Aman777 has the most unique and entertaining interpretation of the bible out of anything I have been exposed to. And I have been a seeker for 9 years. I've put in the effort of committing as much as possible of it to memory just so I can give as many people as possible an accurate retelling of it. I don't frame it as a joke or anything, I just enjoy the reactions of people to it. I wish I had the creativity to make up something like it. Think of it like the same sort of interest a person would get out of a decent sci-fi short story, but it's what someone personally believes. Scientology minus the scary cult.
 
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Thank you for taking the time to reply in detail. I appreciate the courtesy shown by your action. In order to reciprocate that courtesty I shall seek not to engage in further discussion with you as it would place undue strain on my self control. My apologies for that. Thank you again.

It's okay. I'm used to getting called names and implications that i'm nuts. Nothing you can say would shock me. Many use the same excuse for running away since they have no idea what to say. If you feel your health would be in danger, I can understand your haste to leave. God Bless you
 
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No, Wakalix, embrace it, for Aman777 has the most unique and entertaining interpretation of the bible out of anything I have been exposed to. And I have been a seeker for 9 years. I've put in the effort of committing as much as possible of it to memory just so I can give as many people as possible an accurate retelling of it. I don't frame it as a joke or anything, I just enjoy the reactions of people to it. I wish I had the creativity to make up something like it. Think of it like the same sort of interest a person would get out of a decent sci-fi short story, but it's what someone personally believes. Scientology minus the scary cult.

Thanks again Sarah. Do you see Trump as a possible candidate for anti-Christ? I know he's like satan since he is a habitual liar. Jhn 8:44 Trump's son in law is also trying to make peace with Israel and the Palestinians. Beware, since our future is one of war and destruction in the last days. God Bless you
 
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Who told you that there was no evidence in Genesis? It's full of it IF you have the proper understanding, which you keep demonstrating that you do NOT. I'm sorry but you seem to believe the superstitious ancient theologians. Don't you know that ONLY the people of the last days can understand?

Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of My Spirit upon ALL flesh:

Get ready to be converted by your love for Godless Science. Will you still believe in Science when it is confirming Genesis?
Genesis is evidence of a lot (I personally enjoy Jordan Peterson's breakdown of the story of the Garden of Eden) but it's not evidence of the beginning of the Earth, as literalists would claim.
I'm interested as to why you feel these are the last days. I'm not aware of a time since 100AD in which people didn't believe they were living in the last days.
 
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It's okay. I'm used to getting called names and implications that i'm nuts. Nothing you can say would shock me. Many use the same excuse for running away since they have no idea what to say. If you feel your health would be in danger, I can understand your haste to leave. God Bless you
Rest assured I have a great deal I could say, however forum rules, internet etiquette and a personal desire to remain polite make that impractical.
 
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Following are 3 things which NO one has been able to explain.

Okay...

1. We live in a Multiverse with at least 3 Universes Gen 1:8 and Gen 2:4

There is absolutely no evidence in the real world to support this. You have your interpretation of old myths and nothing more.

2. All life was created and brought forth from Water. Gen 1:21

Which disagrees with the Bible Genesis 1:24.

3. The combination of prehistoric people and Humans (descendants of Adam) is what produced the soon to be 10 Billion Humans alive today. Gen 6:1-4

There is no evidence that Humans were interbreeding with a non-human species to the degree required a mere 6000 or so years ago.

NO ancient man who lived thousands of years before Science could not have possibly known and correctly written the Scientific Facts above. It's proof of God and that is what scares unbelievers so bad. Amen?

Two of your so called facts have no basis in reality, and the other one is contradicted by your own holy book.

Not off to a good start there.
 
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Not to someone who rejects God's Truth. Haven't you noticed that no Bible believing Christians seem to disagree? Is it because they can see that what I post is actually written in Genesis? Of course it is. God Bless you

Wow.

First you say that you aren't going to give evidence to the ones who ask for it (I would assume because you have none to give). Does this mean that you would give evidence to the people who already believe? Hardly impressive, they've already decided what to believe and thus wouldn't need evidence.

Also, I have seen Bible-believing Christians who disagree lots.
 
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Between the Creationists and the Evolutionist (I hate to use that particular word, but...), there is a clear difference between what they consider to be factual. One group believes that some sort of creationism is factual, and the other group accepts the scientific account of the formation of the earth and the development of life as factual.

In this thread, I'd like to discuss how we reach our conclusions as to what is factual or not. Not to debate on whether creationism or evolution is factual, but how we arrive at our conclusions as to what is factual.

My own preference is to take a belief I have and put it to the test. If I keep testing an idea and trying to prove it wrong, but every attempt to prove it wrong fails, then I consider that idea to be more and more factual.

How about you? How well have your methods worked in the past?

If there's facts backing it up. Evolution is fact on account of that.
 
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Genesis is evidence of a lot (I personally enjoy Jordan Peterson's breakdown of the story of the Garden of Eden) but it's not evidence of the beginning of the Earth, as literalists would claim.
I'm interested as to why you feel these are the last days. I'm not aware of a time since 100AD in which people didn't believe they were living in the last days.

It could be because Today IS the last Day, since it's the 6th Creative Day/Age in the creation of the perfect 3rd Heaven. Our Earth is only 4.53 Billion years old and the narrative of the Garden of Eden took place some 9 Billion years BEFORE our Earth was formed. Also, the Garden was NOT on planet Earth but on Adam's Earth which was totally destroyed in the flood. ll Peter 3:6 Amen?
 
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There is no evidence that Humans were interbreeding with a non-human species to the degree required a mere 6000 or so years ago.

It happened some 11k years ago when the FIRST Human (descendant of Adam) farming began in the Cradle of Civilization in Northern Mesopotamia. Here's the Map which you have failed to explain. Want to try again?Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE
 
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Wow.

First you say that you aren't going to give evidence to the ones who ask for it (I would assume because you have none to give). Does this mean that you would give evidence to the people who already believe? Hardly impressive, they've already decided what to believe and thus wouldn't need evidence.

Also, I have seen Bible-believing Christians who disagree lots.

False, since NO person can tell IF one is a Christian or not. Jhn 3:8 Also, I give evidence to all regardless of their view.
 
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It could be because Today IS the last Day, since it's the 6th Creative Day/Age in the creation of the perfect 3rd Heaven. Our Earth is only 4.53 Billion years old and the narrative of the Garden of Eden took place some 9 Billion years BEFORE our Earth was formed. Also, the Garden was NOT on planet Earth but on Adam's Earth which was totally destroyed in the flood. ll Peter 3:6 Amen?
How do you figure that?
 
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Of course. Noah was married and so were his 3 sons. Noah's grandsons had NO other Humans to marry so they married and produced children with the sons of God (prehistoric people) who numbered some 1 Million 11k years ago. Cain did the SAME thing on Adam's Earth. Cain (His kind) married a prehistoric woman (Their kind) and passed Adam's superior intelligence all over the first world, the world that then was. Genesis 6:1-4 This was repeated by Noah's grandsons on the present Earth.


I'm sorry - none of that is a genetic mechanism.

You see, traits are governed by genes (and the interactions of those genes with the environment - but you still have to have the genes). In humans, when a sperm and egg fuse, the zygote gets 1 set of genes from the father, 1 set from the mother. A gene in the sperm's genome has a counterpart gene in the egg's, and they are not always the same version of the gene. These different versions are called alleles. Some alleles 'overrule' their counterpart (dominant -> recessive). Some alleles sort of work together, etc. Regardless, we get 2 alleles per gene in a zygote (barring mutations/duplications, etc.).

The people on the ark produced inbred offspring, and had no source of new alleles (other than mutation). All 4 breeding pairs were from the same area, and so likely had very little allelic diversity to start with.

And yet, in a mere 4500 years, we end up with billions of people with varied 'ethnicities' and dare I say 'races', from the tall, thin, very dark Bantu, to the short, fairer-skinned Inuit to the tall pale and blond Nordic groups, to those of Asian characteristics, etc. - all in 4500 years.

So my question was what is the genetic mechanism whereby the new alleles required to produce the extant level of diversity were produced so quickly; how were they so quickly segregated into distinct populations? If there were somehow present in the ark folk, how were the "un-used" alleles kept around?

That sort of thing.
 
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Thanks again Sarah. Do you see Trump as a possible candidate for anti-Christ?
The bible says there will be many antichrists. However, I find Trump to lack the unifying tact usually associated with them.

I know he's like satan since he is a habitual liar.
I think that applies to a lot of people in political and business fields. He's just not smart enough to be subtle about it.
 
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The people on the ark produced inbred offspring, and had no source of new alleles (other than mutation). All 4 breeding pairs were from the same area, and so likely had very little allelic diversity to start with.

Not so, since the people on the Ark (His kinds) could produce children with the prehistoric people (Their kinds) who were already here when the Ark arrived. Genesis 6:1-4 tells the whole story. Amen?
 
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Adam was made the 3rd Day Gen 2:4-7 BEFORE the plants, herbs, rain and Trees which GREW on the 3rd Day. Gen 1:12 Our Universe was made at the end of the 3rd Day since it was LESS that a Billion years, in man's time, AFTER the Big Bang BEFORE the first Stars lit up on the 4th Day. Gen 1:16 https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-first-stars-in-the-un/ God's Truth AGREES with every discovery of mankind. God Bless you
Literally none of what you said lines up with the scientific data. Even so, you seem to take the Bible as an authority. Why?
 
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