How can you prove evolution?

[Hydra009]

That is absolutely correct. The only thing is that evolution is not supported by scientific discoveries.

Name one scientific discovery that disproves evolution.

 

[HRE]

Try me, NatJo. Like what?

 

[NatJo]

For example, the fossil record is incomplete. These moderate fossils are nothing more than lies and hoaxes.

 

[funyun]

For example, the fossil record is incomplete. These moderate fossils are nothing more than lies and hoaxes.

1) Of course the fossil record is incomplete. For it to be complete, we'd have to have every piece of every organism that ever lived. The fact that we don't have a "complete" fossil record is well-known, and doesn't make for a good anti-evolution argument.

2) What is a "moderate fossil"?

3) Can you provide proof that these "moderate fossils" are lies and hoaxes?

 

[NatJo]

When I say moderate fossil, I mean a transitional fossil. For example, ape to man. A good example would be Java Man. Their were only a few bone fragments that were found. These fragments are well within the range of size for human bones, even though the media hype made it sound like a transitional fossil.

 

[Vance]

There are as many hoaxes by Creationists as by those who accept evolution. The fact is that the hoax was uncovered by evolutionists and exposed by them. The existence of a hoax does not cancel out all the other fossil records. It sounds as if you have fallen into the trap I describe in my signature line. I bet you really have no idea what the fossil record even says. Do you know that there are hominid fossils that are SO "transitional" that Creationist "scientists" disagree over whether they are human or ape?

Please, get your information from a source OTHER than a creationist website.

 

[Hydra009]

When I say moderate fossil, I mean a transitional fossil.

Then you're in luck. A lot of them have been discovered. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC200.html

For example, ape to man.

You mean like this?

btw, I'm good for 1 more wish.

 

[NatJo]

You have human fossils and you have ape fossils. There is no in between, no connection. I try to keep myself versed on the arguments from both sides, by the way.

 

[funyun]

When I say moderate fossil, I mean a transitional fossil. For example, ape to man. A good example would be Java Man. Their were only a few bone fragments that were found. These fragments are well within the range of size for human bones, even though the media hype made it sound like a transitional fossil.

The size of the bones isn't even a prime candidate for how researchers determine anythign about the species of the specimen.

And Java man is a transitional fossil-- he was probably a Homo erectus.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/humans/humankind/index.html

BTW, please use the term transitional, and not moderate fossil from now on. Thanks.

 

[funyun]

You have human fossils and you have ape fossils. There is no in between, no connection. I try to keep myself versed on the arguments from both sides, by the way.

I'm assuming you are qualified to make such a bold statement? I'm assuming you have yourself observed every single proported transitional fossil and come to the conclusion that there are only two possible categories for them?

No, I'm sorry, there are many transitional fossils between apes and Homo sapiens. Go look in the mirror. You're looking at a transitional fossil.

 

[NatJo]

I'm not quite a transitional fossil yet, if you assume I'm in a transition stage.

 

[funyun]

I'm not quite a transitional fossil yet, if you assume I'm in a transition stage.

No, not quite yet. Give it a good 100 years though and you will be. Every species that has ever lived is a transitional fossil.

 

[NatJo]

You're last statement is an assumption.

 

[funyun]

You're last statement is an assumption.

No, it's obvious when taken with evolution itself, that since species are constantly evolving, every species is a transitional fossil. You think Homo sapiens are some kind of pinnacle? That we have nowhere else to go? That' shows a very flawed understanding of evolution.

 

[NatJo]

That is assuming you agree with the evolution model.

 

[Hydra009]

You have human fossils and you have ape fossils. There is no in between, no connection.

Of course not. Apparently, that one wasn't obvious enough. See anything now?

I try to keep myself versed on the arguments from both sides, by the way.

Then you aren't showing it, because if you had, then you would already know the evolutionist response to creationist claims of no transitionals and I wouldn't have to post it for you.

 

[awstar]

Awstar,

Are you equating mutations with "mistakes"?

Why?

Just parroting the site i was reading about mutation and DNA

"Mutations in DNA sequences generally occur through one of two processes:


DNA damage from environmental agents such as ultraviolet light (sunshine), nuclear radiation or certain chemicals

Mistakes that occur when a cell copies its DNA in preparation for cell division." http://gslc.genetics.utah.edu/units/disorders/sloozeworm/mutationbg.cfm​

 

[funyun]

That is assuming you agree with the evolution model.

When you have discredited and discounted 200 years of observation, experimentation, analysis, and evidence, then we'll talk about evolution not being in the picture. As you have not yet done that in this thread, we will continue to use evolution as the most accurate model for biological diversity on this planet. And that's based on evidence, not assumption.

 

[bluejeans]

There is no evidence at all that supports TOE. Evolution is an ancient pagan
religious belief and it's still in pagan religions today also.
Henry Morris has a great book out that is well researched that proves this is
a fact and so does Dave Hunt.Evolution is no more science than christian
science is. Evolution is a religious view repackaged to get all the atheists back
into religion because Satan isn't about to let them get away with not worshiping
him. Atheism has already served it's purpose,now we are in the last days where
people believe in fables instead of the truth of the bible.
I'm going to be straight with all you atheists right now,and let you know my
answer ahead of time before you even ask me," No',I don't believe in Harry
Potter!"

 

[NatJo]

I take the creationist view of evolution judging by the evidence not assumption.