How do I live ONLY IN THE SPIRIT?

Lost4words · Jul 22, 2019

J Daniel said:
So a father is happy to allow his child to kill themself?

Cos I dunno about you but if I had a child - I would prevent them from killing them self (IF I KNEW ABOUT IT)

We got free will. We can choose. We know right from wrong.

Gregory Thompson · Jul 22, 2019

How do I live ONLY IN THE SPIRIT?

J Daniel said:
Apparently, this will solve all my problems in life.

J Daniel said:
I was told: prayer and fasting is not the way.

So please, tell me.

J Daniel said:
Okay so I just have to believe ok i already believed Jesus died on cross for everyone's sins. Yes.

Now what?

J Daniel said:
I AM REALLY TRYING HERE MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! COS I DON'T LIKE NOT BEING IN CONTROL OF MY FUTURE AND LEAVING THINGS IN THE OPEN!

I can appreciate the logical struggle you are expressing here.

In my mind, I separate two things.

I believed in Jesus and became born again, this started the new life.

Meanwhile, my old memories filled the space of the identity vaccuum because a baby doesn't know who they are.

So the first waypoint on that journey was seeing the difference between the New person I became when I was born again by the Holy Spirit, and the false identity created by the body using my memories. However, it might be different for you.

Living in the Spirit is living from the promptings of the new person you became when you were born again. The promptings of the Spiritual self are counter intuitive since it is like a rushing wind, and the old memory self is like the earth, impulsive and has instant gratification to advertise its existence.

You can "live in the Spirit only" when you have a firm identity of who this new creation is that came to being when you were born again by the Holy Spirit. Since each new creation has a unique purpose, the way to "discern" what your new creation is like may vary, since "the things of the spirit are hostile" to the instincts of the body.

Since it takes a long time to realize, I would recommend to continue in faith, faith is like breathing. Faith can also be translated as Trust when applied to relationships. If you have trust issues, focus on that. Sky walking can come later.

J Daniel · Jul 22, 2019

Lost4words said:
We know right from wrong.

So you're saying it is wrong to get away from HELL?

J Daniel · Jul 22, 2019

Michael Collum said:
Since it takes a long time to realize, I would recommend to continue in faith, faith is like breathing. Faith can also be translated as Trust when applied to relationships. If you have trust issues, focus on that. Sky walking can come later.

I am not gonna pray for a while.

Lost4words · Jul 22, 2019

J Daniel said:
So you're saying it is wrong to get away from HELL?

Hell on earth?

J Daniel · Jul 22, 2019

Lost4words said:
Hell on earth?

if you going through misery on earth that is hell

Gregory Thompson · Jul 22, 2019

J Daniel said:
I am not gonna pray for a while.

So is the nature of the new life.

Unlike any other religion, the life transformation called "being born again" in Christianity is essential to understanding anything about it.

Lost4words · Jul 22, 2019

J Daniel said:
if you going through misery on earth that is hell

I know. I know what its like.

But, why should i let satan have his way? Why should give in to him? He wants us to run from God and jump into his arms. No way! However hard it gets i am not giving up on God.

J Daniel · Jul 22, 2019

Michael Collum said:
So is the nature of the new life.

looks that way

J Daniel · Jul 22, 2019

Lost4words said:
am not giving up on God.

He has given up on me - i am past help - tbh not even Satan can do anything for me good or bad - that is how f*@ked up I am. NO SPIRIT wants to be inside of me. And when Satan doesn't even want to be in your spirit you know you are a CAR CRASH!

Lost4words · Jul 22, 2019

J Daniel said:
He has given up on me - i am past help - tbh not even Satan can do anything for me good or bad - that is how f*@ked up I am. NO SPIRIT wants to be inside of me. And when Satan doesn't even want to be in your spirit you know you are a CAR CRASH!

Why are you thinking like that? Really? Why?

J Daniel · Jul 22, 2019

Lost4words said:
Why are you thinking like that? Really? Why?

I am done lying to myself (lying to yourself is the worst thing ever) I sometimes think maybe this i God punishing me for the ills I participated in in the past - and this is his way to *humble* me. But it is having catastrophic results cos it is putting me in a place to dwell further.

bmjackson · Jul 22, 2019

Please do not give up on the Lord or on life itself. There is a way out for you. It does not have to be like this. Put yourself in His hands and step off the cliff. He will be there. Absolute and utter submission is required.

Gregory Thompson · Jul 22, 2019

I find God meets me where ever I'm at, even if it's in hell.

There are no easy answers, just hard work that seems futile for the longest time.

But it's not.

Takes forever for the field of the heart to be fertile for seed to grow,

then it takes forever to understand what Jesus meant by good seed

then it takes forever, to understand what to do once the seeds start growing.

I don't recall getting much help figuring out what I needed to do. If you can connect with a believer further along than yourself to help guide you in your path, it's beneficial .. but I didn't get that, God did it instead.

But being honest with yourself is a good place to start, I recognize that much in any situation.

Submission or surrender is a matured manifestation of trust or faith, so that may come later for you.

Lost4words · Jul 22, 2019

J Daniel said:
I am done lying to myself (lying to yourself is the worst thing ever) I sometimes think maybe this i God punishing me for the ills I participated in in the past - and this is his way to *humble* me. But it is having catastrophic results cos it is putting me in a place to dwell further.

I see.

You need spiritual guidance. You need someone who can direct you, guide you and help discuss your feelings etc.

In the Catholic Church we have spiritual directors. Though, some are good whiles others not so good.

You are going through a very rough time in your life. Now is the easiest time for you to give in. This is what the devil wants. He is screaming at you to give up on God. Give up on everything. DONT!

Dig deep. Plant your feet firmly in your faith.

Think of Jesus, carrying His cross, in pain, everyone spitting in His face, whipping Him, laughing at Him. He carried on to more suffering and death. He knew what was coming. He knew He would rise again!

Same with us. We suffer. Some more than others. Some get it easy. Some, a TERRIBLE time. You have to look forward and see the finish line. Through all that life throws at us. Our trophy is heaven. Being with God. Surviving all that life throws at us. Why? Because we have FAITH. We love God! No matter the hardships.

The narrow road is extremely narrow! Be strong. You have friends here. You are not alone.

iLearn · Jul 22, 2019

J Daniel said:
I AM REALLY TRYING HERE MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! COS I DON'T LIKE NOT BEING IN CONTROL OF MY FUTURE AND LEAVING THINGS IN THE OPEN!

Exactly why you fail. You need to be broken.

fhansen · Jul 22, 2019

J Daniel said:
I am done lying to myself (lying to yourself is the worst thing ever) I sometimes think maybe this i God punishing me for the ills I participated in in the past - and this is his way to *humble* me. But it is having catastrophic results cos it is putting me in a place to dwell further.

Sounds like you want some big dramatic spiritual event to happen to you to prove God's existence. But He wants you to show your faith first, to want something bigger and better than this world has to offer, and expect that it exists. Its up to you. Either live your life as if there is a good God at the end of the road, or live it as if everything you see and do now is all there is-no real purpose or meaning to it in the end. Grab what you can get while you can because tomorrow the end of the road comes, with nothing more.

Otherwise keep asking, keep seeking, keep knocking and you will find. You have to want it.

Lost4words · Jul 22, 2019

God has brought you to these forums @J Daniel. Dont you think so? I do.

You are seeking help and guidance. Ok, it may seem like nobody or nothing is helping you escape from your concerns but, here you are! God does work in mysterious ways my friend.

I pray and hope that you will find peace.

S.O.J.I.A. · Jul 22, 2019

By trusting and obeying the LORD and spending time in scripture learning what that means.

I strongly suggest getting on a Bible reading plan. Start with the gospels and go from there.

J Daniel · Jul 22, 2019

fhansen said:
Sounds like you want some big dramatic spiritual event to happen to you to prove God's existence. But He wants you to show your faith first,

YES MAKING EXCUSES FOR GOD! I hate when people do that! Making excuses for him like some dead beat father.
I need to be spoken to! I need that - not talking about PROVING HE EXISTS like I am some BIG BANG THEORY BELIEVER!

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