How Creationism hurts Christian Colleges

[Nithavela]

If all else fails, threaten.

 

[lasthero]

You'll note that I cited examples of specific people who believed int the Scriptures as written to validate that any claim of YEC being a new concept was a lie.

No, you didn't. You stated that when the King James Bible was completed that it was presumed to be 100% literally true, but you did nothing to support that statement, nor did you cite anyone specific.

 

[EternalDragon]

You mean extremely strong scientific evidence that the World is billions of years old is over a 200 year old well accepted theory. And a theory is the pinnacle of scientific achievement.

Christian scholars did not seem to take the Adam and Eve or even Noah's Ark myths too seriously until after the theory of evolution was developed.

Then give me the isotope rates as they were millions of years ago. Give
me the papers that show the tests that give the exact rates. If you can't
then I hope you realize the supposed dates for a billion year old earth are
simply assumptions that you believe in by faith.

 

[lasthero]

Then give me the isotope rates as they were millions of years ago. Give
me the papers that show the tests that give the exact rates. If you can't
then I hope you realize the supposed dates for a billion year old earth are
simply assumptions that you believe in by faith.

There's an excellent topic you should take part in.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7804268/

 

[FredHoyle]

No theory of science can keep you out of Hell. Only the sacrifice of Christ can do that.

Given that there are approx. 6.5 billion people on this planet with approx. 2 billion of them saying they're Christians,
how many people are going to hell? would you say that the Christian god did a good job getting his message across?

Believing something does not alter the facts and they are, there is no evidence whatsoever that there are any Gods anywhere, you are free to believe there are but believing something does not make it true.

 

[KWCrazy]

No, the age of the Earth has nothing to do with your world view.

It absolutely does. You either belief that the universe came into existence all by itself by magic, or you believe it was created by some powerful entity. If you believe it was created by God and believe God's word that He created a mature world in six days, then how you see evidence will be influenced by that perspective. If you think it took billions of years and was created by magic (without the presence of a magician), then you will interpret evidence using that perspective. We all have the same evidence.

All of the evidence supports only an old Earth.

No it doesn't. The evidence supports a mature planet. Creationists realize that God created everything in its mature state exactly as He said He did. Evidence can be interpreted more than one way, which you would know if you ever watched a trial on TV.

There is no significant data that supports a young Earth at all.

Your statement is false. There is a lot of evidence of a young planet. You just reject it. All of the arguments for all of the evidence discovered have already been made. It makes no sense to re-hash that which has been repeated hundreds of times. Old earthers see it one way, young earthers see it another way. To say there is no evidence for a young earth is as much a lie as to say there is no evidence of an old earth. The evidence is there. It's all in how you interpret it.

And you are wrong, the pinnacle of scientific achievement is still a well accepted theory.

Really? Do you know who Hero of Alexandria is? Among other things, he invented the first programmable robot in 60 AD. Of course, for centuries earlier, Archytas invented the first robot and actually made it fly about 200 meters. There are many more who contributed far more to science than Darwin ever did, and yet there isn't a cult of people who worship them.

I could, and I may. Also if the central message of the Bible is true no miracles are needed.

Miracles are violations of natural law which demonstrate that God, not physics, is Lord of the universe. Not only are the 333 miracles listed in the Bible all true, miracles still happen today. There is an entire thread on this website dedicated to them.

 

[Nithavela]

Really? Do you know who Hero of Alexandria is? Among other things, he invented the first programmable robot in 60 AD. Of course, for centuries earlier, Archytas invented the first robot and actually made it fly about 200 meters. There are many more who contributed far more to science than Darwin ever did, and yet there isn't a cult of people who worship them.

Citation needed.

 

[EternalDragon]

No, the age of the Earth has nothing to do with your world view. All of the evidence supports only an old Earth. There is no significant data that supports a young Earth at all.N

The earth and universe is old. That is how God created it. He explains
it quite clearly in the Bible. He made an earth habitable for mankind in
one day. He made the stars and planets in one day. He made a sun and
moon in their maturity in one day. He made Adam and Eve as walking,
talking adults in one day.

 

[lasthero]

If you think it took billions of years and was created by magic (without the presence of a magician), then you will interpret evidence using that perspective

No one started with this premise. It was never just assumed that the Earth was old; if anything the oppositewas assumed. The age of the Earth was shown through testing.

Among other things, he invented the first programmable robot in 60 AD. Of course, for centuries earlier, Archytas invented the first robot and actually made it fly about 200 meters.

Even if that's true - I don't care one way or the other - that's not science.

 

[EternalDragon]

Given that there are approx. 6.5 billion people on this planet with approx. 2 billion of them saying they're Christians,
how many people are going to hell? would you say that the Christian god did a good job getting his message across?

Believing something does not alter the facts and they are, there is no evidence whatsoever that there are any Gods anywhere, you are free to believe there are but believing something does not make it true.

You speak true. There are many that reject the eyewitness accounts of
God. The truth of God's word said this thousands of year ago.

Matthew 7:13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

 

[KWCrazy]

Given that there are approx. 6.5 billion people on this planet with approx. 2 billion of them saying they're Christians,
how many people are going to hell?

Obviously, you've never read the Scriptures.
Romans 2:
12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.)

Believing something does not alter the facts and they are, there is no evidence whatsoever that there are any Gods anywhere

Your statement is completely false.
The world is full of evidence of God, which you are too blind to see.
There is no hard physical proof of God. Obviously you don't know the difference between proof and evidence, so I'll help out. A person can give eyewitness evidence of something they've seen. The incredible complexity of an organism can give evidence of design. Symbiotic relationships can give evidence of intelligent planning. A wealth of fossils worldwide can give evidence of the sudden encasement of millions of living things in sediment from a flood. Feeding 5,000 people from a few baskets of bread and fish can evidence a miracle. None of these constitute physical proof, but all are evidence. When you say there is no evidence not knowing that evidence exists, then you've made a mistake. When you know it exists, then what you write is a lie.

 

[lasthero]

The incredible complexity of an organism can give evidence of design.

Can you provide some object criteria to determine complexity?

A wealth of fossils worldwide can give evidence of the sudden encasement of millions of living things in sediment from a flood

It would be, if the evidence didn't also show that these living things didn't die at the same time, that they did so over a long period of time. Among other things.

 

[AV1611VET]

Unfortunately, many evangelicals get their ideas about origins from Answers in Genesis and the Discovery Institute,

... instead of the Bible.

As a result they come to college believing that evolution is false and without meaningful evidence to support it;

... instead of believing evolution can take a hike.

They discover that evolution is not tottering and about to collapse;http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...ts-christian-colleges-and-their-students.html

... instead of believing evolution will wax stronger and stronger, until it culminates in the Tribulation period, when Jesus comes back and pwns it.

 

[FredHoyle]

... instead of believing evolution will wax stronger and stronger, until it culminates in the Tribulation period, when Jesus comes back and pwns it.

This should make you feel better, another Atheist heading for hell while at you.

You are like an indoctrinated child.

 

[AV1611VET]

This should make you feel better, another Atheist heading for hell while at you.

I'm not sure what you meant by that, but for the record, isn't it you guys who laugh at the idea that Mr. Darwin made a deathbed confession?

 

[FredHoyle]

Believing something does not alter the facts and they are, there is no evidence whatsoever that there are any Gods anywhere, you are free to believe there are but believing something does not make it true.

Your statement is completely false.
The world is full of evidence of God, which you are too blind to see.
There is no hard physical proof of God. Obviously you don't know the difference between proof and evidence, so I'll help out. A person can give eyewitness evidence of something they've seen. The incredible complexity of an organism can give evidence of design. Symbiotic relationships can give evidence of intelligent planning. A wealth of fossils worldwide can give evidence of the sudden encasement of millions of living things in sediment from a flood. Feeding 5,000 people from a few baskets of bread and fish can evidence a miracle. None of these constitute physical proof, but all are evidence. When you say there is no evidence not knowing that evidence exists, then you've made a mistake. When you know it exists, then what you write is a lie.

Talk talk talk that's all you do, anyone can do what you're doing, we can all spout rubbish if we don't have to show evidence for what we're spouting, doing it your way means that every religion in the word is true because they all spout the same rubbish you're spouting, they are saying we must all believe what they say because it's true.

Believing something does not alter the facts and they are, there is no evidence whatsoever that there are any Gods anywhere.
Saying someone saw something or words in a book are true IS NOT evidence.

 

[bhsmte]

I'm not sure what you meant by that, but for the record, isn't it you guys who laugh at the idea that Mr. Darwin made a deathbed confession?

You have no evidence of any deathbed confession AV.

But, lets say he did for the sake of argument, how would that impact the evidence for evolution?

 

[AV1611VET]

You have no evidence of any deathbed confession AV.

But, lets say he did for the sake of argument, how would that impact the evidence for evolution?

Woa ... hold on, chief.

I just got laughed at for thinking another atheist is going to Hell by someone who [probably] laughs at the idea that Darwin went to Heaven.

It's okay for you guys to think Darwin didn't make a deathbed confession; but if I say evolution is going to get even stronger until Jesus comes ... that should make me feel better because another Atheist is going to Hell???

Aside from his answer not making sense, his answer doesn't make sense.

 

[FredHoyle]

I'm not sure what you meant by that,

We are all going to get what we deserve for not believing a lie, nothingness is what we are going to get

but for the record, isn't it you guys who laugh at the idea that Mr. Darwin made a deathbed confession?

Who cares? what you or I believe means absolutely NOTHING, what matters is what's true.

Darwin found something out and wrote a book, it doesn't matter one jot if he believed what he wrote or not,
the truth was out and it stayed out and it changed the world.

 

[Resha Caner]

This thread has obviously departed far from the OP (as most seem to do), so I didn't read all of it. Therefore, maybe this was pointed out somewhere and I missed it, but the whole conversation is so fractally wrong. It comes across as: if only Christianity would stop expressing what it believes (because that makes people uncomfortable), stop believing the Bible (because we all know it's wrong), stop being a religion (because religions cause all the problems in the world), and stop following Christ (because of course Christ is not historical), it would be a really useful thing.

But ... if it wasn't any of those things, it wouldn't be Christianity ... it would be secular, naturalistic, atheistic.

I just don't get it.