How do I "stimulate", my Evolution? I can be stimulated to embrace the theory, but what next?

[AV1611VET]

Sorry, the authors of the Gospels were not illiterate.

If they were, they wouldn't be the [human] authors of the Gospels, would they?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

You can't hybridize humans with anything, so we are.. one kind.

If the inability to hybridize determines a 'kind', then there are a lot more kinds than the bible allows for - millions more.

 

[AV1611VET]

Of course they are. They are easily refuted.. Just like those of a Flat Earther.

I am not a non-flat earther because the Bible was refuted, I am a non-flat earther because the Bible is silent, and science says the Earth is round.

If the Bible says the Earth is flat, even you would see the Earth is flat.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

He may be somewhat right about single point mutations not being enough. Single point mutations are only one sort of mutation. Some genes are very critical and if there was only single point mutation evolution may not be possible.

Of course, it's possible he may be right, but confidently asserting it as a fact without evidence or argument is not adequate. I suspect there is no such evidence and that he doesn't have the knowledge to argue his point.

But there are other mutations that occur. One common one is gene duplication. An entire gene or even longer section of DNA can be copied and added to the genome. With a critical gene one version can do its job while the other can mutate and take on a new function.

Gene duplication - Wikipedia

Quite - that's why the rest of my post was about larger-scale chromosomal mutations.

 

[AV1611VET]

If the inability to hybridize determines a 'kind', then there are a lot more kinds than the bible allows for - millions more.

Kind = Genus

 

[Subduction Zone]

If they were, they wouldn't be the [human] authors of the Gospels, would they?

Another pointless post.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I am not a non-flat earther because the Bible was refuted, I am a non-flat earther because the Bible is silent, and science says the Earth is round.

If the Bible says the Earth is flat, even you would see the Earth is flat.

But it isn't. You just turn your cognitive dissonance up a notch when presented with Flat Earth verses.

 

[Jamdoc]

Jesus was only one part of the Trinity. Does Jesus need a human body?

To fulfill the requirements for us to be saved, yes. 1 man sinned, and so we all sin and we die. In order to fix that, 1 man had to live in perfect obedience, which is impossible for any person to do, and die in our place.
The only way to do this was for God to incarnate Himself in a human body, so that He could Himself fulfill the law, and die in our place.
Without God incarnating as a human, in a human body, we have no hope of redemption from sin.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Do respect where you are posting, and don't make it your goal to make new Atheists out of Christians here.

These are the 'Physical & Life Sciences' forums; we are quite entitled to describe the science, whether it contradicts biblical descriptions or not. If you're not comfortable with science that you feel contradicts your beliefs, that's your problem.

If you go to the extreme of "we all evolved naturally from single celled organisms" now you've crossed a line.
Because you are taking God out of the equation, on a Christian Board.

No; you can insert God wherever you like - but it won't change the science.

at best, you could say that Humans were specifically genetically engineered. Afterall, Eve was actually cloned from Adam. Genesis 2 actually involves Adam being put under anesthesia, and a flat bone (where most hematopoeisis takes place in adults) that contains one of the best sources of stem cells in an adult human body was surgically removed, and the wound was surgically healed.
Yeah, you can make that argument that humans were genetically engineered I think

That's an interpretation that matches the 'technologically advanced aliens' hypothesis better than the God hypothesis. An omnipotent God wouldn't need any of that palaver.

What you can't make without directly contradicting the bible, is saying mankind evolved from apes.

Nevertheless, humans are apes - there are multiple independent lines of evidence that overwhelmingly indicate that they evolved from apes. This could only be non-contradictory if God had deliberately and specifically made all those lines of evidence consistent with humans evolving from apes; i.e. a deliberate deception.

Do I hear a 'God works in mysterious ways'?

 

[AV1611VET]

You just turn your cognitive dissonance up a notch when presented with Flat Earth verses.

I'm not the one who "turns it up a notch" from literal to overliteral.

 

[Jamdoc]

So he no longer needed the body once he rose from the dead.

He does though, because the promise was always to live amongst us.

 

[Subduction Zone]

To fulfill the requirements for us to be saved, yes. 1 man sinned, and so we all sin and we die. In order to fix that, 1 man had to live in perfect obedience, which is impossible for any person to do, and die in our place.
The only way to do this was for God to incarnate Himself in a human body, so that He could Himself fulfill the law, and die in our place.
Without God incarnating as a human, in a human body, we have no hope of redemption from sin.

Perhaps that is merely a morality tale. The Bible even disagrees about the sins of the parents being passed down.

What you are talking about now is your personal interpretation of the Bible. It could be wrong.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I'm not the one who "turns it up a notch" from literal to overliteral.

Sorry, but YEC is already turning it up to eleven. And being KJV only believer appears to be one more notch.

 

[Subduction Zone]

He does though, because the promise was always to live amongst us.

Again, your personal interpretation.

How would you test your interpretations?

 

[AV1611VET]

Sorry, but YEC is already turning it up to eleven. And being KJV only believer appears to be one more notch.

Suit yourself.

 

[Jamdoc]

Perhaps that is merely a morality tale. The Bible even disagrees about the sins of the parents being passed down.

What you are talking about now is your personal interpretation of the Bible. It could be wrong.

I'm not talking about "Original Sin" doctrine where we're all guilty of Adam's sin, you're right, that's absurd.
But Adam sinning changed our entire nature, in that we now ALL sin, on our own.
You're not guilty of Adam's sin you're guilty of your sins, just as I'm guilty of my sins as well.
The difference is, I recognize my need for a savior and found it in Jesus Christ, my sins are forgiven. You don't seem to recognize the need for a savior.

 

[SkyWriting]

The post was about extinction of species.

If your foot was an example of good design, it wouldn't be 'wonky'.

I don't expect you to understand that it works fine and without pain.

 

[SkyWriting]

Just because there was no designer does not mean that life is an accident and even if that was correct life would still have value.

Why do you believe this? Has someone been telling you lies? You should not believe the lies that some Christians make about atheists.

In this thread somebody is explaining that God doesn't exist
based on my crooked foot being poorly designed. So nobody has to lie about that.

 

[AV1611VET]

In this thread somebody is explaining that God doesn't exist based on my crooked foot being poorly designed. So nobody has to lie about that.

I guess the Ford Pinto shows Henry Ford never existed then.

 

[Frank Robert]

Humans are the exception, because Humans have a specific creation and specific purpose.

That is a belief, no problem.

You can't hybridize humans with anything, so we are.. one kind.

Today humans are one species, but it was not always so. There were several human species and there is fossil evidence and dna evidence of interbreeding.

Now if you want to have the Homo genus as a kind and there have been other Homo species? okay then, but they were other species of humans.
Not apes.
You're not going to be able to hybridize through sexual reproduction, any Homo with any Pan.

No one has suggested that humans species can interbreed with other ape species.