How do we know that the earth is a rotating globe ?

[Apple Sky]

The articles you've shared do not mention blocking out the sun.

Are you sure your reading the right articles ?

 

[Job 33:6]

Are you sure your reading the right articles ?

Yes.

 

[Job 33:6]

Bill Gates-backed plan to block the sun and reverse global warming

Silicon Valley elites, like Microsoft founder Bill Gates, are throwing their financial weight behind an unproven scheme to fight climate change: global weather modification

www.dailymail.co.uk

Solar Geoengineering: Why Bill Gates Wants It, But These Experts Want To Stop It

The Earth is warming rapidly as a result of human-caused emissions. Some scientists think re-engineering the atmosphere to deflect more of the sun's heat could help. Others are warning that such a move would be both dangerous and unethical.

www.forbes.com

Just to look again:
"The firm's concept, cooling Earth by bouncing sunlight back into space via sulfate aerosols, is not new. In fact, it's one of many exotic ideas now actively funded by Microsoft founder Bill Gates, OpenAI CEO Sam Altman and others in Big Tech."

This is saying that the aerosols would block radiation. But it's not like the planet would go dark or anything. There would still be sunlight coming through.

 

[RamiC]

However, I would say that it's quite the opposite. That it's an issue of the hermeneutics of YECism.

Yes I understand what your position is. I was also aware that the church in the USA and Western Europe is losing members at a disturbing rate. I do not believe that there is a solution in arguing that Genesis is based on Ancient Near Eastern cosmology.

I admire your target if it is to prevent people leaving church.

 

[Apple Sky]

Just to look again:
"The firm's concept, cooling Earth by bouncing sunlight back into space via sulfate aerosols, is not new. In fact, it's one of many exotic ideas now actively funded by Microsoft founder Bill Gates, OpenAI CEO Sam Altman and others in Big Tech."

This is saying that the aerosols would block radiation. But it's not like the planet would go dark or anything. There would still be sunlight coming through.

And you can't see anything wrong with this ? The mind boggles

The Chem Trails ARE Killing YOU and YOUR FAMILY! ( 720 X 1280 )

The Chem Trails ARE Killing YOU and YOUR FAMILY! ( 720 X 1280 )

153news.net

 

[Job 33:6]

Yes I understand what your position is. I was also aware that the church in the USA and Western Europe is losing members at a disturbing rate. I do not believe that there is a solution in arguing that Genesis is based on Ancient Near Eastern cosmology.

I admire your target if it is to prevent people leaving church.

Thanks.

Though I would say that it is not that the Bible or the old testament is based on ancient near east cosmology. Rather it in and of itself is such. Because that's who the ancient Israelites are. They are people of the ancient near east. And the Bible is of course written to them and authored by them (inspired ancient Israelite authors such as Moses).

Just like if I were to say that the old testament isn't based on ancient Hebrew and aramaic. But rather, it in and of itself is such. That's simply what it is. At least prior to translation into English.

And the reason that this is an important distinction is because people tend to have concerns that this approach involves the Bible copying pagan neighbors. But rather it's not a matter of copying them. It's just that these neighbors additionally share a similar cultural background.

Just like I can find a McDonald's in California, Texas, and in New York. We could all talk about McDonald's in our own stories and day to day lives, without it being a matter of copying one another. We just all share a broader culture that has these ideas that we communicate and share with one another. We share cultural perspectives on things because we all live in a culture with McDonalds restaurants.

And so when Moses writes Genesis and shares God's message, sometimes some of his culture gets picked up in that.

Like how every Christmas, pastors around America give sermons about consumerism and shopping. It's just a shared culture that presents itself inside the text. Even though obviously the core message of a sermon is about Jesus, sometimes culture is used to convey that message. Like someone might say, "even just giving someone a McDonald's sandwich can lift someone's spirit". The message isn't really about the sandwich, but using culture can help the audience receive the message because it's something they are familiar with.

 

[Job 33:6]

And you can't see anything wrong with this ? The mind boggles

The Chem Trails ARE Killing YOU and YOUR FAMILY! ( 720 X 1280 )

The Chem Trails ARE Killing YOU and YOUR FAMILY! ( 720 X 1280 )

153news.net

I never advocated for or against anything.

 

[RamiC]

Like how every Christmas, pastors around America give sermons about consumerism and shopping. It's just a shared culture that presents itself inside the text. Even though obviously the core message of a sermon is about Jesus, sometimes culture is used to convey that message. Like someone might say, "even just giving someone a McDonald's sandwich can lift someone's spirit". The message isn't really about the sandwich, but using culture can help the audience receive the message because it's something they are familiar with.

I am quite a strong believer in learning about the cultural context of the Biblical record, it can, if done appropriately, really enhance our understanding of God's message. However, Genesis contains outstanding points that I believe do distinguish it from being simply the cosmology of the time. It is relevant to the Gospel message, and at the least I believe it should be taught as containing vital, true, philosophical points, and that it is very impressive that those realities were written down at the time, and that the record of them has survived.

Believing the myth from present day secular culture that science is the arbiter of all truth and dismissing the brilliant, spiritually inspired people who preserved Genesis for us as ignorant fools who thought the sky was an arch is not my own idea of a good way to convey that point. If you look with an open mind, unafraid to find out exactly how much we do not know, you may realise that in 6000 years time (if our Lord has not returned to spare us all before then) the current cosmology will probably be exposed as a bizarre myth. Science in any era will only ever be disproved by more science. Whereas "And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light." Genesis 1 3, that is permanent truth, and you and I can only read it and know how long and how many of our fellow humans have been able to know this because some person, who modern science calls a bronze age Barbarian, was actually so smart and so truly inspired by God, that they carved it in clay.

Do you know of an ANE culture from approximately 6000 years ago who claimed a singular deity, creating everything, by just saying so? I mean except for the one that became the Hebrew people?

 

[Apple Sky]

I never advocated for or against anything.

I'm glad to hear this.

 

[Job 33:6]

I am quite a strong believer in learning about the cultural context of the Biblical record, it can, if done appropriately, really enhance our understanding of God's message. However, Genesis contains outstanding points that I believe do distinguish it from being simply the cosmology of the time. It is relevant to the Gospel message, and at the least I believe it should be taught as containing vital, true, philosophical points, and that it is very impressive that those realities were written down at the time, and that the record of them has survived.

Believing the myth from present day secular culture that science is the arbiter of all truth and dismissing the brilliant, spiritually inspired people who preserved Genesis for us as ignorant fools who thought the sky was an arch is not my own idea of a good way to convey that point. If you look with an open mind, unafraid to find out exactly how much we do not know, you may realise that in 6000 years time (if our Lord has not returned to spare us all before then) the current cosmology will probably be exposed as a bizarre myth. Science in any era will only ever be disproved by more science. Whereas "And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light." Genesis 1 3, that is permanent truth, and you and I can only read it and know how long and how many of our fellow humans have been able to know this because some person, who modern science calls a bronze age Barbarian, was actually so smart and so truly inspired by God, that they carved it in clay.

Do you know of an ANE culture from approximately 6000 years ago who claimed a singular deity, creating everything, by just saying so? I mean except for the one that became the Hebrew people?

Cosmology shouldn't be confused with polytheism vs monotheism. I agree that other ancient near east cultures were polytheistic. I'd say that this misses the point however.

And it doesn't seem strange to me that the ancient Israelites spoke of an arch in the sky. Indeed it's what the Bible plainly says.

Genesis 1:20 NIV
[20] And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky.”

Job 22:14 ESV
[14] Thick clouds veil him, so that he does not see, and he walks on the vault of heaven.’

Amos 9:6 NASB1995
[6] The One who builds His upper chambers in the heavens And has founded His vaulted dome over the earth, He who calls for the waters of the sea And pours them out on the face of the earth, The Lord is His name.

Exodus 24:10 ESV
[10] and they saw the God of Israel. There was under his feet as it were a pavement of sapphire stone, like the very heaven for clearness.

Etc.

And I wouldn't call the Biblical authors "ignorant fools". It's just phenomenological language, similar to how we say that the sun rises and sets. I wouldn't call anyone here an ignorant fool for using that kind of language. But likewise, I wouldn't confuse it for something that is scientifically accurate.

But likewise, I wouldn't expect the Biblical authors to be aware of 21st century science. It's not like they were familiar with space travel or anything like that.

 

[Job 33:6]

Although, to be fair, if we follow the Hebrew in a more strict sense, there are other gods aside from God in the Bible, as well.

Psalm 82:1, 6-7 ESV
[1] God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment:
[6] I said, “You are gods, sons of the Most High, all of you; [7] nevertheless, like men you shall die, and fall like any prince.”

Psalm 89:6-7 ESV
[6] For who in the skies can be compared to the Lord? Who among the heavenly beings is like the Lord, [7] a God greatly to be feared in the council of the holy ones, and awesome above all who are around him?

It's just that God (Yahwey) is the one true God above all the other gods. The one uncreated that is greater than all the others. So I wouldn't conflate this with polytheism.

 

[Apple Sky]

But likewise, I wouldn't expect the Biblical authors to be aware of 21st century science. It's not like they were familiar with space travel or anything like that.

What makes 21st century science correct ?

 

[Job 33:6]

What makes 21st century science correct ?

Things like, observation. For example, we've discovered polar bears and penguins. But the Isrealites wouldn't have known of such things, given their remote habitats.

 

[Apple Sky]

For example, we've discovered polar bears and penguins. But the Isrealites wouldn't have known of such things, given their remote habitats.

Well Noah must have or else they wouldn't exist today.

 

[trophy33]

Well Noah must have or else they wouldn't exist today.

Neither Genesis nor anything else in the Bible was written by Noah. Therefore, what he supposedly did or did not know is irrelevant.

 

[Apple Sky]

Neither Genesis nor anything else in the Bible was written by Noah. Therefore, what he supposedly did or did not know is irrelevant.

Everything that is written in the Bible is relevant.

 

[trophy33]

Everything that is written in the Bible is relevant.

I wrote - what Noah supposedly did or did not know is irrelevant, because he wrote nothing in the Bible. Try to be a more careful/attentive reader.

 

[Apple Sky]

I wrote - what Noah supposedly did or did not know is irrelevant, because he wrote nothing in the Bible.

I know that Noah never wrote in the Bible it was Moses, so what's your point ?

 

[trophy33]

I know that Noah never wrote in the Bible it was Moses, so what's your point ?

I stated my point twice, read it as many times as you want, but I will not repeat it again.

 

[Apple Sky]

I stated my point twice, read it as many times as you want, but I will not repeat it again.

Yep & both times they didn't make an ounce of sense.