How different would things be if the gender roles of today existed since the beginning?

[timewerx]

We won't have the problem of overpopulation today, and there'll be billions less people killed in wars and violence throughout history and it's probably going to be a lot easier to live (less worries about not having enough resources / money)

 

[ImAllLikeOkWaitWat]

Not necessarily, but you haven't made your question clear.

The question is, given how much more masculine women are forced to become, how feminized men are becoming. What could the potential implications be if this continues for say another 200k years?

masculine=More women are the provider of their family now than ever, have jobs that mostly men had etc l
feminine=afraid to show aggression, forced to act more gentle to fit in school systems run by women, stay at home dads now exist when that was never a thing before,etc....

 

[ImAllLikeOkWaitWat]

I was pretty sure this stuff was common knowledge but i guess it's not.

 

[ImAllLikeOkWaitWat]

Let me ask you all a question. What do the words masculine and feminine mean? Because if you know what those words mean then why is it so hard to give your thoughts on this question?

 

[Bungle_Bear]

I was pretty sure this stuff was common knowledge but i guess it's not.

I don't want to be too rude here, but you don't have any experience outside your part of the USA, do you? And you haven't studied social history? Your views are overly simplistic and ill-informed.

 

[Occams Barber]

Okay, women are as feminine as ever, and men are as masculine as ever. /thread

If you go back a few centuries to the pre mechanisation era you will probably find that peasant class females (the majority) were a lot hardier than most modern males.

If toughness is the measure of masculinity then women were probably 'more masculine' back then.
OB

 

[ImAllLikeOkWaitWat]

Masculine:having qualities or appearance traditionally associated with men, especially strength and aggressiveness.
Feminine:having qualities or appearance traditionally associated with women, especially delicacy and prettiness.

Now I ask my question of what could the implications be if men have a more feminine role and women have a more masculine role in society over a long enough time period?

 

[ImAllLikeOkWaitWat]

I don't want to be too rude here, but you don't have any experience outside your part of the USA, do you? And you haven't studied social history? Your views are overly simplistic and ill-informed.

Even if I'm wrong the question could still be answered because it is a hypothetical question afterall.

 

[ImAllLikeOkWaitWat]

If women went out and hunted and the men stayed at home to take care of the children what would the world be like today?

 

[Speedwell]

The question is, given how much more masculine women are forced to become, how feminized men are becoming. What could the potential implications be if this continues for say another 200k years?

masculine=More women are the provider of their family now than ever, have jobs that mostly men had etc.

Women have always had economically important roles as family providers. The stereotype of women staying at home and doing nothing but caring for the home and children while the men went out to work is a relatively recent development that emerged from the industrial revolution. What we appear to be returning to is a more traditional distribution of labor, although the nature of that labor has certainly changed.

 

[ImAllLikeOkWaitWat]

Women have always had economically important roles as family providers. The stereotype of women staying at home and doing nothing but caring for the home and children while the men went out to work is a relatively recent development that emerged from the industrial revolution. What we appear to be returning to is a more traditional distribution of labor, although the nature of that labor has certainly changed.

/thread

 

[Hank77]

Masculine:having qualities or appearance traditionally associated with men, especially strength and aggressiveness.
Feminine:having qualities or appearance traditionally associated with women, especially delicacy and prettiness.

Now I ask my question of what could the implications be if men have a more feminine role and women have a more masculine role in society over a long enough time period?

It wouldn't make any difference biologically, it wouldn't change their hormones.

 

[Hank77]

If women went out and hunted and the men stayed at home to take care of the children what would the world be like today?

Women hunted in the past and they still do today. That didn't change them into biological men.

 

[JIMINZ]

The question could be rephrased as what do you think the implications will be for men and women biologically due to women becoming more masculine and men being more feminized?

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Are you saying women are more muscular and men aren't?

I think what your saying is only the Psychology of today has changed, women believe they are equal to men, when we know physically they are not, but as far as Education, they can be equal or even superior in some cases but then again the same goes for some men as well.

I feel your talking about the Western World, men have capitulated their traditional roles, but this does not make women equal to men.

Look at the Middle East, women are not asserting themselves as in the West.

 

[Speedwell]

Even if I'm wrong the question could still be answered because it is a hypothetical question afterall.

To answer your question hypothetically, I would have to say that gender roles have not been stable enough over time (and are unlikely to be so in future) to have any particular differential effect on the evolution of human physiology.

 

[ImAllLikeOkWaitWat]

To answer your question hypothetically, I would have to say that gender roles have not been stable enough over time (and are unlikely to be so in future) to have any particular differential effect on the evolution of human physiology.

Do you think testosterone levels are effected by certain roles a person could have. For instance do you think if a woman who joins the military will have higher levels of testosterone than if she was a stay at home mother? Likewise would men have lower levels of T if they were stay at home fathers instead of going to the military? I've seen studies suggesting this to be true, but these studies were from a video on youtube with sources i can't confirm.

 

[Speedwell]

Do you think testosterone levels are effected by certain roles a person could have. For instance do you think if a woman who joins the military will have higher levels of testosterone than if she was a stay at home mother? Likewise would men have lower levels of T if they were stay at home fathers instead of going to the military? I've seen studies suggesting this to be true, but these studies were from a video on youtube with sources i can't confirm.

The question is, that if these variations in hormone levels occur, to what extent are they heritable? Or do our bodies merely have the ability to vary hormone levels to adapt to various situations?

 

[JIMINZ]

Back in time, men have always been the Scribes, Secretaries did that make them more feminine,.....I don't think so.

I believe what we see, is there are some women who can fill the traditional role of the Man, Semi Truck Driver, Policeman, Fireman, but that in itself does not mean that women in general should run out and get those jobs, and you know what, they aren't, women in general are going to Collage and getting Degrees where they become the Bosses of men because of their Education not because of their physical ability to compete in the job market, whereas men, have traditionally been expected to provide for the family, and have not had the same opportunity for Higher Education because it was more important for them at the time to work.

 

[JIMINZ]

Do you think testosterone levels are effected by certain roles a person could have. For instance do you think if a woman who joins the military will have higher levels of testosterone than if she was a stay at home mother? Likewise would men have lower levels of T if they were stay at home fathers instead of going to the military? I've seen studies suggesting this to be true, but these studies were from a video on youtube with sources i can't confirm.

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I think what your talking about is a back door Evolutionist Theory.

To be honest, the only way a woman would be able to get more Testosterone in her system would be to grow a set of Testes.

And right there is your third sex, mentioned before.

 

[FireDragon76]

Examples? I don''t know what you think gender roles looked like. Even today in the US gender roles look and have looked different in different parts of the country in different subcultures.

I don't see women today being all that more masculine than in the past, honestly.