How do I ACTUALLY be saved?

[Halbhh]

You did not get it , that question was unanswerable because I based it on bad presupposition . You by answering that made claim that God commited or wanted to commit a sin which is against his own nature .

The point of that question was for people to realize repentance does not mean turning away from sin .

No, you've put that interpretation on it. I said no such thing. Watch yourself as you try to trick, trap, and judge others! Christ's words will apply to all.

 

[Chinchilla]

Let's look at what you need --
http://biblehub.com/matthew/18-3.htm

When you address a believer beware http://biblehub.com/matthew/5-22.htm
That's for real you know.

Good point , unless you be born again and become like little child you won't see the Kingdom , that's why you are sealed with seed of God inside of you which can't sin and is blameless like a child .

That has nothing to do with what your flesh does and with it's sin . Wage of sin is death and your flesh will die no matter what . That's why we will get new bodies

1 Corinthians 15
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.


Putting your flesh under submission and crucyfing it daily does not give salvation nor keep you being saved , you only show God your love and you will get inheritance for doing so .

 

[gomerian]

Many Christians worship God and preach the Gospel of Jesus’ works of salvation. But really most of these people’s hearts are blind and do not understand what they are talking about. They go on talking about Jesus’ salvation and keep the commandment as much as they can which is good. But once they commit sin

... we remember that Jesus told us what we must do.

Matthew 5:23-24 If, therefore, thou mayest bring thy gift to the altar, and there mayest remember that thy brother hath anything against thee, leave there thy gift before the altar, and go -- first be reconciled to thy brother, and then having come bring thy gift.

Matthew 18:15 And if thy brother may sin against thee, go and show him his fault between thee and him alone, if he may hear thee, thou didst gain thy brother;

1 John 1:9-10 if we may confess our sins, stedfast He is and righteous that He may forgive us the sins, and may cleanse us from every unrighteousness; if we may say -- 'we have not sinned,' a liar we make Him, and His word is not in us.

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"Verily, verily, I say to you, He who is not entering through the door to the fold of the sheep, but is going up from another side, that one is a thief and a robber; and he who is entering through the door is shepherd of the sheep; to this one the doorkeeper doth open, and the sheep hear his voice, and his own sheep he doth call by name, and doth lead them forth; and when his own sheep he may put forth, before them he goeth on, and the sheep follow him, because they have known his voice; and a stranger they will not follow, but will flee from him, because they have not known the voice of strangers." (John 10)

 

[Chinchilla]

No, you've put that interpretation on it. I said no such thing. Watch yourself as you try to trick, trap, and judge others! Christ's words will apply to all.

There are no tricks here , you made truth statement .

The question was of nature " when did you stop beating your wife ". If you did not beat your wife ever then you can't answer that question because it presuppose that you did beat your wife .

You by answering make a truth statement that you did beat your wife so you can't answer it and should point towards the bad presupposition that the questioner made which was that you ever beat your wife .


Jesus did it all the time , phariasies tried to make him break the law by asking him questions with bad presuppositions but he would question the questioner instead so they could see that thier presuppositions were wrong .

There is one of this questions for example Matthew 22

41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,

42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David.

43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,

44 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?

46 And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.

 

[Chinchilla]

... we remember that Jesus told us what we must do.

Matthew 5:23-24 If, therefore, thou mayest bring thy gift to the altar, and there mayest remember that thy brother hath anything against thee, leave there thy gift before the altar, and go -- first be reconciled to thy brother, and then having come bring thy gift.

Matthew 18:15 And if thy brother may sin against thee, go and show him his fault between thee and him alone, if he may hear thee, thou didst gain thy brother;

1 John 1:9-10 if we may confess our sins, stedfast He is and righteous that He may forgive us the sins, and may cleanse us from every unrighteousness; if we may say -- 'we have not sinned,' a liar we make Him, and His word is not in us.

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"Verily, verily, I say to you, He who is not entering through the door to the fold of the sheep, but is going up from another side, that one is a thief and a robber; and he who is entering through the door is shepherd of the sheep; to this one the doorkeeper doth open, and the sheep hear his voice, and his own sheep he doth call by name, and doth lead them forth; and when his own sheep he may put forth, before them he goeth on, and the sheep follow him, because they have known his voice; and a stranger they will not follow, but will flee from him, because they have not known the voice of strangers." (John 10)

People to which Jesus spoke were not sealed with Holy Spirit , you can see aswell that in this dispensation Jesus is talking about sacrifices .

We are in different dispensation . Jews would give a sacrifice to the high-priest to make offering to God , but now our high-priest is Jesus Christ and we don't do any sacrifices because he did one sacrifice for all and it's enought to please God forever .


Hebrews 10
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:

12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.

14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.


Hebrews 5:10 King James Version (KJV)
10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.

 

[gomerian]

David was not sealed by Holy Spirit

Jesus never says anything about being sealed by the Holy Spirit, either.

The only seal that Jesus mentions is the 144k of Revelation. They follow Jesus wherever He goes. They keep His commandments and have His testimony. They are all about works, just as David was... and David was the man after God's own heart. He didn't pretend that he never sinned... his sin was eating him alive. I could stand being around more people like David.

 

[gomerian]

People to which Jesus spoke were not sealed with Holy Spirit , you can see aswell that in this dispensation Jesus is talking about sacrifices .

We are in different dispensation . Jews would give a sacrifice to the high-priest to make offering to God , but now our high-priest is Jesus Christ and we don't do any sacrifices because he did one sacrifice for all and it's enought to please God forever .

Dispensation literally means house law. In other words, a different law.
YOU are under that different dispensation, not me.
I follow Jesus wherever He goes.

 

[Chinchilla]

Jesus never says anything about being sealed by the Holy Spirit, either.

The only seal that Jesus mentions is the 144k of Revelation. Those ones follow Jesus wherever He goes. They keep His commandments and have His testimony. They are all about works, just as David was... and David was the man after God's own heart. He didn't pretend that he never sinned... his sin was eating him alive. I could stand being around more people like David.

Exactly correct because that was dispensation of the Gospel of Kingdom and people were not Sealed because Holy Spirit was not yet given , it was given at Pentecost .

Luke 16:16-18 King James Version (KJV)
16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

Jews rejected the Kingdom , so God took the gospel to gentiles throught Paul .

Romans 11:25 King James Version (KJV)
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Mystery is something true but never revealed before , when Jesus came he preached Kingdom of God is at hand , and told his disciples to preach only to Jews

Matthew 10:5-42 King James Version (KJV)
5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

This is not the gospel for gentiles like you and me , we are under gospel of Grace , in Revelation the church age stops and it goes back to the Gospel of Kingdom , they are different exclusive gospels .

The Gospel for today is found in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4

1 Corinthians 15 King James Version (KJV)
15 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

It is free gift because Jews rejected it , so to provoke them to jealousy God made it free .
Romans 11:11
“I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.”


They are very different gospels contradicting each other and if you have wrong one you are not forgiven and still cursed according to Paul .
Paul's gospel for today -

Galatians 1 King James Version (KJV)
6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Revelation 14 King James Version (KJV)
That gospel is contradicting the one preached in Revelation

6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

 

[Chinchilla]

Dispensation literally means house law. In other words, a different law.
YOU are under that different dispensation, not me.
I follow Jesus wherever He goes.

Then you would follow what he revealed to Paul .

Galatians 1 King James Version (KJV)
1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead
12 “For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.”

Please read again what I said or you will end up like many . It's serious .
Matthew 7:21-23 King James Version (KJV)
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

 

[JojoM]

... we remember that Jesus told us what we must do.

Matthew 5:23-24 If, therefore, thou mayest bring thy gift to the altar, and there mayest remember that thy brother hath anything against thee, leave there thy gift before the altar, and go -- first be reconciled to thy brother, and then having come bring thy gift.

Matthew 18:15 And if thy brother may sin against thee, go and show him his fault between thee and him alone, if he may hear thee, thou didst gain thy brother;

1 John 1:9-10 if we may confess our sins, stedfast He is and righteous that He may forgive us the sins, and may cleanse us from every unrighteousness; if we may say -- 'we have not sinned,' a liar we make Him, and His word is not in us.

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"Verily, verily, I say to you, He who is not entering through the door to the fold of the sheep, but is going up from another side, that one is a thief and a robber; and he who is entering through the door is shepherd of the sheep; to this one the doorkeeper doth open, and the sheep hear his voice, and his own sheep he doth call by name, and doth lead them forth; and when his own sheep he may put forth, before them he goeth on, and the sheep follow him, because they have known his voice; and a stranger they will not follow, but will flee from him, because they have not known the voice of strangers." (John 10)

Yes, those are Bible verses and they are certainly holy and true. Praise God who has paid for all my sins and redeemed me eternally.

 

[ladodgers6]

No, we need to obey the Lord's commandments. Sin causes trouble in our lives.

Yes, I understand. But sinners are justified not by anything they have done or will do. Sinners are justified by who Christ is, and what he has done. And this good news for the ungodly is received as a Free Gift through Faith Alone!

 

[gomerian]

Exactly correct because that was dispensation of the Gospel of Kingdom and people were not Sealed because Holy Spirit was not yet given , it was given at Pentecost .

Jews rejected the Kingdom , so God took the gospel to gentiles throught Paul .

Jesus came he preached Kingdom of God is at hand , and told his disciples to preach only to Jews

This is not the gospel for gentiles like you and me , we are under gospel of Grace , in Revelation the church age stops and it goes back to the Gospel of Kingdom , they are different exclusive gospels .

John 20:19-22 Then the same day at evening, being the first [day] of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace [be] unto you... 22 And when He had said this, He breathed on [them], and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: (not pentecost)

Matthew 28:19-20 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world." (said to the 11 Disciples)

Matthew 15:24 But He answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. (not Judah/Benjamin)

"I am the good shepherd, and I know My [sheep], and am known by Mine, according as the Father doth know Me, and I know the Father, and My life I lay down for the sheep, and other sheep I have that are not of this fold, these also it behoveth Me to bring, and My voice they will hear, and there shall become one flock -- one shepherd."(Jesus, in John 10, YLT)

Revelation 1:19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;

Some of the things which are, at that point in time (ca. 110-113 A.D.)
Revelation 2:2, Revelation 2:9, Revelation 2:13, Revelation 2:14, Revelation 2:15, Revelation 6:9

By my reckoning, you're currently waiting for the rider of the black horse.
Revelation is not linear.
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Those who don't know their ancestory to the nth degree, may literally be Israelite.
The only clue may be the fact that they DO HEAR JESUS, and can FOLLOW no one else.
Those who are drawn by the Law, to the Kingdom Gospel of Jesus,
should not be discouraged from entering in
to the Kingdom of God, through the DoorWay of the sheep.
"Heaven and earth shall pass away, but My words shall not pass away."(Jesus)

 

[gomerian]

Then you would follow what he revealed to Paul .

Matthew 7:21-23 King James Version (KJV)
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Earlier you said that only the gentiles are under your new house law, but that the Kingdom Gospel is for the Lost Tribes of the House of Israel (you said Jews, meaning Judah/Benjamin, but that is not correct).

Now you're saying that people who follow the Kingdom Gospel... are condemned by the Kingdom Gospel? That can't happen, so there must be a flaw in your theory. And here it is: The word iniquity is anomia, which literally means witout-law. Jesus isn't speaking to the people who follow the Kingdom Gospel, in Matthew 7:21-23.

If you're right about the two separate gospels for two separate people, and multiple ages with different house laws, then Jesus is speaking (in Matthew 7:21-23) to the people who are following your house law during a period of time that His Kingdom Gospel is in effect.

In any case, those who are not gentiles, are free from your house law, at any point in time. We don't denigrate what gentiles believe, because it has nothing to do with us. We keep Jesus' commandments, and follow Him wherever He goes... One Shepherd.

 

[dreadnought]

Yes, I understand. But sinners are justified not by anything they have done or will do. Sinners are justified by who Christ is, and what he has done. And this good news for the ungodly is received as a Free Gift through Faith Alone!

The Lord forgives the repentant sinner and expects him to learn from his mistakes.

 

[gomerian]

Yes, those are Bible verses and they are certainly holy and true. Praise God who has paid for all my sins and redeemed me eternally.

Under the Kingdom Gospel
for the Lost Tribes of the House of Israel, there is nobody without-law.

 

[Alithis]

Hello,

I don't feel very motivated in life because I just don't know what could happen in the future. Right now, I do believe and love God, but because of my great sin, I feel that in the future I might fall away from God. I'd just like to know what any of you people have to say about the questions below. If any of you could answer these for me, I'd really appreciate it. Thank you!

1. God says in Ephesians 2:8-9: For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast. God is saying that it is not our doing that earns us salvation, but only Jesus' doing. But God says several times in the Bible that I must believe in the Lord, Jesus to be saved. Isn't believing in Jesus my doing? And I'm a sinner, so I don't trust my own doing. What if, because I'm a sinner, I don't believe in Jesus in the future?

2. Based on question 1 above, is there anything in the Bible that could give me confidence that I won't lose salvation in the future?

3. What do you all think about "once saved, always saved"? If I am saved now, will I always be saved? Can my salvation be taken away from me? Below are two links regarding this topic, one from gotquestions.org and wels.net . gotquestions.org (a very popular online Christian FAQ) says that once you are saved, you are always saved. The link provides a lot of Bible references too. But wels.net , also providing a lot of Bible references, says that a Christian can fall from the faith. The links are right below:

https://www.gotquestions.org/once-saved-always-saved.html

https://wels.net/faq/position-on-once-saved-always-saved/

Could you give a biblical answer on which of the links, if any of them, is correct?

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To be honest, I'm kind of in panic mode. I don't want to do good works my entire life just to be confident that God would be pleased with me. I know God loves me. But with the unanswered questions above, I don't know if I will love God in the future. I ask that you take the time to answer these questions when you get the chance. Thank you again!

For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast.

THROUGH faith ... oh how long will people mutilate the scriptural out of context-its not because you HAVE a mystical thing called faith. its because you believe what JESUS said and you obey him. FAITH is the action you take when you truly believe the one speaking .

its so so so simple .

if I told you they are giving away the latest "I phone" to the first 100 customers to arrive at such and such a store.. those that say they believe me (but dont really) will stay home and DO nothing .
those that REALLY DO believe me ..will act in faith .. they will hurry to that store and try to be the first 100 people there so they might receive the reward of their faith in my words .

just SO if ANYONE believes in JESUS then they believe what he SAYS and they IMMEDIATELY go and DO it and keep doing it .
AND THEY WILL NOT PERISH

but those who say oh yes yes we believe in him just believe just believe -but they DON'T DO what he says to do -- they will NOT obtain what is promised not ever not in an eternity will they ever enter the kingdom of Heaven .

FAITH is the ACTION you TAKE when you truly believe what is said
you want to LIVE? ..do what life says to do - his name is JESUS.

 

[justbyfaith]

We all sin.

That's not what the Bible teaches. What it does teach is that: Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not (1 John 3:6); and whosoever doeth the will of God abideth for ever (1 John 2:17).

Now Romans 3:23 may seem to support your statement but really it does not. We all come short of the glory of God in that we have sinned; not necessarily in that we do sin.

Romans 3:10-18 is interpreted by a comparison of Romans 3:19 to Romans 6:14, and a comparison of Romans 3:9 to 1 Corinthians 10:32.

1 Timothy 1:15, if you take a closer look at the context, Paul is giving present tense credence to his past sin which in context he has repented of. It is very much like an alcoholic who has been clean and sober fifty years says that he is still an alcoholic to his AA group; although the practice of drinking alcohol has been gone from his life for quite some time.

If we all sin then the command by John the Baptist, Jesus, and the apostles to repent is meaningless. Repentance is impossible if we all sin. If we all sin then there is no one who has ever truly repented; and the statement that we all sin implies that we cannot ever come to a place in our lives where we don't sin. If that is true, then no one can truly repent, and the command to repent (and much of the rest of the Bible also) is also meaningless.

Finally, the concept that "we all sin" is the most common excuse people have for not repenting of their sins when God calls them to do so.

 

[ladodgers6]

The Lord forgives the repentant sinner and expects him to learn from his mistakes.

Yes, the Lord forgives the repentant SINNER. But this is not the ground of his/Her justification because a Holy Righteous God for demands perfect obedience to His Holy, Good and Righteous Law!

Until we are reconciled to God by Christ Alone; by His Active & Passion Obedience.

"...the Lord Christ fulfilled the whole law for us; He did not only undergo the penalty of it due unto our sins, but also yielded that perfect obedience which it did require... Christ's fulfilling of the law, in obedience unto its commands, is no less imputed unto us for our justification than His undergoing the penalty of it is." - John Owen

Dr. Robert L. Reymond defines the active obedience of Christ as:
“Christ’s full obedience to all the prescriptions of the divine law…[making] available a perfect righteousness before the law that is imputed or reckoned to those who put their trust in him.

Dr. Robert L. Reymond defines the passive obedience of Christ as:
“[Christ's] willing obedience in bearing all the sanctions imposed by that law against his people because of their transgression…[being] the ground of God’s justification of sinners (Rom. 5:9), by which divine act they are pardoned…”

God made us ALIVE in Christ, while we were DEAD in trespasses and sins; while we were still hostile enemies, and He saved us in this condition; wicked, ungodly. So it is God who justifies the wicked.

Now that we are regenerated by the Holy Spirit and hear the preached Gospel of Christ; we hear, we see, and we believe. And from our justification in Christ Alone; flows repentance and good works. The fruits come forth from the tree, that is ingrafted in Christ Alone!

 

[justbyfaith]

God does not justify the wicked. He justifies the ungodly; and in doing so He does not leave them in an ungodly state. In declaring them righteous He calls those things which be not as though they were (Romans 4:17), for it is impossible for Him to lie (Titus 1:2, Hebrews 6:18).

Proverbs 17:15, He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD.

If God justified wicked people and left them in that state He would be an abomination in His own sight.

Proverbs 24:24-25, He that saith to the wicked, Thou art righteous; him shall the people curse, nations shall abhor him: But to them that rebuke him shall be delight, and a good blessing shall come upon him.

The word "justify" in the Bible Dictionary means "to declare righteous". So if God justified the wicked He would be offering a blessing to those who rebuke Him and would be inviting the nations to abhor Him and also to call a curse down upon Him.

 

[ladodgers6]

God does not justify the wicked. He justifies the ungodly; and in doing so He does not leave them in an ungodly state. In declaring them righteous He calls those things which be not as though they were (Romans 4:17), for it is impossible for Him to lie (Titus 1:2, Hebrews 6:18).

Proverbs 17:15, He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD.

If God justified wicked people and left them in that state He would be an abomination in His own sight.

Proverbs 24:24-25, He that saith to the wicked, Thou art righteous; him shall the people curse, nations shall abhor him: But to them that rebuke him shall be delight, and a good blessing shall come upon him.

The word "justify" in the Bible Dictionary means "to declare righteous". So if God justified the wicked He would be offering a blessing to those who rebuke Him and would be inviting the nations to abhor Him and also to call a curse down upon Him.

So before I reply. Wicked and ungodly are not the same thing?

un·god·ly
ˌənˈɡädlē/
adjective
adjective: ungodly; comparative adjective: ungodlier; superlative adjective: ungodliest

1. irreligious or immoral.
   "ungodly lives of self-obsession, lust, and pleasure"
   synonyms: unholy, godless, irreligious, impious, blasphemous, sacrilegious, profane;More
   immoral, corrupt, depraved, sinful, wicked, evil, iniquitous
   "ungodly behavior"