How do we know Santa Claus doesn't exist?

[InterestedAtheist]

I have no interest in trying to inform a disingenuous adult that Santa doesn't exist within the umbrella of a broken epistemic paradigm. If you want to be ridiculous go for it, be you, but don't act as if anyone should have any interest over it.

Dear me. Another one not up to the challenge.
This thread has certainly made its point well!

 

[InterestedAtheist]

That's kind of you.

It would also be kind for me to stop talking about her behind her back, so to speak, and so I shall say no more.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

It would also be kind for me to stop talking about her behind her back, so to speak, and so I shall say no more.

You think I'm talking about her behind her back? Are you kidding me? What do you think talking behind someone's back even means? What're you even talk'n about?!

 

[InterestedAtheist]

You think I'm talking about her behind her back? Are you kidding me? What do you think talking behind someone's back even means? What're you even talk'n about?!

Sigh.
Philo, calm down. I know Silmarien can see this, and I'm not suggesting that you're engaging in a clandestine operation.
However, I don't know that she is reading this as we type these words, and if it were me I might not feel happy about two people talking about me in public without me knowing.
I did say it would be kind for me to stop talking about her. I'm not suggesting you did anything wrong in any way, shape or form.
So I'd like to leave it at that for now.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I certainly have seen acerbic atheists. Although many of them may have reasons for being angry, such as ex-gay therapy, for example. but I must say, I'm amused by the idea that the gentle criticism I give you or Silmarien makes her think I'm "demonic".

I can understand some of the anger out there. But then again, some of us Christians are angry because we've needed ex-Playboy Philosophy therapy (read this as: ex-Solomon Syndrome therapy ---and no, I'm not referring to the medical condition).

As for your having expressed (or leaked) various uncommonly 'serpentine sounds,' well, since you've admitted to not having a full familiarity with the Bible, I suppose we could, in some small way at least, extend some charity to you that, like the soldiers who crucified Jesus, you can be given because you "don't know what you're doing."

 

[Sanoy]

Dear me. Another one not up to the challenge.
This thread has certainly made its point well!

Yeah? What point is that?

List of Challenges I'm not interested in.
Painting my nails
Wearing my shoes on the wrong foot for a day
Putting myself in a cardboard box and mailing myself to my own house.
Becoming a Mime.
InterestedAthiest
Discovering a new letter for the alphabet
Shaving one of my eyebrows off.
Cutting an eye exam chart into my lawn.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Yeah? What point is that?

List of Challenges I'm not interested in.
Painting my nails
wearing my shoes on the wrong foot for a day
putting myself in a cardboard box and mailing myself to my own house.
becoming a mime.
InterestedAthiest
discovering a new letter for the alphabet
shaving one of my eyebrows off.
cutting out an eye exam chart into my lawn.

.....thank you for that, bro! I needed a good laugh this morning! Awesome!

 

[drich0150]

If you can follow or have a point by point discussion then there is no reason for me to continue.

Your responses are incoherent (literally arguing my own position against me) IE you do not understand what I have said, but in your own words agree with me but assuming I am arguing against you.

or you simply return to speaking out of cannon/mis representing santa as being a deity when Nothing in lore confirms this. You again are moving goal posts to try and create a tenable position. Which again is a logical fallacy and whether you understand this or not ends the discussion.

 

[Silmarien]

Are you sure you're being 100% honest with yourself here?

I don't think criticism is uncharitable. If I think someone is harming public discourse, I will say so. If you're engaging in activity which reinforces the Us vs. Them mentality, then you're harming public discourse. You are welcome to not care about such things, but I don't think it would be particularly nice of me to not be honest about this type of stuff.

I certainly have seen acerbic atheists. Although many of them may have reasons for being angry, such as ex-gay therapy, for example. but I must say, I'm amused by the idea that the gentle criticism I give you or Silmarien makes her think I'm "demonic".

It's the fact that you think that taking glee in mocking people amounts to "gentle criticism" that is almost demonic. This is classic bullying behavior. You intentionally rile people up so that you can nastily tell them that maybe they should go sit in the corner and calm down, and then even tried to leverage the fact that I'd admitted to having mild depression against me, saying that I needed psychological help for having a problem with your behavior. That is an almost comically disgusting thing to say, so yeah, the fact that you think that this is normal is highly disturbing.

 

[InterestedAtheist]

Yeah? What point is that?

List of Challenges I'm not interested in.
Painting my nails
Wearing my shoes on the wrong foot for a day
Putting myself in a cardboard box and mailing myself to my own house.
Becoming a Mime.
InterestedAthiest
Discovering a new letter for the alphabet
Shaving one of my eyebrows off.
Cutting an eye exam chart into my lawn.

Sour grapes, eh?

 

[InterestedAtheist]

I don't think criticism is uncharitable. If I think someone is harming public discourse, I will say so. If you're engaging in activity which reinforces the Us vs. Them mentality, then you're harming public discourse. You are welcome to not care about such things, but I don't think it would be particularly nice of me to not be honest about this type of stuff.

It's the fact that you think that taking glee in mocking people amounts to "gentle criticism" that is almost demonic. This is classic bullying behavior. You intentionally rile people up so that you can nastily tell them that maybe they should go sit in the corner and calm down, and then even tried to leverage the fact that I'd admitted to having mild depression against me, saying that I needed psychological help for having a problem with your behavior. That is an almost comically disgusting thing to say, so yeah, the fact that you think that this is normal is highly disturbing.

Sigh.
Silmarien, you clearly do need psychological help. While I am not under any obligation to provide it, I shall do so by refraining from giving you the opportunity to work yourself up any more.
Besides which, discussing your emotional difficulties is not the point of this thread. I'd be happy to engage you if you are willing to talk about theology without accusing your opponent of being demonic.
It is interesting, though, that a light-hearted "Can you disprove Santa?" discussion ended in a Christian having a meltdown.
Anyway. Goodbye!

 

[Sanoy]

Sour grapes, eh?

What? Your petty reply, whatever it means, left out my first question. What point do you think the thread has made? If you're not willing to surpass the standard you have achieved for making petty and trivial remarks I'll just chock this up to whatever illusion of grandeur you seem to be operating in.

 

[InterestedAtheist]

What? And what point did the thread make? Your petty reply, whatever it means, left that out.

I did, quite some time ago. Remember?
How do we know Santa Claus doesn't exist?

I said:
"I think you underestimate the extent to which some Christians will push themselves.
There are Christians who will tell you that the entire sum of scientific thought is incorrect - not just incorrect, but flatly wrong in every detail. There are Christians who say that the Earth is only six thousand years old. There are Christians who think that they are going to float up in the air, bodily, to heaven - any day now.
Put against that, a person believing that Christmas presents are delivered by a jolly polar genie seems very simple.
So let's play a game, shall we?
I'll pretend to be a person who really does believe that Santa Claus exists, and that it is he who delivers presents every Christmas. You see if you can demonstrate to me that I'm wrong."

And that's how my part in the thread started.
Now, let's get to it, shall we? I believe that Santa exists. I have been told, in this thread, that Santa can be disproven. I therefore invited Christians to disprove Santa to me. That's what me in this thread is about. You don't have to play the game, of course, if you don't want to. But please can you either:
a. Admit that you can't prove, demonstrate or at least make a good case for Santa not really existing.
b. Show that you can prove, demonstrate or make such a case, by doing so.
c. Or, failing both a and b, please not derail the thread.

 

[InterestedAtheist]

Or, to put it another way, @Sanoy :
a. Admit that you've lost the game.
b. Play the game and win.
c. State that you do not wish to play the game.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Or, to put it another way, @Sanoy :
a. Admit that you've lost the game.
b. Play the game and win.
c. State that you do not wish to play the game.

or d. Expose the game for what it is (Wittgenstein takes a bow...)

 

[InterestedAtheist]

or d. Expose the game for what it is (Wittgenstein takes a bow...)

And how will you do that?

 

[Sanoy]

I did, quite some time ago. Remember?
How do we know Santa Claus doesn't exist?

I said:
"I think you underestimate the extent to which some Christians will push themselves.
There are Christians who will tell you that the entire sum of scientific thought is incorrect - not just incorrect, but flatly wrong in every detail. There are Christians who say that the Earth is only six thousand years old. There are Christians who think that they are going to float up in the air, bodily, to heaven - any day now.
Put against that, a person believing that Christmas presents are delivered by a jolly polar genie seems very simple.
So let's play a game, shall we?
I'll pretend to be a person who really does believe that Santa Claus exists, and that it is he who delivers presents every Christmas. You see if you can demonstrate to me that I'm wrong."

And that's how my part in the thread started.
Now, let's get to it, shall we? I believe that Santa exists. I have been told, in this thread, that Santa can be disproven. I therefore invited Christians to disprove Santa to me. That's what me in this thread is about. You don't have to play the game, of course, if you don't want to. But please can you either:
a. Admit that you can't prove, demonstrate or at least make a good case for Santa not really existing.
b. Show that you can prove, demonstrate or make such a case, by doing so.
c. Or, failing both a and b, please not derail the thread.

The point of the thread is 130 posts in? Wow, I had no idea that the point of the thread was that there are Christians who believe in the Flat Earth.

Given how clear I have been that I have no interest in proving to a grown adult that santa doesn't exist it boggles my mind why you ask. I'm not entering the game because there is no reason for me to, and your epistemic paradigm is broken. If you think Santa puts presents under your tree see a doctor, if you have something against flat earth Christians they are on the science forums.

 

[InterestedAtheist]

What? Your petty reply, whatever it means, left out my first question. What point do you think the thread has made? If you're not willing to surpass the standard you have achieved for making petty and trivial remarks I'll just chock this up to whatever illusion of grandeur you seem to be operating in.

I suppose you could put it like this: that Christians can't handle their own arguments when they're used against them.

 

[InterestedAtheist]

The point of the thread is 130 posts in? Wow, I had no idea that the point of the thread was that there are Christians who believe in the Flat Earth.

Given how clear I have been that I have no interest in proving to a grown adult that santa doesn't exist it boggles my mind why you ask. I'm not entering the game because it's dumb. If you think Santa puts presents under you tree see a doctor, if you have something against flat earth Christians they are on the science forums.

Be fair, Sanoy. 130 posts in was about the point in which I joined the discussion. How do you expect me to go back in time and alter it?
Of course, that's the point where the discussion was interesting for me. But Big V already made the point on the very first post.

Anyway, I think a major point of this thread is now very clear: Christians can't handle their own arguments.

I thank you for clarifying it.

 

[Sanoy]

I suppose you could put it like this: that Christians can't handle their own arguments when they're used against them.

Several people have asked how they compare, and so far zero response to that. All we get from you is the conclusion that they do. Until you are willing to do that, I guess you will just have to pat yourself on the back.