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How do Creationists explain vestigal organs?

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Clearly, you are in error. The primary function is the main use.
If there was a better design, doctors would have created one and
sports doctors would be modifying Olympians or football players
for increased abilities.
 
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Clearly, you are in error. The primary function is the main use.

Yes, as determined by looking at many different species. The main function of the coccyx is to support a tail.

If there was a better design, doctors would have created one and
sports doctors would be modifying Olympians or football players
for increased abilities.

If doctors got to start from scratch they certainly would not use a coccyx. They certainly would not create a muscle that spans a fused joint.
 
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If doctors got to start from scratch they certainly would not use a coccyx. They certainly would not create a muscle that spans a fused joint.
Doctors can't start life from scratch nor can doctor actually heal you. The thing is the back bone got to end somewhere and we don't enough yet to determine if there is a better way. Remember we all started with a single cell.
 
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Doctors can't start life from scratch nor can doctor actually heal you. The thing is the back bone got to end somewhere and we don't enough yet to determine if there is a better way. Remember we all started with a single cell.
Actually you started as chemicals which are not alive! Did you know that you are basically made up of 99% empty space?
Check out Atomic Theory!
 
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Yes, as determined by looking at many different species. The main function of the coccyx is to support a tail.

Assuming that you have been trained to identify "primary" and "secondary" functions of biological structures, that still is not useful except in memorizing a list of functions. If a structure has multiple uses, then it has multiple uses. Ordering them is simply a way of remembering what all the uses for something is. In biology, all such uses are interdependent and have no "order" such as primary and secondary. That's purely a human knowledge construct.
 
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Clearly the universe is filled with poppadoms.
I disagree. My wife and I have looked and can't find a good source ever since our honeymoon in Ireland.



And none have been discovered on Mars yet.



Just saying something is clear doesn't make it so. You can't just say that the tail-supporting function of the coccyx is secondary without providing evidence to support that claim.

I thought it was obvious. Humans don't have have tails.

In those cases where "tail" structures are found at birth, they have not been functional tails. If that was a normal variation of humans, functional tails would occur now and then by chance.
 
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Says the guy who, just an hour ago, claimed that the tail-support function was a SECONDARY function.

As I said, it's a purely human construct used for MEMORIZING lists.
I qualify for my own classification system. I'll message you a picture of myself if need be.
Actually, I look a bit like the guy on the right, below. Grayer though. And white is not my first choice for tee shirts.
 
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Let me guess......your sources told you that toe nails had no function and you believed them without checking first.
You act just like those you condemn.
 
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Exactly, you must be delusional to believe everything came from a single cell that magicked itself into existence from a chemical soup billions of years ago with no direct proof and plenty against it.

To someone like you, I am sure Chemistry seems like magic. But it is not magic, it follows, for the most part, well understood rules. The formation of life is just Chemistry. Get used to it.
 
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If you saw someone using a typewriter to pound in nails at a construction site, what would you think? Would you think that this person is not using the typewriter for it's primary function?
 
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As I said, it's a purely human construct used for MEMORIZING lists.

No, it is a process of understanding why an organ evolved and what it evolved for. The coccyx evolved as part of a tail. It no longer serves that function in humans because humans do not have a tail. It is an evolutionary leftover. The extensor coccygis muscle is proof of that.
 
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Clearly that's a secondary function.

Clearly it is not. You should take a class on vertebrate anatomy some time. The primary function of the coccyx is to support a tail. That is why they call it a tailbone.

What is even more interesting is that vestigial organs are consistent with the predictions made by the theory of evolution. You never see mammals with vestigial feathers, or birds with vestigial teats. Instead, you see vestigial features from the ancestors that evolution predicts.
 
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Doctors can't start life from scratch nor can doctor actually heal you.

But if they could they would not give humans a vestigial tailbone, nor would they give you a vestigial caecum in the form of the appendix. There are a ton of different things that any good designer would do, such as moving the air hole away from the food hole.

The thing is the back bone got to end somewhere and we don't enough yet to determine if there is a better way.

When we build jet airplanes do we feel the need to attach functionless propellers to the front of the plane just because other planes have them?
 
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Since they can't then we don't know what they would do. This enters into science fiction.

When we build jet airplanes do we feel the need to attach functionless propellers to the front of the plane just because other planes have them?
Airplanes are not compressed into a single cell.
 
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Since they can't then we don't know what they would do. This enters in science fiction.
Yes we do know what they would do since doctors are already fixing the flaws in our bodies. What do you think Lasik eye surgery is? Did you know that doctors are now giving athletes eye sight that is better than 20/20?

Airplanes are not compressed into a single cell.

I guess you fail to understand what an analogy is?
 
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Yes we do know what they would do since doctors are already fixing the flaws in our bodies. What do you think Lasik eye surgery is? Did you know that doctors are now giving athletes eye sight that is better than 20/20?
Lasik eye surgery will not give back your eye sight that you were born with. Often one eye is for seeing near and the other far.
When I was younger I could read the 20/10 line with ease. Now I can read 20/5 line with ease only with glasses. This doesn't have anything to do with given your eye higher resolution.


I guess you fail to understand what an analogy is?
We don't know enough about body plans yet to know what we would do or what is possible.
 
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