How do we Reduce Abortions?

[quatona]

Yes I was being facetious.

If I went for the serious I would be insulting liberals and progressives.

Preventing abortions means to celebrate virginity and nobility of our young people.

Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Wrong answer for those influencing society huh?

Well, it could have been that Shane Roach actually meant to ask what he did ask ("how do we reduce abortion") instead of "give me an opportunity to tell you about my ideas of sexual morality".

Vasectomy is a safe contraception and thus a perfect way to not even get to the point where an abortion could have to be considered. That you don´t like it for other reasons is a different story. That at this point you immediately leave the topic "abortion" that you otherwise pretend to be one of your prime concerns is very telling.

 

[wanderingone]

And if we were to have taken Plan B, God's plan would've been destroyed.

But you WANTED to conceive so obviously you would not have taken plan B. I failt to get your point here?

If every pregnancy is God's plan then every couple who cannot have a child.. isn't that also God's plan, why should someone who can't conceive seek medical intervention, when those who don't want to conceive are expected not to?

 

[peadar1987]

In answer to the OP, we can reduce abortions by reducing conceptions.

We can reduce conceptions by a comprehensive education programme on all available forms of contraception, and by making sure they are as available and affordable as possible.

 

[LightSeaker]

We have an entire generation that learned about condoms before they learned about the Constitution.

One in four teen girls have an STD and abortions are pandemic.

Time for change they can believe in.

As I also added, and which you did not address is the sense of sacredness of the Human Being. Sadly, that's not really out there, nor is the church in the place to really teach it. The idea of sacredness of the Human Being goes against the sin dogma. I agree, it is time for a change. But the church has put itself into the position where it can not be the leader in that change.


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[Robbie_James_Francis]

It has nothing to do with "sexual immorality". People have sex. We enjoy it. No-one's going to change that. Ever. Get over it.

If you want to reduce abortions, as we all do, then increase sexual awareness, make contraception freely and easily available and fight poverty.

Honestly, anyone who thinks "sexual immorality" has increased has no sense of history. People had as much unprotected sex out of wedlock as far back as you can go. They covered it up and were told to hate themselves, that's all.

That is what you want to go back to when you praise sexual "morality".

 

[PassionFruit]

Yeah, even the Victorian era, people didn't practice what they called "sexual morality." Both men and women had sex outside of marriage. Also, it was okay for men to visit prostitutes so they could release their sexual urges. Women couldn't, because it was believed that women had no sexual desires (and it seems people still hold this view) and if she did, she was considered to be a harlot.

Also, in the 1950's, teens were promiscuous, where do you think the idea of having sex in your car came about?

I agree with Francis, people are going to have sex, despite the consequences.

 

[TooCurious]

Plus, given that what dental dams are used for is sort of really, a sort of niche area that a lot of teenage boys aren't going to do (women aren't into the sort of thing until they are a tad older and even then the man will only do it so he can get a reward of well, conventional relations).

"The man will only do it so he can get a reward of conventional relations"? That's a tragic and (fortunately, in my experience) inaccurate attitude. Some men genuinely enjoy giving their partners pleasure, just as some women genuinely enjoy doing the same for their partners. And since when are young women not into [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]? Besides which, if teenagers become more aware that sex includes more activities than just "conventional relations," and that those other activities can't cause unwanted pregnancy, then maybe there will be fewer unwanted pregnancies.

On the OP, I do agree that the number of abortions is alarming, and in particular the partial-birth abortion is just horrible. I also agree that if everyone strived to live as we are instructed to in the Bible, the need for abortions would literally cease!

Really? Fatal birth defects like anencephaly (wherein the brain does not develop) will magically cease? Women who get pregnant will stop finding out that they have cancer and need chemotherapy? That would be wonderful, but I doubt it would happen, and so there will always be a need for what you refer to as "partial-birth" late-term abortions.

In answer to the OP, one of the best ways I can think of to reduce the number of abortions that are sought is to promote comprehensive sex education and make various types of birth control more readily available at all economic levels.

 

[Ave Maria]

I think that you if you really want to reduce the number of abortions being performed, you need to make contraception more easily affordable, easier to get (making the morning after pill available over the counter would be nice), allow people of all ages to get the morning after pill without a prescription, and get rid of abstinence only sex "education" programs. I put "education" in quotes because abstinence only sex "education" is not true education. If it were, it would tell the teenagers in the classroom about all of their available options. I also think that making free condoms more easily accessible (such as putting baskets of free condoms on the toilets in the school restrooms or on the sink in school restrooms and putting free condoms in other places would help teenagers to practice safer sex more easily. I am sure that some teenagers are afraid to buy condoms or possibly can't even afford them. Has anyone looked at the price of condoms recently??? They're not cheap! When I check the prices of condoms at stores, I find that they generally charge about $1 per condom (when buying buy the box). Condoms should not be that expensive. They should be about 50 cents per condom if you ask me. But anyway, back to the topic. If contraception was more easily available and more affordable, I think that more people would use it and less abortions would be performed. I also think that non-biased counseling for those considering an abortion should be an option for those who would like it.

Personally, I don't agree with anti-abortion people standing outside of abortion clinics and harassing people as they go in with pamphlets and such proclaiming just how "evil" abortion is. Also, I hear that Catholics like to pray the rosary in front of abortion clinics. Well, it's fine if they want to pray the rosary but why in front of an abortion clinic? Why not do it at home? You can still pray for an end to abortion if you want to but there is no need to stand in front of an abortion clinic praying out loud. To me, doing so is basically a form of harassment. Oh and then there are people who think they should show the graphic depictions of abortion. I disagree with that as well. Showing disgusting pictures to someone is a bad way to convince someone that abortion is wrong. And frankly, I don't believe that abortion is wrong anyway.

 

[LightHorseman]

Implanon for all consenting 16 year olds right along with their tetanus booster, replaced every 3 years until declined or requested removed.

Abortion (at least abortions of convenience) would become virtually unheard of overnight.

 

[Ave Maria]

Implanon for all consenting 16 year olds right along with their tetanus booster, replaced every 3 years until declined or requested removed.

Abortion (at least abortions of convenience) would become virtually unheard of overnight.

While your strategy may well reduce abortions, I don't think that it is a good idea to force birth control upon anyone.

 

[LightHorseman]

While your strategy may well reduce abortions, I don't think that it is a good idea to force birth control upon anyone.

What part of "consenting" and "until declined or requested removed" do people mistake to mean "mandatory, government enforced".

 

[Ave Maria]

What part of "consenting" and "until declined or requested removed" do people mistake to mean "mandatory, government enforced".

I apologize. It is early morning and my brain is still a little bit foggy. I completely missed that part of your post. :o

 

[LightHorseman]

I apologize. It is early morning and my brain is still a little bit foggy. I completely missed that part of your post. :o

And yet every time I make that suggestion, someone rails at the idea of mandatory contraception.

No... I don't think ANY form of medical intervention should be mandatory. However, in this case, I think it would make abortion virtually a thing of the past, even without it's being mandatory.

 

[Ave Maria]

And yet every time I make that suggestion, someone rails at the idea of mandatory contraception.

No... I don't think ANY form of medical intervention should be mandatory. However, in this case, I think it would make abortion virtually a thing of the past, even without it's being mandatory.

You know, you can even forgive me or you can continue to rant about this. Choose one please.

 

[LightHorseman]

You know, you can even forgive me or you can continue to rant about this. Choose one please.

Sorry, I wasn't trying to rant, I was commenting that people often make the same mistake.

I'm sorry if you thought I was ranting, and I accept your apolgy, no worries.

Peace?

 

[Ave Maria]

Sorry, I wasn't trying to rant, I was commenting that people often make the same mistake.

I'm sorry if you thought I was ranting, and I accept your apolgy, no worries.

Peace?

Sure! I love peace.

 

[brightmorningstar]

To Shane Roach.
For Christians who know that God knows us even in the womb we have a duty to speak up against the injustice of abortion. However we are probably better arguing about the reality of conception from a philosophical and scientific basis than religious to people whose benchmark is philosophy and science.

I dont believe one can reduce abortion by laws, there has to be a chnage in mindset.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

The mindset will change when science is allowed to take its proper palce in the abortion war. Life begins at conception is a scientific fact. The contract for what we are to be and what we are, is present at the moment of conception. An educated, or rather an informed person should not be able to come up with abortion as a means of birth control as acceptable any more then genocide of a people that are inconvenient to have around.

Philosophy will only side with the person as a person at the moment of conception if logic and reason are allowed to take precedent over the emotional hysteria and a mans needs to be promiscuous without accountability used to support abortion.

 

[Andreusz]

The mindset will change when science is allowed to take its proper palce in the abortion war. Life begins at conception is a scientific fact. .

It is also a scientific fact that the nervous system does not begin to develop until several weeks later.

 

[quatona]

It is also a scientific fact that the nervous system does not begin to develop until several weeks later.

I take issue with the "also" in this sentence.