Sketcher (quote)Jesus did what he needed to do.
(reply) well if thats what you wanna believe; but if you ask me, when you acknowledge the fact that worldwide, only a small percentage of people follow your Jesus; I would say he could have done a lot more; Im just sayin.
(quote) And I don't consider the Apocrypha to be divinely inspired, nor authentic, nor consistent with real Scripture. How about that.
(reply) Very good! Now how bout the bible? Do you feel it is authentic and consistent with what Jesus had in mind?
Originally Posted by Ken-1122(reply) You say that now because thats all you have to work with. But common sense tells me that words of wisdom should come from the source rather than 2nd hand information thus actions of God AND written word of God is better.
Drich0150 (quote) Not according to the culture in which first received the word of God. Your "common sense" did not mean much to them. So the question should be should God have forsaken all of those generations of believers for the sake of your "common sense" for this and maybe a few generations before us?
(reply) Pardon my ignorance but Im just not getting this; you have A and B
a. Jesus preaching, teaching, and working miracles,
b. Jesus preaching, teaching, working miracles, AND writing stuff down so future generations can know what he was about.
Please explain to me exactly how A is better than B
(quote) Again look at the structured belief of Islam They worship the texts of their prophet as if it were a god unto itself. And they always had what they believe the divine inspired words of their god.
(reply) Maybe you should talk to an actual Muslim and learn how they believe. They see the Koran as sacred but they dont worship it, they worship Allah. They consider it a sin to worship anything but Allah. Tell you what; talk to an actual Muslim, learn how they precieve the Koran then get back with me on what he said.
(quote) My observation of Muslims is not to identify them as Good or bad. i reserve judgment for God. the point i was trying to make was that this system of belief has a text supposedly written to the equivalent of Jesus (In their eyes.) Because of this, it stunts their spiritual growth, and forces all believers to partake in the worship of their version of the holy texts. this divided worship limits what they can give to their god.
(reply) Again, talk to a Muslim before accusing them of worshiping paper and ink.
Next when I said: As I said before, why not all that AND his written word?
He replied (quote) And as I asked before; When was all of this to take place? With what resources was Christ to be supplied with Paper? With what authority would He have written? to whom? Especially in a culture who prizes Oral tradition over that of written expression?
(reply) It could have taken place anytime during the 33 years he walked the Earth. He could have done this by the authority of God, and as far as resources, I am sure if God has the Cattle of a thousand hills, he can supply his son with the tools to write his message for future generations. And where did you get this information that this culture prized Oral tradition over writing stuff down?
LWB (quote) Jesus did write the Bible, through the apostles and various prophets throughout history.
(reply) So why did some prophets claim him to be the son of God and others did not?
Next when I asked: So as it stands right now, is it your opinion that the bible lacks credibility because it was written by flawed and imperfect men?
Solorwave replied: I think it has errors but that doesn't mean that Christianity as a whole is false or that God isn't real. To say that because the Bible has errors that none of it can be believed is unintellectual and bias and doesn't realise that many secular books have errors but are sources of truth
(reply) I didnt ask if the Bible has errors, I didnt ask if Christianity as a whole is false, and I didnt ask if God was real.
You answered a lot of questions I didnt ask, but you neglected to answer the one question I did ask so I shall repeat: Is it your opinion that the bible lacks credibility because it was written by flawed and imperfect men?
Bling (quote) There are lots of excellent logical reasons why Jesus did not write anything.
1.God/Jesus does not want us to commit to some teaching words written on a page. The message itself is not the Good News, but the messenger is!
2.The teachings of Jesus had already been presented and written down in the Old Testament, so there is nothing really knew about His words.
3.We are not selling some words to people, handing them a Bible, people need to see God/Christ eyeball to eyeball, have time with God one on one, let God listen to them, show He really cares, hug them, support the good in them and Love them as they are. That is the way it is to work and the best way it does work: Christ living through true Christians serving non Christians and other Christians with true Godly type Love. Christians themselves are to be the source for experiencing Godly type Love for the non Christian and not some book. The Church grew very rapidly without the Bible to show this.
4.It is only after you have many scattered Christians do you need a written message to support them and assure them; that they are being led by the correct Spirit. It is not designed for the non Christian.
5.It has already been stated some of the problems with having words written by God Himself: we would wind up worshipping the words (like the Muslims do). In addition: we would all have to learn Greek (a big waste of time), we would not be able to translate it for fear of losing something, the exact words would have to be memorized (big waste of time), we would not using the Bible like the common tool for daily support, since it is Holy, and it deemphasizes the messenger.
There are other reasons that take lots of explaining so let us see what you do with these first.
Okay hows this
1.Then why was the bible written at all?
2 So why did Jesus do any teaching at all if he didnt have anything new to say?
3 See answer #1
4 Well there are plenty of scattered Christians and one of the reasons is probably because the various authors who wrote about him are inconsistent about what he said.
5 That argument has already failed. As far as translating, that was a problem with the current bible; for many years people were afraid to translate it into English for fear of getting it wrong. They say some people were even put to death for improper translating; but it exists today! The same would be if Jesus wrote the bible.
How did I do? Lets hear some more.
Harry3142 (quote) We don't know that Jesus didn't write down something. We know that the gospel's authors received at least part of their information from someone else. Who's to say that it wasn't Jesus' writings that they used?
(reply) If that were the case I am sure that information would have been uncovered by now.
Peace
Ken