How can you prove evolution?

[Nathan Poe]

Say that when it's -25C and the winds up.

You don't see too many apes out in that weather, do you?

Maybe they're smarter than us after all: If you don't like the climate, MIGRATE!

 

[h2whoa]

You don't see too many apes out in that weather, do you?

Maybe they're smarter than us after all: If you don't like the climate, MIGRATE!

Redundant. False dichotomy.

Col... erm I mean h2.

 

[Ondoher]

So if a billion human babies were born and not one of them had wings so that it could fly, you would not have proven evolution theory to be false, but it's reasonable to believe that it might be flawed?

Why would it be reasonable to believe something is flawed that is supported by all evidence and appears to have no flaws?

 

[HRE]

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False, like I have demonstrated in another thread:

Actually, mutations is adequate in meeting this demand. There are many kinds of mutations: Deletion, Duplication, Inversion, Insertion and Translocation.

Picture source: Wikipedia

One causes a loss in formation, two are neutral and two cause a gain. All are observed. In fact, Translocation can also cause a gain in information:

Wrong again. For this segment of this post, I would like you to keep very well in mind this table as I go through the processes by which DNA mutations gain totally new information. Each of the boxes in this table represents an amino acid. The left of the box represents the codon series of three rybonucleic bases on the transfer RNA (tRNA) which instructs rybosomes how to produce a chain of polypeptide (protein). AUG produces Met, or Methionine, which signals the start of ALL protein chains, while UAA, UAG, UGA signals the rybosome to cease coding.

Now, let's say we have a line of code that goes AUG-CAU-GAU-CGA-AAG-UCA-UAG. This codes into Met-His-Asp-Arg-Lys-Ser-Stop. Below are diagrams demonstrating each of the types of mutations shown in the diagram in the above segment of the post can produce "totally" new information:

The mechanisms for BOTH increasing the VOLUME of information AND creating of NEW information for new amino acids being coded in new places have been demonstrated. So where, then, is this "magic barrier" to prevent macroevolution from occuring?

See, sopharos, this makes perfect sense to me, and probably to most of the users of this forum. However, to those without an education in genetics beyond what a High School offers, those pictures make no sense.

 

[kingreaper]

See, sopharos, this makes perfect sense to me, and probably to most of the users of this forum. However, to those without an education in genetics beyond what a High School offers, those pictures make no sense.

Actually, not much biology is needed to understand what those depict, only a bit of logic

Unfortunately thats also in very short supply

 

[Tomk80]

See, sopharos, this makes perfect sense to me, and probably to most of the users of this forum. However, to those without an education in genetics beyond what a High School offers, those pictures make no sense.

In that case they should study it if they want to be part of the debate. I'd say that the figure isn't to hard to understand when studying it.

 

[Magnus Vile]

You don't see too many apes out in that weather, do you?

Maybe they're smarter than us after all: If you don't like the climate, MIGRATE!

I did

(Though I should poiint out, I actually prefer colder weather to the weather here in Florida)

And you don't see many other apes out in that weather, which might be considered smarter except that other apes don't have anything like the range of humans. Clothing can take the place of fur when it is needed and gives us a wider range of enviromaents we can survive in.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Redundant. False dichotomy.

Col... erm I mean h2.

Sock Puppet

 

[Nathan Poe]

And you don't see many other apes out in that weather, which might be considered smarter except that other apes don't have anything like the range of humans. Clothing can take the place of fur when it is needed and gives us a wider range of enviromaents we can survive in.

My point exactly: Clothing is a convenience, not an evolutionary requirement

 

[awstar]

Why would an ape require clothes?

To more easily adapt to a range of different climates of course

How fortunate us clothes requiring apes also evolved into apes who were smart enough to sew clothes too!! Could you imagine how humiliating it would be to have to wait for some other animal to evolve into garment makers while we shivered through each winter? What do you suppose evolved first, bare skin with goose bumps or the loin cloth?

 

[h2whoa]

Why would an ape require clothes?



How fortunate us clothes requiring apes also evolved into apes who were smart enough to sew clothes too!! Could you imagine how humiliating it would be to have to wait for some other animal to evolve into garment makers while we shivered through each winter? What do you suppose evolved first, bare skin with goose bumps or the loin cloth?

It's not like they were trying to make an Armani suit. Skin an antelope and throw the fur over yourself. Where's the sewing in that?

h2

 

[kingreaper]

Why would an ape require clothes?



How fortunate us clothes requiring apes also evolved into apes who were smart enough to sew clothes too!! Could you imagine how humiliating it would be to have to wait for some other animal to evolve into garment makers while we shivered through each winter? What do you suppose evolved first, bare skin with goose bumps or the loin cloth?

ERRR

In equatorial regions people don't need much clothing at any time of the year

The "out of africa" hypothesis would support the idea that hairloss was an adaptation to the heat in africa, and as they traveled to colder areas, or just for aaditional protection of deicate body-parts (like the loins) the clothing was then invented

Hairless people in africa still don't generally need much clothing, but hairlesss people in antartica do

 

[Nathan Poe]

Hairless people in africa still don't generally need much clothing, but hairlesss people in antartica do

I think clothing in Antartica is a good idea for the people with hair as well...

 

[Physics_guy]

How fortunate us clothes requiring apes also evolved into apes who were smart enough to sew clothes too!! Could you imagine how humiliating it would be to have to wait for some other animal to evolve into garment makers while we shivered through each winter? What do you suppose evolved first, bare skin with goose bumps or the loin cloth?

Shocking how the puddle perfectly fits into the hole in the pavement.

 

[Norseman]

It's impossible to explain Evolutionary thinking in common terms because that would expose what they believe and make it seem almost as inconcievable as it really is. Simplicity exposes things.

Ergo big sky fairy shaping up some mud, calling it Adam, stealing it's rib, and making trop curieux Eve so he can shag defaults as true?

 

[awstar]

ERRR

In equatorial regions people don't need much clothing at any time of the year

The "out of africa" hypothesis would support the idea that hairloss was an adaptation to the heat in africa, and as they traveled to colder areas, or just for aaditional protection of deicate body-parts (like the loins) the clothing was then invented

Hairless people in africa still don't generally need much clothing, but hairlesss people in antartica do

But what of the ones migrating towards the south pole. Did they evolve in parallel to those migrating towards the north pole?

Or then, can we deduce that all traits common to man and no other animal must of come "out of africa" before migrating -- like a thirst for justice, or the capacity to lie -- for example?