How concerned should Christians be about climate change?

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That's an big assumation to think Christians believe what you just stated.
I said many Christians NOT ALL Christians.
As to how Christians think on this topic from a demographics perspective, threes been some great papers published. I'll post some links. In general - those of evangelist and fundamentalist persuasions are do not believe climate change is driven by man and argue its a liberal driven hoax OR believes its all part of Gods Revelation plan.
How Religion Impacts Americans' Views on Climate Change and Energy Issues


Not sure how you came up with that idea

Through the prolific comments here on CF (check out threads) expressing disbelief in climate change and vitriolic comments and views on that its a liberal/socialist conspiracy OR not caring because the "end is Nigh and thats OK"

That and a number of research articles on the demographics of views on climate change science. An example is attached.
Religion Does Matter for Climate Change Attitudes and Behavior

We are called to be good stewards of what God gives us.
Thats good - I hope that extends to supporting policies that reduce our carbon footprint and supporting transition to energy production that is not based on fossil fuels.
 
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Considering that what we're seeing was for the most part prophecied, as well as the powerful forces that appear to be deliberately destroying the earth, how much of our personal resources (time, effort, money) should we commit to 'saving' the earth?

It’s not about ‘saving the earth’, that is just a convenient slogan. If we all died, the earth would be fine. It’s about saving your fellow man. People are dying because of climate change already, and the numbers of deaths and of people displaced by changes in weather patterns, rising sea levels etc, will continue to grow. The question you are asking is the same as questioning any other attempt to save people from any other situation. Climate change, maybe because it is less of an immediate issue for most of us, so far, has got mixed up
with all kinds of half-baked ideas. No-one (as far as I know) talks about shutting down hospitals or fire departments because ‘people are going to die anyway, so why bother?’.
 
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...its a liberal/socialist conspiracy...

Have they not already admitted as much? Today, the United Nations and it's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), is at the top of the climate change business.

Christiana Figueres, executive secretary of the U.N.'s Framework Convention on Climate Change, admitted during a February 2015 press conference in Brussels that the U.N.'s real purpose in promoting climate fear is to kill off capitalism:

This is the first time in human history that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally changing [getting rid of] the economic development model that has reigned since the Industrial Revolution.​

The economic model she referred to is free-market capitalism. A year earlier, Figueres revealed what U.S. capitalism must be replaced with when she complained that America's two-party constitutional democracy is hampering the U.N.'s climate objectives. She went on to cite China's communist system as the kind of government America must have if the U.N. is to do as it pleases. In other words, for the U.N. to have its way, America must become a single-party communist society.

Figueres is not alone. Another high-level U.N. Marxist had comments of his own about the hidden agenda behind "climate change." If you're among those who believe global warming alarmists when they say all they're trying to do is save the planet, what Dr. Ottmar Edenhofer had to say will leave your jaw on the floor.

In a Nov. 14, 2010 interview with Swiss newspaper Neue Zürcher Zeitung, Edenhofer, co-chair of the U.N. IPCC's Working Group III, made this shocking admission:

One must free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. [What we're doing] has almost nothing to do with the climate. We must state clearly that we use climate policy to redistribute de facto the world's wealth.​

On the same date, Edenhofer added this:

Climate policy has almost nothing to do anymore with protecting the environment. The next world climate summit in Cancun is actually an economy summit during which [re]distribution of the world's resources will be negotiated.​

Dr. Ottmar Edenhofer, one of the U.N.'s top climate officials, effectively admitted that the organization's public position on climate change is a hoax. The same admission was made earlier this year by Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's former chief of staff, Saikat Chakrabarti, who revealed that the Green New Deal is not about "saving the planet:"

It wasn't originally a climate thing at all ... we really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing.​

In other words, the Green New Deal is using climate hysteria as a backdoor way to turn America into a socialist nation.

https://www.americanthinker.com/art...ical_plot_behind_global_warming_hysteria.html
 
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Have they not already admitted as much? Today, the United Nations and it's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), is at the top of the climate change business.

Christiana Figueres, executive secretary of the U.N.'s Framework Convention on Climate Change, admitted during a February 2015 press conference in Brussels that the U.N.'s real purpose in promoting climate fear is to kill off capitalism:

This is the first time in human history that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally changing [getting rid of] the economic development model that has reigned since the Industrial Revolution.​

The economic model she referred to is free-market capitalism. A year earlier, Figueres revealed what U.S. capitalism must be replaced with when she complained that America's two-party constitutional democracy is hampering the U.N.'s climate objectives. She went on to cite China's communist system as the kind of government America must have if the U.N. is to do as it pleases. In other words, for the U.N. to have its way, America must become a single-party communist society.

Figueres is not alone. Another high-level U.N. Marxist had comments of his own about the hidden agenda behind "climate change." If you're among those who believe global warming alarmists when they say all they're trying to do is save the planet, what Dr. Ottmar Edenhofer had to say will leave your jaw on the floor.

In a Nov. 14, 2010 interview with Swiss newspaper Neue Zürcher Zeitung, Edenhofer, co-chair of the U.N. IPCC's Working Group III, made this shocking admission:

One must free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. [What we're doing] has almost nothing to do with the climate. We must state clearly that we use climate policy to redistribute de facto the world's wealth.​

On the same date, Edenhofer added this:

Climate policy has almost nothing to do anymore with protecting the environment. The next world climate summit in Cancun is actually an economy summit during which [re]distribution of the world's resources will be negotiated.​

Dr. Ottmar Edenhofer, one of the U.N.'s top climate officials, effectively admitted that the organization's public position on climate change is a hoax. The same admission was made earlier this year by Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's former chief of staff, Saikat Chakrabarti, who revealed that the Green New Deal is not about "saving the planet:"

It wasn't originally a climate thing at all ... we really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing.​

In other words, the Green New Deal is using climate hysteria as a backdoor way to turn America into a socialist nation.

https://www.americanthinker.com/art...ical_plot_behind_global_warming_hysteria.html

All I can say to that is that you should read and reflect on your own post again until you get the actual meaning of what you selectively quoted. It’s all there, if you can get past the superficial conclusions.
 
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Considering that what we're seeing was for the most part prophecied, as well as the powerful forces that appear to be deliberately destroying the earth, how much of our personal resources (time, effort, money) should we commit to 'saving' the earth?
In the 2000's people were worried the world was running out of oil. Now they have discovered enhanced petroleum recovery techniques enough to cause worry about greenhouse gases, global warming, rising sea levels and extreme weather events.

Based on the evidence, people should invest in energy conservation measures. Beach renourishment costs in Florida will rise. People will want the government to do something about it. Taxes will rise. Government deficits are rising. Holland has already built dikes. Higher ground in Miami rose in value as streets flooded during full moon high tides. People may need to move to more favorable locations to avoid flooding.
 
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I'm not concerned with climate change. I think we should do whatever we reasonably can to respect the environment, while still understanding that we are free to use it responsibly, but that we should eschew extremism and international commitments that amount to wealth transfers, while the worst culprit, China, does little to nothing to help.

We don't know when Christ returns, and to not care for the environment is a sin against ourselves and future generations. I remember visiting the Great Lakes many years ago and being astonished how polluted they obviously were. I'm glad we've made a lot of progress in some areas of environmental cleanup.
 
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If you care at all for the generations below you, and for those yet to be born, then your commitment should be absolute. That doesn't mean giving up your laptop or only riding a bicycle. It means to put your influence behind an alternative supply of energy that doesn't add to greenhouse emissions eg geothermal, solar, wind, hydro.

It means making a sincere commitment to lowering your use of plastics and reducing your footprint.

Its not so drastic - the result will be a cleaner, quieter earth. However, doing nothing will be apocalyptic. Now I fully get that this is a Christian site so many will be thinking - Great - we want the end of the earth because its foretold in Revelations and so we want to make the earth worse not better. I acknowledge I have to work against that type of thinking in the interest of my generation and my children.

What do you mean by "absolute"?
 
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Even if God decided to destroy the earth tomorrow, it doesn't at all take away the responsibility he gave humankind to be good stewards of the earth. He never said anything to the effect that it was okay to help him destroy it, or to just sit back and and do nothing because of some belief that God is going to eventually destroy it anyway.

So yes, Christians should be concerned about climate change and help do whatever is needed for stewardship of the earth until and if God decides it to be unnecessary.

How "concerned" in terms of time, effort, and money?
 
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I'd love to see more nuclear power. We can already do that, and it's not dependent on the weather.


As someone who believes the prophesies in Revelation and 2 Peter and the Gospels, I really don't see any sort of imperative to actively make the planet filthier. The only imperative we have to speed Christ's coming is to spread the Gospel to every tongue, tribe, and nation.

I think we may be in the period of the "famine of the word".
 
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It’s not about ‘saving the earth’, that is just a convenient slogan. If we all died, the earth would be fine. It’s about saving your fellow man. People are dying because of climate change already, and the numbers of deaths and of people displaced by changes in weather patterns, rising sea levels etc, will continue to grow. The question you are asking is the same as questioning any other attempt to save people from any other situation. Climate change, maybe because it is less of an immediate issue for most of us, so far, has got mixed up
with all kinds of half-baked ideas. No-one (as far as I know) talks about shutting down hospitals or fire departments because ‘people are going to die anyway, so why bother?’.

Do you believe we have the ability to affect climate change?
 
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C.S. Lewis said this in some book..."Aim at Heaven and you will get Earth 'thrown in': aim at Earth and you will get neither."

The writer of Hebrews said this...

"At that time his voice shook the earth, but now he has promised, “Yet once more I will shake not only the earth but also the heavens.” This phrase, “Yet once more,” indicates the removal of things that are shaken—that is, things that have been made—in order that the things that cannot be shaken may remain. Therefore let us be grateful for receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken...(Heb. 12:26-28)

This is a good time to be alive, before the real catastrophe, when the Lord Jesus"...is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels in flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus". (2 Thess.1)
 
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Again, already, those born again by the will of the Father in heaven already do all that the Father says DO.

There's no "and yet" as if we can wait until we feel like it.

This was the thinking of many in the Thessalonian church as they sat around doing nothing in anticipation of Christ's immanent return. Paul rebuked them.
 
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Hi zoli,

Your posts include:
Thats good - I hope that extends to supporting policies that reduce our carbon footprint and supporting transition to energy production that is not based on fossil fuels.

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I'm just not convinced that the sign speaks the truth. I believe that my children and their children and the children of all future generations, until Jesus returns, will, as far as the major cause of a generation's death, be old age.

There really isn't any verifiable proof that this melting of polar ice, is anything more than the natural processes of our enduring earth. There are a number of reasons given for the changing ozone, but none are particularly definitive in proclaiming why this part of earth's surrounding stratosphere acts as it does. Some more recent findings claim that the 'hole' in the ozone is smaller now than it has been in the past. What if it's supposed to act as it does?

Some people make the claim that forest fires are a good thing for a healthy forest. It cleans up the forest floor and allows for new and often healthier growth. Here's a quote from Sciencemag.org:

They are nature's way of clearing out the dead litter on forest floors. This allows important nutrients to return to the soil, enabling a new healthy beginning for plants and animals. Fires also play an important role in the reproduction of some plants.

Do we know for sure that this change in the ozone isn't just as much nature's way of dealing with the earth's atmosphere? Not all, of course, but many forest fires are begun with a strike of lightening that creates heated embers when it strikes a tree. God created lightening and it must, therefore, be a part of His design for the enduring earth. What if God also created the atmosphere so that it might 'cleanse' itself from time to time to continue the life of a healthy earth?

Admittedly we should be responsible as far as polluting our atmosphere, but what if the ozone depletion is God's way of having prepared the earth for all this pollution that He must have obviously known would be forthcoming? After all, if God knows the end from the beginning, then He has known, since proclaiming the first "Let there be...", that man was going to create factories and vehicles that were going to spew toxins into the atmosphere. What if He planned for that?

Just my thoughts. But, I'm assured, by the Scriptures, that the end of this earth as we know it isn't going to be by man-made global warming. It's going to come at its appointed time according to the prophetic words of God. Peter forewarns us that this present earth is, and has always been according to God's word, reserved for a fiery death. My money is with Peter being the one who is right about the destruction of the earth.

Here's a video showing how the ice melt has been affected at the north pole:

Yet I've been going to Ft. Lauderdale beach now for about 60 years and it's still pretty much where it's always been as far as the shoreline. Despite the dire predictions that low level areas will be flooded, that seems to only be the case if the entirety of the ice on the earth melts. This video shows that about half of the northern ice has melted from what it was 60 years ago. According o NASA, over the last 40 years, we have gone from just over 7 million sq km of ice, to just over 4 million sq km of ice. So, we stand close to the point where half of the earth's ice sheet is gone. Where are all the flooded cities and towns along the coast? Even Venice, a city that actually sits in the middle of the sea still has it's water line about where its always been. Although they did recently have a temporary flood that was worse than it's been, the water level rise was only temporary and Venice has, for centuries, withstood such temporary flooding.

So, my question is simply that if we've already seen half of the earth's ice sheets melt, why aren't we seeing at least half of the cities and towns that are supposed to flood...flooded? I think it worth considering that the majority of the northern hemisphere's ice is floating ice, as the video claims. Floating ice doesn't really raise the surrounding water level. Just as the ice in your glass of soda, as it melts, doesn't raise the level of the liquid in your glass. Floating ice is in equilibrium with the water displacement of the ice below the water line, being the same as the total volume of the frozen water, when it melts. So that means that most of the northern hemisphere's ice can melt without changing sea levels much and that's exactly what we seem to be seeing.

Now, global warming may certainly mean that a degree or two average temperature change will mean that we won't have quite as much water frozen into ice each season as we've long seen and as the video shows. But, the northern and southern hemispheres would have to heat up a lot more than one or two degrees for the entirety of the ice on planet earth to just no longer exist or renew itself.

So I'm inclined to believe that just as God's word says, His promise made after the great flood, that the earth will endure just as it was first created to endure in supporting the life of man. That the changes in ice sheet are likely more cyclical in nature and meant to work as they are by the wise and majestic God who created all things. That we aren't going to destroy the earth with global warming. The earth is reserved for the destruction that God's word tells us is coming. There just don't seem to be a lot of 'facts' supporting the 'fear' that man now has that he's destroying the earth.

My 2¢ worth.

God bless,
In Christ, ted
 
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This was the thinking of many in the Thessalonian church as they sat around doing nothing in anticipation of Christ's immanent return. Paul rebuked them.
Nothing of the sort.

(or did you mean those thinking they could just wait until they felt like it ? )
 
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How "concerned" in terms of time, effort, and money?

We can't even get to the point of making such decisions when we have such a large faction of people who simply deny that there is a problem and bury their heads in the sand.
 
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Nothing of the sort.

(or did you mean those thinking they could just wait until they felt like it ? )

They believed that since Christ was returning soon, they no longer needed to be concerned about anything else and just sat around waiting for him to arrive.

So until God informs us otherwise, which he has not, we are still to continue being good stewards of the things that God has given us, including this earth. Unfortunately, we have done a terrible job on the whole out of both disobedience and ignorance.
 
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They believed that since Christ was returning soon, they no longer needed to be concerned about anything else and just sat around waiting for him to arrive.

So until God informs us otherwise, which he has not, we are still to continue being good stewards of the things that God has given us, including this earth. Unfortunately, we have done a terrible job on the whole out of both disobedience and ignorance.
It looks like a much much much (totally) different "we" you are referring to here. vs "we".

Two totally completely different groups, eh ?
 
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It looks like a much much much (totally) different "we" you are referring to here. vs "we".

Two totally completely different groups, eh ?

The "we" is humanity in general.
 
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