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Featured How do I explain that Homosexuality is Wrong While Reassuring Others Of God's Love?

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Rawtheran, Mar 15, 2020.

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  1. civilwarbuff

    civilwarbuff Well-Known Member Supporter

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    So what that says is that 45% of younger evangelicals don't know what the Bible says or maybe does not believe it....in which case they see their church as a social club. Does not speak well of evangelical churches if true....which from my own personal experience have found not to be true.
     
  2. JIMINZ

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    That only means, the Churches have done a ---- poor job of teaching.
     
  3. JIMINZ

    JIMINZ Well-Known Member

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    Does anybody posting to this thread understand the reason Homosexuality came into being, the actual reason for it's beginnings?
     
  4. hedrick

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    I've often wondered how an evangelical can accept homosexuality. For mainline Christians it's obvious: we don't think Paul meant what you think he did. But it's not so clear that this apply to young evangelicals. There are a number of possibilities, but lack of teaching surely isn't one of them. If it's one thing that everyone in the US knows, it's that traditional evangelicals think homosexuality is the unforgiveable sin, and they're convinced that the Bible says that. It's simply not plausible that kids in a youth group would be ignorant of that.

    My own suspicion is that they have de facto abandoned inerrancy. If, they think, their gay friends don't look anything like the description in Rom 1, perhaps the Bible is wrong, at least on this issue. I'm only guessing. That's not my own position. Unfortunately, while we've got lots of surveys about beliefs of young people, I've never seen a real answer to this.

    Perhaps we can look at the American Catholic Church as a model. We know that most Catholics in the US think homosexuality is OK. Surely they are not ignorant of their church's official position. But there have been enough disagreements between Catholic teachings on gender and sexual issues and their own experiences that they've just stopped paying attention to church teachings on those subjects. This doesn't mean that they aren't otherwise faithful Catholics. Nor is it likely that somehow improving the quality of Catholic teaching will affect this.
     
  5. hedrick

    hedrick Senior Veteran Supporter

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    Sure, but I doubt you'd agree. Furthermore, I think there's been a change over time. As it's become more mainstream, I think there are an increasing number of homosexuals who have rather different characteristics from those 50 years ago.
     
  6. JIMINZ

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    Don't be too hasty to assume I would disagree, although I very well might, from the things I have seen written here today.

    I base my belief, on nothing more than what the word itself says caused Homosexuality to come into being.
     
  7. Rawtheran

    Rawtheran Lightmaker For Christ

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    Thank you all for your understanding, wisdom, and your posts
     
  8. Rawtheran

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    This is awesome Krist, many thanks!
     
  9. Aussie Pete

    Aussie Pete Well-Known Member Supporter

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    They need to know that love is not love. Lord Jesus said that if you love Him, you will do what He says. The first commandment is to love God above everything. God makes is clear in His word that homosexuality is the consequence of human rebellion - the opposite of loving God.

    There are 3 kinds of love. It's a weakness in the English language that Satan uses to twist God's word. There is physical love (Greek eros, where we get the word "erotic from). There is brotherly love (Greek phileo, where we get the word philanthropic from). Then there is real love, unconditional that only God has. The nearest we can get is mother's love, that stands by her child no matter what. The Greek word is "agape". There is no equivalent in English.

    Early in my Christian life I had a bit to do with homosexuals. One thing that surprised me was how often they came from Christian homes. Perhaps it's not so surprising - Romans 1 states that homosexuality is direct rebellion against God.

    How do you witness? The gospel is just as much for homosexuals as anyone else. I do make the point that sin is sin and I do not single out homosexuality. Also it is the work of the Holy Spirit to convict of sin. Unless the sinner is cut to the heart, the word cannot get in. Mental agreement is not salvation. Something like 95% of those who "make decisions" fall away for that reason. They were never saved in the first place.
     
  10. Rawtheran

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    JMINZ I think I should clarify my post a bit more for you because you're reading into this wrong. Firstly the church in which this conversation took place at is a church of the Nazarene and second the other Youth Leader and myself are licensed candidates for ministry so we very much understand and know what the word says on homosexuality. The problem was HOW the answer was delivered. The other Youth Leader who's name I won't mention online is more liberal than myself when it comes to homosexuality so how we both explained it was different. Secondly, the majority of our group believes in the supernatural such as angels, demons, etc. and as a Charismatic Christians you and I are both well aware that homosexual tendencies and thoughts begin with the demonic attaching itself onto a person. I do agree with others posts though that maybe this was not the direction in which I should have gone and should have explained that it is confusion.
     
  11. Rawtheran

    Rawtheran Lightmaker For Christ

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    This 100%. I will admit that before I was saved I did not think homosexuality was sinful.
     
  12. Mountainmanbob

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    FeaturedHow do I explain that Homosexuality is Wrong While Reassuring Others Of God's Love?


    God loves us but,
    he does not like our sin (sinning)
    think all know that
    both saved and not saved.

    M-Bob
     
  13. Aussie Pete

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    Glad to help. I lost a good friend to AIDS. He gave up his sin when he got saved but backslid. He went back to his old lifestyle and it killed him.
     
  14. hedrick

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    I thought about a reply, but I think we should stay within an area that would help the OP. I will only say that while it's clear there have been same-sex relations in all cultures, there have been very great differences in how they worked. E.g. during the 1st Cent the only class of relationships that we'd consider moral today were considered immoral, and visa versa. When I first started thinking about these things a few decades ago there was this concept that the Greeks had a more positive attitude. But as we learn more it's becoming clear that actual Greek / Roman practices are not something that today's gays would want. At least not Christian gays -- there's just as great a variety of expressions today as in the past.
     
  15. Jonaitis

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    I would say how you present yourself is very important. You need the right body language and tone, but continue to leave the message unchanged. Ray Comfort is a wonderful example of this, and the reaction is always pleasant.
     
  16. JIMINZ

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    Thank you for your reply, after reading it, I think I fully understand your position on the issue
     
  17. redleghunter

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    Do we determine our beliefs based on polls?
     
  18. hedrick

    hedrick Senior Veteran Supporter

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    No, but we do determine people's beliefs that way.
     
  19. GingerBeer

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    I do not know of any church that is universal nor of any that has a doctrine about homosexuality that is universally accepted.
     
  20. bekkilyn

    bekkilyn Contemplative Christian Supporter

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    I don't think you can convince someone of God's love while at the same time condemning who someone is as a person, considering that many if not most people believe that homosexuals are born that way. You may just have to accept that people, even within the same church, have differing views on the subject and move on to a more appropriate focus on the good news. I personally don't believe the topic of homosexuality is a hill worth dying over, so to speak. We put our faith and trust in Jesus Christ and he will work with us where we are right now. He died for us while we were yet sinners and he isn't going to abandon us.
     
  21. GingerBeer

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    weren't Isaac, Jacob, and numerous other old testament saints polygamous?
     
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