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No, I’m quite serious. The Romans were very willing to oblige those looking for martyrdom.
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How can they morally aim when death penalty is involved?
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I trust you, for i have no knowledge of roman customs.
By the way, seems to me looking for martyrdom is not martyrdom.
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yeshuaslavejeff
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What does this have to do with mankind/ society/ the world most of which that remains lost ?
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yeshuaslavejeff
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excerpt of wiki
Meaning
In its original meaning, the word martyr, meaning witness, was used in the secular sphere as well as in the New Testament of the Bible.[1] The process of bearing witness was not intended to lead to the death of the witness, although it is known from ancient writers (e.g. Josephus) and from the New Testament that witnesses often died for their testimonies.
During the early Christian centuries, the term acquired the extended meaning of believers who are called to witness for their religious belief, and on account of this witness, endures suffering or death. The term, in this later sense, entered the English language as a loanword. The death of a martyr or the value attributed to it is called martyrdom.
The early Christians who first began to use the term martyr in its new sense saw Jesus as the first and greatest martyr, on account of his crucifixion.[2][3][4] The early Christians appear to have seen Jesus as the archetypal martyr.[5]
Meaning
In its original meaning, the word martyr, meaning witness, was used in the secular sphere as well as in the New Testament of the Bible.[1] The process of bearing witness was not intended to lead to the death of the witness, although it is known from ancient writers (e.g. Josephus) and from the New Testament that witnesses often died for their testimonies.
During the early Christian centuries, the term acquired the extended meaning of believers who are called to witness for their religious belief, and on account of this witness, endures suffering or death. The term, in this later sense, entered the English language as a loanword. The death of a martyr or the value attributed to it is called martyrdom.
The early Christians who first began to use the term martyr in its new sense saw Jesus as the first and greatest martyr, on account of his crucifixion.[2][3][4] The early Christians appear to have seen Jesus as the archetypal martyr.[5]
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I find the term "good malefactor" to be self contradictory.
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This malefactor, his fair ultimate testimony and Jesus's reply display hope for anyone informed of the Gospel. For at that very moment, whereas everything seemed lost for the disciples, both him and Jesus still bore hope. The other malefactor, as i'm optimistic, i hope he possibly converted at his fellowmalefactor's rebuking. If not, may be some christians pray or have prayed for his soul's salvation. May be you guessed it: i've turned catholic, and catholics believe their prayers may soften the fate of purgatory's souls.
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yeshuaslavejeff
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This and other of your ideas are directly contrary to Scripture, as is the direction you are going as far as I can tell.
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jeff baggett
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I have struggled with this my whole life. Always been against abortion, and the death penalty as well. The two issues are synonymous with me. I know God killed people for sinning but that was old testament, fortunately so for me because I ate bacon tonite.
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yeshuaslavejeff
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Maybe not so fortunate as you think: remember Ananias and Saphira ....
They died quickly by the Word of Yahweh for lying "once" in Acts as written.
Later, in Corinth, many were sick AND dying for being disobedient, as written.
etc etc etc
They died quickly by the Word of Yahweh for lying "once" in Acts as written.
Later, in Corinth, many were sick AND dying for being disobedient, as written.
etc etc etc
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Well, here is an interesting thing:
Consider the case of Daniel. Daniel had risen to a highly trusted and authoritative position within the court of Nebuchadnezzar.
Yet, when Babylon was conquered by Persia, Daniel had not tied himself so inextricably into the web of Babylonian government that he could not step right into the service of Persia. That's because Daniel never forgot that his real nation was Israel, and he expected to return someday.
That's how a Christian should be in any worldly nation.
As 1 Peter shows, you and I are both citizens of heaven, deployed to these earthly nations as temporary residents, ambassadors representing Heaven. You have been deployed to France. I have been deployed to the United States. We are in these countries to perform missions of limited duration...then we are going home, just as Daniel expected.
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