How did all of the Coelophysis at Ghost Ranch die?

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

I have heard such bunk. The possibility of a fossil resulting is close to zero.
Even the bones get eaten, as your link states.

There are not always scavengers available to eat the carcass, for example where the water has little or no oxygen, or where the water is toxic at depth, due to algal blooms or dissolved volcanic gases. In other situations, rough weather can stir up the silt and rapidly bury anything immobile on the bottom. These conditions are somewhat unusual, so such fossils are not common.

 

[SkyWriting]

In other situations, rough weather can stir up the silt and rapidly bury anything immobile on the bottom. These conditions are somewhat unusual, so such fossils are not common.

True. The odds of rough weather stirring up silt are very close to zero.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

True. The odds of rough weather stirring up silt are very close to zero.

Tell that to divers in coastal waters!

"WHAT IS TURBIDITY? Turbidity is an optical quality of water and describes how clear or transparent the water is. It describes the degree to which water contains particles that cause cloudiness or muddiness resulting in the disturbance of sunlight. Water is turbid – that is cloudy, opaque or thick – when it contains suspended silt..."

IS TURBIDITY UNUSUAL? Not at all. Turbidity is a background quality in all bodies of water. Natural events such as storms, heavy rains and floods can increase the degree of turbidity... [Facts about Turbidity]​

 

[bhsmte]

True. The odds of rough weather stirring up silt are very close to zero.

Evidence?

 

[joshua 1 9]

Can you tell us what Francis Collin's opinion is on the theory of evolution?

'God Is Not Threatened by Our Scientific Adventures'

 

[Jimmy D]

The only creationism that is acceptable right now is Francis Collins

I don't think that it's particularly helpful calling theistic evolution 'creationism' although I suppose you could say that any one with the belief that a God created the universe was a creationist in the loosest sense of the word.

Creationism in the sense that most of us understand it in these forums implies backward thinking, anti-science nonsense. I wouldn't tar the likes of Francis Collins with that brush.

 

[Ophiolite]

There are no contrary facts. I did quite a bit of research on this. I spent about three months doing a study on Ghost Ranch. This is a very, very small part of what happened at Pangea but all the evidence available to us at Ghost Ranch can be used to verify what Kat Kerr is saying. She claims that there is a Creation Museum in Heaven where we will go to learn about how God created the Earth and how Dinosaurs were a part of that.

I even talked to Kat Kerr on the internet radio once. I could not find anything that she reveals that contradicts the Bible or Science. Your entitled to your own conclusions and to believe what you want. I can only give an account for myself.

American vertebrate paleontologist Edwin H. Colbert did work at the ranch that helped him to develop his theory on continental drift that has now developed into a theory on plate tectonics. Mostly though his study on Coelophysis.

https://www.ghostranch.org/explore/the-land/

I find your arguments almost impossible to follow, since you ramble so much, introduce non-sequiturs and seem to have no single focus. This is not a complaint, but an observation and an appeal to you to focus directly on questions when put to you.

You assert that "Edwin H. Colbert did work at the ranch that helped him to develop his theory on continental drift that has now developed into a theory on plate tectonics."

It wasn't his theory of continental drift. He may have favoured the theory, but he did not develop it. If you have information to the contrary please provide it now - and please remain focused.

 

[bhsmte]

'God Is Not Threatened by Our Scientific Adventures'

I ask again, what does collins say about the theory of evolution?

 

[joshua 1 9]

I ask again, what does collins say about the theory of evolution?

This is the link.
If you do not want to read it then set your computer up to read it for you.
'God Is Not Threatened by Our Scientific Adventures'

If God is real, and I believe he is, then he is outside of nature. He is, therefore, not limited by the laws of nature in the way that we are. He's not limited by time. In the very moment of that flash in which the universe was created, an unimaginable burst of energy, God also had the plan of how that would coalesce into stars and galaxies, planets, and how life would arrive on a small planet near the outer rim of a spiral galaxy. And ultimately, over hundreds of millions of years, give rise to creatures with intelligence and in whom he could infuse this search for him and this knowledge of good and evil. And all of that happened in his mind in the blink of an eye. While it may seem to us that this whole process has the risk of randomness and, therefore, an unpredictable outcome, that was not the case for God."

 

[joshua 1 9]

I don't think that it's particularly helpful calling theistic evolution 'creationism' although I suppose you could say that any one with the belief that a God created the universe was a creationist in the loosest sense of the word.

Creationism in the sense that most of us understand it in these forums implies backward thinking, anti-science nonsense. I wouldn't tar the likes of Francis Collins with that brush.

I do not have a problem myself with any of the Creationist theories. As long as they can stand up to science. I am the most familiar with dispensationalism so that is what I am the most willing to explain. If people ask what should be taught in our public schools then the answer is easy: they should teach Francis Schaeffer's version of Theistic Evolution.

 

[bhsmte]

This is the link.
If you do not want to read it then set your computer up to read it for you.
'God Is Not Threatened by Our Scientific Adventures'

Ok, so collins strongly agrees with theory of evolution, cool. You have stated before; 'we all know parts of the theory of evolution are not true'. Do you still believe your statement, which disagrees with collins?

 

[Jimmy D]

I do not have a problem myself with any of the Creationist theories. As long as they can stand up to science.

Fair enough.

If people ask what should be taught in our public schools then the answer is easy: they should teach Francis Schaeffer's version of Theistic Evolution.

I'm not familiar with that, what is it? (I did a quick search but couldn't see a concise explanation)

 

[joshua 1 9]

I find your arguments almost impossible to follow, since you ramble so much, introduce non-sequiturs and seem to have no single focus.

I am 65 years old. When I was 12 years old I was tested and found to have a learning disability. Of course that was a long time ago and now a days they have all sorts of labels they pin on people. I can not tell you exactly what my disability is. I know I put up with a lot of abuse on here because of it. People can be very rude and crude.

It wasn't his theory of continental drift. He may have favoured the theory, but he did not develop it. If you have information to the contrary please provide it now - and please remain focused.

If you look on his article on Wiki we read: "His fieldwork in Antarctica in 1969 helped solidify the acceptance of continental drift, by finding a 220-million-year-old fossil of a Lystrosaurus." If we click on that link we read: "Continental drift is the movement of the Earth's continents relative to each other, thus appearing to "drift" across the ocean bed.[2] The speculation that continents might have 'drifted' was first put forward by Abraham Ortelius in 1596. The concept was independently and more fully developed by Alfred Wegener in 1912, but his theory was rejected by some for lack of a mechanism (though this was supplied later by Arthur Holmes) and others because of prior theoretical commitments. The idea of continental drift has been subsumed by the theory of plate tectonics, which explains how the continents move.[3]"

Is this what you are referring to? When I was in grade school in the 60's they taught the theory of continental drift but the theory had not been proven at the time. The reference to Edwin H Colbert was that he proved the theory and a part of his research was done at the Ghost Ranch. The evidence he found was used to prove Wegener's theory was true. Today people refer to this as plate tectonics and they no longer refer to this as continental drift.

E. H. Colbert, 96, Dies; Wrote Dinosaur Books

 

[joshua 1 9]

I'm not familiar with that, what is it? (I did a quick search but couldn't see a concise explanation)

I have given the link three times now. I guess no one wants to click on it so I will just copy the part here that pertains to this:

"If God is real, and I believe he is, then he is outside of nature. He is, therefore, not limited by the laws of nature in the way that we are. He's not limited by time. In the very moment of that flash in which the universe was created, an unimaginable burst of energy, God also had the plan of how that would coalesce into stars and galaxies, planets, and how life would arrive on a small planet near the outer rim of a spiral galaxy. And ultimately, over hundreds of millions of years, give rise to creatures with intelligence and in whom he could infuse this search for him and this knowledge of good and evil. And all of that happened in his mind in the blink of an eye. While it may seem to us that this whole process has the risk of randomness and, therefore, an unpredictable outcome, that was not the case for God."

Read more at 'God Is Not Threatened by Our Scientific Adventures'

Now I understand this goes far beyond evolutionary theory. The point is God had a plan from the very beginning. Not only Collins but also Gerald Schroeder talks about this. According to the Hebrew belief in Kabbalah they teach that there is an oral tradition that goes along with the Bible. Schroeder teaches in his books that people like Max Planck adopted the Kabbalah theory to physics. Of course the name itself: "Big Bang Theory" goes to Sir Fred Hoyle. He did not actually accept the theory but is still credited with naming it. Schroeder takes the theory back to Ramban, Rabbi Moses ben Nachman.

Of course the oral tradition goes back to Moses and is said to go back to Abraham and from Abraham back to Adam. Abraham was a Chaldean and like science today there was truth and error mixed together. Abraham was called to come out from among them, so that he could abide in the truth. After his father died he left the Chaldeans. Like Moses, Abraham had the best education you could get in his day.

Adam, Abraham, Moses, Nachmanides, Planck, Hubble, Schroeder, Collins. I would recommend a study of the work of any of these men.

 

[Jimmy D]

I have given the link three times now. I guess no one wants to click on it so I will just copy the part here that pertains to this:

Bit of a misunderstanding I think, I was asking about Francis Schaeffer (who you mentioned in the post where you responded to me), did you mean Francis Collins?

 

[joshua 1 9]

Bit of a misunderstanding I think, I was asking about Francis Schaeffer (who you mentioned in the post where you responded to me), did you mean Francis Collins?

Yes we are talking about Francis Collins. Schaeffer is a theologian & philosopher. I do not think he ever got into Evolution. I remember his continental divide theory. Just as the water has to go one way or the other, he feels that everyone in life will go one way or the other. Either they will be for God or against God. All of our life is to determine if in the end we are for God or against God.

 

[0verLord0070]

We are looking at the evolution of carnivores before and after the breakup of Pangea.

there’s gang rape and other, “human Crime” existing in the animal kingdom.

Ghost Ranch is a 21,000-acre retreat and education center located close to the village of Abiquiú in Rio Arriba County in north central New Mexico, United States. There are a lot of things to study that are associated with the Ghost Ranch. This thread has to do with the Coelophysis at Ghost Ranch. This is the point in time when Creationists and Evolutionists begin to go their own way. The question is: "Was Coelophysis a cannibal?" The Bible talks about: "If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other." (Galatians 5:15)

Paleontologists are not sure how the Coelophysis in the Ghost Ranch bone bed died. There is no real evidence on the fossils themselves of the cause of death. However, the fact that hundreds of complete skeletons are jammed together in one rock layer suggests a fast and catastrophic death of the dinosaurs. Furthermore, there is no evidence of weathering or scavenging of the fossil bones, so they must have been buried rapidly after death.

The paleontologist Edwin H. Colbert helped prove the theory of continental drift. This discovery was based in part on the work that Colbert did at Ghost Ranch and with the discovery of Coelophysis remains at the ranch and all the way through the rocky mountains. As a Creationists I point out that this is when creation began to devour itself, and that was followed by the breakup of Pangea to the point where we find the world in the current state that we are now in.

The Bible talks about shadows and types. There is a strong connection between what happened with Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden and what happened 200 million years ago with the Coelophysis. This is why school children today are so fascinated with the dinosaurs: because they began to develop teeth and they began to devour one another. This thread has to do with the evolution of meat eating carnivores. We are looking at the evolution of carnivores before and after the breakup of Pangea. The question is what was the change in the atmosphere at this point in time and what effect did that have on evolution?

We are also looking at the evolution of mammals and what impact the breakup of Pangea had on this chapter in the book of evolution having to do with mammals.

How did all of the Coelophysis at Ghost Ranch die?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

You might want to read up on how to quote - it's not considered good etiquette to insert your words into other people's quotes.

It's also not considered good etiquette to 'necro' threads, or to post random off-topic comments...

Other than that, welcome!