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Matthew 7:28-29, And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine: For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.

The scribes of Jesus day taught by appealing to what this or that Rabbi had taught on that particular subject. Jesus taught with authority, in the power of the Holy Ghost, and did not have to appeal to the teachings of other men. re #78.
 
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So before I reply. Wicked and ungodly are not the same thing?

un·god·ly
ˌənˈɡädlē/
adjective
adjective: ungodly; comparative adjective: ungodlier; superlative adjective: ungodliest
  1. irreligious or immoral.
    "ungodly lives of self-obsession, lust, and pleasure"
    synonyms: unholy, godless, irreligious, impious, blasphemous, sacrilegious, profane;More
    immoral, corrupt, depraved, sinful, wicked, evil, iniquitous
    "ungodly behavior"
I think that they have to be slightly different, although they can be used synonymously.
 
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That's not what the Bible teaches. What it does teach is that: Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not (1 John 3:6); and whosoever doeth the will of God abideth for ever (1 John 2:17).

Now Romans 3:23 may seem to support your statement but really it does not. We all come short of the glory of God in that we have sinned; not necessarily in that we do sin.

Romans 3:10-18 is interpreted by a comparison of Romans 3:19 to Romans 6:14, and a comparison of Romans 3:9 to 1 Corinthians 10:32.

1 Timothy 1:15, if you take a closer look at the context, Paul is giving present tense credence to his past sin which in context he has repented of. It is very much like an alcoholic who has been clean and sober fifty years says that he is still an alcoholic to his AA group; although the practice of drinking alcohol has been gone from his life for quite some time.

If we all sin then the command by John the Baptist, Jesus, and the apostles to repent is meaningless. Repentance is impossible if we all sin. If we all sin then there is no one who has ever truly repented; and the statement that we all sin implies that we cannot ever come to a place in our lives where we don't sin. If that is true, then no one can truly repent, and the command to repent (and much of the rest of the Bible also) is also meaningless.

Finally, the concept that "we all sin" is the most common excuse people have for not repenting of their sins when God calls them to do so.

Wow that's a lot of words Kathryn. Feeling better?
 
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Hello,

I don't feel very motivated in life because I just don't know what could happen in the future. Right now, I do believe and love God, but because of my great sin, I feel that in the future I might fall away from God. I'd just like to know what any of you people have to say about the questions below. If any of you could answer these for me, I'd really appreciate it. Thank you!

1. God says in Ephesians 2:8-9: For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast. God is saying that it is not our doing that earns us salvation, but only Jesus' doing. But God says several times in the Bible that I must believe in the Lord, Jesus to be saved. Isn't believing in Jesus my doing? And I'm a sinner, so I don't trust my own doing. What if, because I'm a sinner, I don't believe in Jesus in the future?

2. Based on question 1 above, is there anything in the Bible that could give me confidence that I won't lose salvation in the future?

3. What do you all think about "once saved, always saved"? If I am saved now, will I always be saved? Can my salvation be taken away from me? Below are two links regarding this topic, one from gotquestions.org and wels.net . gotquestions.org (a very popular online Christian FAQ) says that once you are saved, you are always saved. The link provides a lot of Bible references too. But wels.net , also providing a lot of Bible references, says that a Christian can fall from the faith. The links are right below:

https://www.gotquestions.org/once-saved-always-saved.html

https://wels.net/faq/position-on-once-saved-always-saved/

Could you give a biblical answer on which of the links, if any of them, is correct?

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To be honest, I'm kind of in panic mode. I don't want to do good works my entire life just to be confident that God would be pleased with me. I know God loves me. But with the unanswered questions above, I don't know if I will love God in the future. I ask that you take the time to answer these questions when you get the chance. Thank you again!


salvation plan is acts 2:38....repent, be baptized in JEsus name, and you shall receive the holy GHost
This plan was introduced by JEsus ....and then put together in acts 2...once the holy ghost after CHrist resurrection on the day of pentecost finally came inside believers.

The great commission in context.
Mark 16:15-16 15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved (how one lives the gospel) (acts 2:38); but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Luke 24:47-49 47And that repentance and (implies something else with and) remission of sins(baptism acts 22:16) should be preached in his name (jesus) among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48And ye are witnesses of these things. 49And, behold, I send the promise of my Father (this promise is for you... and all afar off acts 2:38)upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high (Holy Ghost).

Paul reiterated this also 2 cor. 7:10 "Godly sorrow worket repentence to salvation.

1 peter 3:21 "baptism doth now save us."

Titus 3:5 that we are saved by the "washing of regeneration and the renewing of the HOly Ghost"


And before you dismiss any of these things as works....a work is a good deed that benifits someone else right? Giving money to the poor.....showing love to someone etc.

Baptism, repentance, and holy ghost reception only benefit the person doing it.



Also about can one lose there salvation.... timothy says some will depart the faith.... the bible says not everyone who says Lord Lord Lord will make it to heaven also in matthew 7:21-23.....etc.

I hope this helped some...any questions just ask! I didn't get too deep just wanted to introduce this to you.
 
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Hello,

I don't feel very motivated in life because I just don't know what could happen in the future. Right now, I do believe and love God, but because of my great sin, I feel that in the future I might fall away from God. I'd just like to know what any of you people have to say about the questions below. If any of you could answer these for me, I'd really appreciate it. Thank you!

1. God says in Ephesians 2:8-9: For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast. God is saying that it is not our doing that earns us salvation, but only Jesus' doing. But God says several times in the Bible that I must believe in the Lord, Jesus to be saved. Isn't believing in Jesus my doing? And I'm a sinner, so I don't trust my own doing. What if, because I'm a sinner, I don't believe in Jesus in the future?

2. Based on question 1 above, is there anything in the Bible that could give me confidence that I won't lose salvation in the future?

3. What do you all think about "once saved, always saved"? If I am saved now, will I always be saved? Can my salvation be taken away from me? Below are two links regarding this topic, one from gotquestions.org and wels.net . gotquestions.org (a very popular online Christian FAQ) says that once you are saved, you are always saved. The link provides a lot of Bible references too. But wels.net , also providing a lot of Bible references, says that a Christian can fall from the faith. The links are right below:

https://www.gotquestions.org/once-saved-always-saved.html

https://wels.net/faq/position-on-once-saved-always-saved/

Could you give a biblical answer on which of the links, if any of them, is correct?

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To be honest, I'm kind of in panic mode. I don't want to do good works my entire life just to be confident that God would be pleased with me. I know God loves me. But with the unanswered questions above, I don't know if I will love God in the future. I ask that you take the time to answer these questions when you get the chance. Thank you again!
This is a loaded question Luke because it’s hotly debated even among matured Christians. I also have struggled with this issue myself, bouncing around from one idea to the next, though I have come to a conclusion of understanding finally. Here’s my answer to you.

I’ll start off by tipping my hand and telling you “once saved always saved” is a lie; only because of how most Christians define it.

The Bible uses three tenses for salvation.
Past, Present and Future - saved, are being saved, will be saved
The KJV uses ‘saves’ and ‘are saved’ which are ambiguous but all three tenses are there.
Consider: (KJV) 1Co 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
See what I mean?

We all start out in unbelief but at some point God moves upon us. Christ is the author and finisher of our faith meaning we only have faith because of God, it’s not even on our own works that we get faith to believe.
God is the one who brings us to fruition because with the heart one believes unto righteousness and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
When we believe we are justified in Christ by absolutely no works of our own it’s only by the grace of God we are saved.
At the moment we are justified, Holy Spirit indwells us and gives us a new heart, making us a new creation.
This then gives us the ability to walk by the spirit and worship in the spiritis which is the good works unto Christ.
This is where we are being sanctified, we grow in Christ in understanding, knowledge, wisdom, making our bodies holy and acceptable unto God and helping others all through love of God.
Then in the end, either in death or in life, we will be resurrected at His coming. This is the resurrection glory where we will be saved.

Now some will say that once you’ve been saved by believing, you cannot loose your salvation no matter what you do. And some will say the exact opposite which is based on works. Neither of these is true, they are complete dichotomies.

The truth is that once you’ve been saved you are now a temple unto good works in Christ. You are saved through your continued belief in Christ and it’s through your good works that you are sanctified (being saved). If you sin, you have Christ as your advocate but if you turn back to unbelief you obviously do not, this is a heart issue beacause it’s with the heart one believes unto righteousness. So yes, you can loose your salvation but not by simply sinning, we all have sinned and I would say everyone sins even after being justified; it is by deliberate willful sin which is unbelief that you fall away. You can reject Christ and fall away but if the seed is in good soil there are no worries.

If you sin, are you repentant? Repentance shows you believe God and if you believe you are saved. Whether or not you keep stumbling(sinning), if it’s truly something you are repentant about, not wanting to do it anymore and attempting to change, but you have a problem with then Christ is your advocate and forgiveness is given when confessed. This is the growing in Christ that almost all Christians go through. We walk by the spirit which is life and not by the flesh.

If you truly believe in Christ and are worried about loosing your salvation then this is the liar and deciever, satan, talking in your ear. He’s trying to bring condemnation on you, don’t believe the devil, believe God. For all who are in Christ have life and there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ.

If you are in Christ you ARE seated with Christ in heavenly places, now. God sees you omnipresent meaning once you believe it’s as if for us we are with God already but from God’s point of view we really are with Him now. This is why I say ‘once saved always saved’ is a lie by most Christians definition but it could be looked at as true also.

This post is too long already for scripture though I’ve got scripture paraphrased in my comment. If you want book, chapter and verse I’ll put it together in another comment.

The salvation process is shadowed in the Exodus story if that interests you. It’s a good study.
 
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Earlier you said that only the gentiles are under your new house law, but that the Kingdom Gospel is for the Lost Tribes of the House of Israel (you said Jews, meaning Judah/Benjamin, but that is not correct).

Now you're saying that people who follow the Kingdom Gospel... are condemned by the Kingdom Gospel? That can't happen, so there must be a flaw in your theory. And here it is: The word iniquity is anomia, which literally means witout-law. Jesus isn't speaking to the people who follow the Kingdom Gospel, in Matthew 7:21-23.

If you're right about the two separate gospels for two separate people, and multiple ages with different house laws, then Jesus is speaking (in Matthew 7:21-23) to the people who are following your house law during a period of time that His Kingdom Gospel is in effect.

In any case, those who are not gentiles, are free from your house law, at any point in time. We don't denigrate what gentiles believe, because it has nothing to do with us. We keep Jesus' commandments, and follow Him wherever He goes... One Shepherd.

Read Revelation 14 throught . The salvation here is conditional , even if you keep the 10 commandments but take mark of the beast on your forehead or arm you are going to lake of fire .

If you can't see the difference then I don't know how to help you further . I can only show verses that would be contradicting each other if you put all together into one basket .
 
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Read Revelation 14 throught . The salvation here is conditional , even if you keep the 10 commandments but take mark of the beast on your forehead or arm you are going to lake of fire .

If you can't see the difference then I don't know how to help you further . I can only show verses that would be contradicting each other if you put all together into one basket .

Salvation has always been conditional for Israelites. John is of the circumcision, so it's hardly any surprise that Revelation matches the Kingdom Gospel for the circumcision, which matches James' letter to the 12-tribes. No one who follows the commandments of God, will take the mark of the beast; Jesus says that His sheep know His voice, and will follow no one else.

The reason for the contradictions that you cannot help but notice, is that people think the gospel for the circumcision and the gospel for the uncircumcision can be combined. They can't. You either follow the Kingdom Gospel... ...or you follow the grace-without-law. People who haphazardly quote from both at the same time, apparently haven't noticed what you've seen. But take that vision of yours a step farther, and you will see that the grace-without-law never quotes the Kingdom Gospel; and the Kingdom Gospel never borrows gentile-gospel doctrine, even though the documents for the latter were written before the former. This division was intentional.

On another thread, someone who tosses gentile-gospel verses at me, will-he-nil-he, has failed to even see that I don't follow the gentile-gospel. So he has also failed to comprehend that his leader has openly called gentiles the "children of men", from Psalms 14:2-4. Instead, this verse-tosser claims that it's an Israelite who has never kept the 10 commandments. When clearly, his leader has told him why gentiles stand desperately in need of grace-without-law.

The times of the gentiles will be over when the false prophet rides in on his black horse--an event which is fast-approaching--otherwise the gentile-gospel people will take the mark of the beast. Some few gentiles may decide that the conditional Kingdom Gospel is for them. Because, make no mistake, Chinchilla, the Kingdom Gospel is far more conditional than anything Moses ever wrote, since it judges not only actions but hearts. People who don't see this clearly, see nothing that matters at all.
 
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God does not justify the wicked. He justifies the ungodly; and in doing so He does not leave them in an ungodly state. In declaring them righteous He calls those things which be not as though they were (Romans 4:17), for it is impossible for Him to lie (Titus 1:2, Hebrews 6:18).

Yes, God does not leave us in that state. I never denied this anywhere. But this flows from our justification in Christ Alone! If we replace our justification by Christ Alone with anything else, then we distort and pervert it. Our repentance and good works flows from our justification in Christ Alone! And the Christian life is Christ centered! Always believing and trusting on what saves; namely Christ Jesus.
Proverbs 17:15, He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD.

If God justified wicked people and left them in that state He would be an abomination in His own sight.

Proverbs 24:24-25, He that saith to the wicked, Thou art righteous; him shall the people curse, nations shall abhor him: But to them that rebuke him shall be delight, and a good blessing shall come upon him.

The word "justify" in the Bible Dictionary means "to declare righteous". So if God justified the wicked He would be offering a blessing to those who rebuke Him and would be inviting the nations to abhor Him and also to call a curse down upon Him.
Now ungodly & wicked are the same thing. There is no difference; synonyms are words or phrases that means exactly or nearly the same; it's just semantics.

Sinners are declared Righteous by God, because the imputed righteousness of Christ, received through Faith Alone apart from the works of the Law (Rom. 3:28).

Our assurance lies only in Christ Alone!!
 
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Yes, God does not leave us in that state. I never denied this anywhere. But this flows from our justification in Christ Alone! If we replace our justification by Christ Alone with anything else, then we distort and pervert it. Our repentance and good works flows from our justification in Christ Alone! And the Christian life is Christ centered! Always believing and trusting on what saves; namely Christ Jesus.

Now ungodly & wicked are the same thing. There is no difference; synonyms are words or phrases that means exactly or nearly the same; it's just semantics.

Sinners are declared Righteous by God, because the imputed righteousness of Christ, received through Faith Alone apart from the works of the Law (Rom. 3:28).

Our assurance lies only in Christ Alone!!
You're trying to tell me that God is an abomination in His own sight. I'm not buying it.

Also, repentance comes before justification; it is the beginning of faith: a 180-degree turn away from sin, death, and hell, and toward righteousness, life, and heaven.

It means agreeing with God about sin; so that it grieves us the same way it grieves God. You cannot have justification for a period of fifty days without there also being repentance at the beginning of those fifty days. If I say that I was justified those fifty days and I did not repent at the beginning of them, I would be lying. Maybe justification does happen first; but the immediate result of justification would have to be repentance if that were the case. Being washed and sanctified comes before being justified in 1 Corinthians 6:9-11. Likewise in 1 Peter 1:2, first there is sanctification of the Spirit, then obedience, and only then the sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ (which we know is the source of our forgiveness in Christ). In Matthew 7:21-27, Luke 6:46-49, and also in John 7:17, obedience to the words of Christ is the foundation on which we build our faith.
 
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You're trying to tell me that God is an abomination in His own sight. I'm not buying it.

Also, repentance comes before justification; it is the beginning of faith: a 180-degree turn away from sin, death, and hell, and toward righteousness, life, and heaven.

It means agreeing with God about sin; so that it grieves us the same way it grieves God. You cannot have justification for a period of fifty days without there also being repentance at the beginning of those fifty days. If I say that I was justified those fifty days and I did not repent at the beginning of them, I would be lying. Maybe justification does happen first; but the immediate result of justification would have to be repentance if that were the case. Being washed and sanctified comes before being justified in 1 Corinthians 6:9-11. Likewise in 1 Peter 1:2, first there is sanctification of the Spirit, then obedience, and only then the sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ (which we know is the source of our forgiveness in Christ). In Matthew 7:21-27, Luke 6:46-49, and also in John 7:17, obedience to the words of Christ is the foundation on which we build our faith.
Thank you for sharing. Can you please provide anything I said, that God is an abomination?

Two, are you saying that repentance comes before Faith?
 
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Hello,

I don't feel very motivated in life because I just don't know what could happen in the future. Right now, I do believe and love God, but because of my great sin, I feel that in the future I might fall away from God. I'd just like to know what any of you people have to say about the questions below. If any of you could answer these for me, I'd really appreciate it. Thank you!

1. God says in Ephesians 2:8-9: For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast. God is saying that it is not our doing that earns us salvation, but only Jesus' doing. But God says several times in the Bible that I must believe in the Lord, Jesus to be saved. Isn't believing in Jesus my doing? And I'm a sinner, so I don't trust my own doing. What if, because I'm a sinner, I don't believe in Jesus in the future?

2. Based on question 1 above, is there anything in the Bible that could give me confidence that I won't lose salvation in the future?

3. What do you all think about "once saved, always saved"? If I am saved now, will I always be saved? Can my salvation be taken away from me? Below are two links regarding this topic, one from gotquestions.org and wels.net . gotquestions.org (a very popular online Christian FAQ) says that once you are saved, you are always saved. The link provides a lot of Bible references too. But wels.net , also providing a lot of Bible references, says that a Christian can fall from the faith. The links are right below:

https://www.gotquestions.org/once-saved-always-saved.html

https://wels.net/faq/position-on-once-saved-always-saved/

Could you give a biblical answer on which of the links, if any of them, is correct?

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To be honest, I'm kind of in panic mode. I don't want to do good works my entire life just to be confident that God would be pleased with me. I know God loves me. But with the unanswered questions above, I don't know if I will love God in the future. I ask that you take the time to answer these questions when you get the chance. Thank you again!
May I ask you, what great sin?
 
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Two, are you saying that repentance comes before Faith?

I said,

Maybe justification does happen first; but the immediate result of justification would have to be repentance if that were the case.
 
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Thank you for sharing. Can you please provide anything I said, that God is an abomination?

You said that ungodly is the same as wicked. So, if you compare Romans 4:5 to the verses in Proverbs that I quoted, God justifies the wicked in Romans 4:5 and therefore He is an abomination to Himself in the verses in Proverbs. Please do the work of looking at these things as I don't care to do it for you in typing out every detail of how it works itself out.
 
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Sin you have not confessed to God and abandoned. Sin that you continue to celebrate and practice. Sin that you reject is actually a sin.



See above response.

What if somebody acknowledge that it's sin for example alcohol abuse , is sorry for that but continue to drink ?
 
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