How do we Reduce Abortions?

[katautumn]

My sister has taken Plan B three times and none of us (including my extremely pro-life mother and father) cared one iota. We were simply glad she did not get pregnant. Taking hormonal birth control is no more "murdering babies" than if a woman has unprotected sex with her husband, goes and does a 10k run or falls off of a ladder the next day and the body naturally flushes the fertilized egg from it. If pregnancy begins at conception, then we need to order women to remain on bed rest after every single time they have sexual intercourse until sufficient time has passed to test her for pregnancy. That way she won't be creating an inhospitable environment in her womb.

 

[ebia]

And if we were to have taken Plan B, God's plan would've been destroyed.

And if you had used a condom, or even just not had sex, that would not have been the case?

 

[katautumn]

And if you had used a condom, or even just not had sex, that would not have been the case?

Or what if she'd been using an LED lamp in her bedroom? Those things never blow out.

 

[Betsy_Starlight]

My sister has taken Plan B three times and none of us (including my extremely pro-life mother and father) cared one iota. We were simply glad she did not get pregnant. Taking hormonal birth control is no more "murdering babies" than if a woman has unprotected sex with her husband, goes and does a 10k run or falls off of a ladder the next day and the body naturally flushes the fertilized egg from it. If pregnancy begins at conception, then we need to order women to remain on bed rest after every single time they have sexual intercourse until sufficient time has passed to test her for pregnancy. That way she won't be creating an inhospitable environment in her womb.

The pill is intentional dear, the fall of that rickety old ladder is not. One is God's plan being enacted by faulty construction, the other is man's plan being acted out by poisonous powder.

And let me tell you, unaware if you had read my long-winded conception story above or not, it would have taken an army of pitbulls to wrench me off my down mattress the day after the deal was done. My frantic husband would've chained me to that thing had I not sworn to do my best not to move an inch or breathe too heavily.

Betsy

 

[SiderealExalt]

The pill is intentional dear, the fall of that rickety old ladder is not. One is God's plan being enacted by faulty construction, the other is man's plan being acted out by poisonous powder.

Wake up and smell the world overpopulation.

 

[katautumn]

The pill is intentional dear, the fall of that rickety old ladder is not. One is God's plan being enacted by faulty construction, the other is man's plan being acted out by poisonous powder.

Of course taking the Pill is intentional. No one slipped one to my sister unbeknownst to her. What I'm saying is that the primary function of hormonal contraception, be it low dosage birth control pills or a higher dosage in the form of Plan B, is to block fertilization. It has not even been documented that hormonal contraception flushes implanted zygotes from the uterine wall. At the very most, and in very rare cases, it will force the woman to have a menstrual period. That's hardly an abortion.

Man interferes with "God's plan" all the time. People get cancer. No one intends to get cancer. Some people, however, engage in certain behaviors that can contribute to cancer such as smoking or heavy drinking. Should those people not receive chemotherapy because obviously they put themselves in danger of getting cancer?

And let me tell you, unaware if you had read my long-winded conception story above or not, it would have taken an army of pitbulls to wrench me off my down mattress the day after the deal was done. My frantic husband would've chained me to that thing had I not sworn to do my best not to move an inch or breathe too heavily.

Betsy

I find it incredibly sad, though, that you consider your conception experience an unpleasant one or "the deal". But, hey, if you got what you desperately wanted out of it then I'm happy for you. Your story does not, however, bear testimony to the mindset that some of the most effective methods of birth control available to women (you know, the stuff that prevents unplanned pregnancies, thus decreasing the demand for abortion?) is the same thing as scheduling to go out and have a pregnancy terminated at a clinic.

 

[ebia]

The pill is intentional dear, the fall of that rickety old ladder is not. One is God's plan being enacted by faulty construction, the other is man's plan being acted out by poisonous powder.

So if I achieve something by neglect that's God's plan but if I do it by positive intent that's my plan?

God only works through negligant people?

let me tell you, unaware if you had read my long-winded conception story above or not, it would have taken an army of pitbulls to wrench me off my down mattress the day after the deal was done. My frantic husband would've chained me to that thing had I not sworn to do my best not to move an inch or breathe too heavily.

Betsy

Maybe so, but what of those who do not? Are they culpable for children so 'lost'?

 

[SiderealExalt]

Oh and I would add. According to Christianity, God is omniscient, so EVERYTHING is "God's plan." You used birth control? God's plan. That mugger that took your wallet. God's plan.

All you are saying with your God's plan stuff is, My God is a reflection of me so my God does what I want and my God doesn't like what I don't like. Go figure.

 

[katautumn]

You all want to know what I did the day after my son was conceived? I drove to Disney World and went to Epcot. I rode the boat ride in the Norwegian section. I rode the thingy where you travel through the human body. That night I got in a hot tub at the bed & breakfast where we stayed. The next day I had Thanksgiving lunch at Epcot and spent the rest of the day at the Magic Kingdom. Then I had dinner at IHOP. Then the following day I went to Sea World and played with dolphins. After that we drove back home. Oh, wait, we bought oranges from a kid who had a roadside stand. Forgot that part. I drank two venti Starbucks coffees that night.

The following week I couldn't figure out my overwhelming urge to dip Tootsie Rolls in nacho cheese sauce, all the while the thought nauseated me.

 

[lawtonfogle]

Um... if we are going to be talking about what is or is not God's plan, shouldn't we get some agreement on how His plan works? Is it pre-ordained (pre-determined)? Is it uncertain? On one extreme, if you take the pill, then it was God's plan for you to take the pill. On the other, God doesn't know if you will or will not take the pill, but He wants it to happen one way (see, if God knows what you will do, you have no choice about it), and in the middle, God may already know, but does that count as justification? It predetermined equal to justified? And what about partial predestination?

Also, as to blaming people for accidents, some things are still your fault even if not directly. You fell off a ladder? Well, can't fall off what you don't climb.

 

[lawtonfogle]

Oh and I would add. According to Christianity, God is omniscient, so EVERYTHING is "God's plan." You used birth control? God's plan. That mugger that took your wallet. God's plan.

All you are saying with your God's plan stuff is, My God is a reflection of me so my God does what I want and my God doesn't like what I don't like. Go figure.

Maybe.

If something does not discretely exist, God may not know it, yet still be omniscient. Take the position/velocity of the electron. They don't both discretely exist, even God does not know both exactly, but in reality, it does not have both exactly. The future is potentially like that, God may know all possibilities, but until you act on your free will, there may be no way, not even all power way, of knowing. Of course, if you are all powerful, then logic doesn't apply, and you can know the exact position/velocity of the electron even though it doesn't exist, ect, ect, ect.

 

[SiderealExalt]

Maybe.

If something does not discretely exist, God may not know it, yet still be omniscient.

Irrelevant, maybe never enters into the picture.

Take the position/velocity of the electron. They don't both discretely exist, even God does not know both exactly, but in reality, it does not have both exactly. The future is potentially like that, God may know all possibilities, but until you act on your free will, there may be no way, not even all power way, of knowing. Of course, if you are all powerful, then logic doesn't apply, and you can know the exact position/velocity of the electron even though it doesn't exist, ect, ect, ect.

I can sum up your post a lot quicker. You're saying your deity is not omniscient, or omnipotent for that matter(which are mutually exclusive traits anyway).

 

[quatona]

How do we Reduce Abortions?

Personally, I did my part when I had myself vasectomized in my early 20s.

 

[Jade Margery]

Personally, I did my part when I had myself vasectomized in my early 20s.

Truly, the world owes you a debt of gratitude. You are a shining example to us all, and should be honored as a hero. Perhaps with a parade in your home town? And the key to the city, of course.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

Truly, the world owes you a debt of gratitude. You are a shining example to us all, and should be honored as a hero. Perhaps with a parade in your home town? And the key to the city, of course.

You're assuming attractiveness was the reason aren't you?

 

[Jade Margery]

You're assuming attractiveness was the reason aren't you?

I never can tell when you're being facetious or not.

 

[katautumn]

Personally, I did my part when I had myself vasectomized in my early 20s.

See, but that's something that chaps my hide. Not that you had a vasectomy, but that here in the States my sister could not find a doctor who would perform a tubal ligation on her, but her fiance is about to go and have a vasectomy no questions asked.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

I never can tell when you're being facetious or not.

Yes I was being facetious.

If I went for the serious I would be insulting liberals and progressives.

Preventing abortions means to celebrate virginity and nobility of our young people.

Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Wrong answer for those influencing society huh?

 

[LightSeaker]

How do we Reduce Abortions?

I'm able to think of two ways to reduce abortions.

The first is a massive birth control education program married with easily availability birth control stuff.

The second is to truly create the image that human life is sacred at all levels, not just the fetus...and to honestly act that way in all ways.

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[Polycarp_fan]

I'm able to think of two ways to reduce abortions.

The first is a massive birth control education program married with easily availability birth control stuff.

The second is to truly create the image that human life is sacred at all levels, not just the fetus...and to honestly act that way in all ways.

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We have an entire generation that learned about condoms before they learned about the Constitution.

One in four teen girls have an STD and abortions are pandemic.

Time for change they can believe in.