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How can there be free will in heaven?

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What is stopping another fall? Why are Christians promised ETERNAL life if God is just going to recreate everything and give us bodies like Adam and Eve had? To me it makes no sense that you can have free will over God's sovereignty because what is stopping another human being, angel, or other created being from wanting power? If our will is free in the Arminian sense, there is NOTHING stopping another fall because Adam and Eve were created perfect as well. The only reason they were allowed to sin was because God decreed it. God decrees no sin forever, than there will be no more sin forever.
 

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What is stopping another fall? Why are Christians promised ETERNAL life if God is just going to recreate everything and give us bodies like Adam and Eve had? To me it makes no sense that you can have free will over God's sovereignty because what is stopping another human being, angel, or other created being from wanting power? If our will is free in the Arminian sense, there is NOTHING stopping another fall because Adam and Eve were created perfect as well. The only reason they were allowed to sin was because God decreed it. God decrees no sin forever, than there will be no more sin forever.

No one knows. There could in fact be another rebellion. If one third of the angels rebelled there's nothing stopping another third from rebelling. And it goes on and on and on.

Ecc 1:10 Is there anything of which one can say, “Look! This is something new”? It was here already, long ago; it was here before our time.
 
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What is stopping another fall? Why are Christians promised ETERNAL life if God is just going to recreate everything and give us bodies like Adam and Eve had? To me it makes no sense that you can have free will over God's sovereignty because what is stopping another human being, angel, or other created being from wanting power? If our will is free in the Arminian sense, there is NOTHING stopping another fall because Adam and Eve were created perfect as well. The only reason they were allowed to sin was because God decreed it. God decrees no sin forever, than there will be no more sin forever.

We will be re-created (changed) without sin and the tempter (satan) won't be there.

Would have Adam and Eve sinned if they hadn't been tempted? Nope.
 
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What is stopping another fall? Why are Christians promised ETERNAL life if God is just going to recreate everything and give us bodies like Adam and Eve had? To me it makes no sense that you can have free will over God's sovereignty because what is stopping another human being, angel, or other created being from wanting power? If our will is free in the Arminian sense, there is NOTHING stopping another fall because Adam and Eve were created perfect as well. The only reason they were allowed to sin was because God decreed it. God decrees no sin forever, than there will be no more sin forever.

No God did not decree sin

decree

an official order issued by a legal authority

They had a choice .... and so do we.
 
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What is stopping another fall? Why are Christians promised ETERNAL life if God is just going to recreate everything and give us bodies like Adam and Eve had? To me it makes no sense that you can have free will over God's sovereignty because what is stopping another human being, angel, or other created being from wanting power? If our will is free in the Arminian sense, there is NOTHING stopping another fall because Adam and Eve were created perfect as well. The only reason they were allowed to sin was because God decreed it. God decrees no sin forever, than there will be no more sin forever.
Where does Scripture present the "free will" of man, or as necessary to man?
 
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What is stopping another fall? Why are Christians promised ETERNAL life if God is just going to recreate everything and give us bodies like Adam and Eve had? To me it makes no sense that you can have free will over God's sovereignty because what is stopping another human being, angel, or other created being from wanting power? If our will is free in the Arminian sense, there is NOTHING stopping another fall because Adam and Eve were created perfect as well. The only reason they were allowed to sin was because God decreed it. God decrees no sin forever, than there will be no more sin forever.

No he is not going to give us bodies like Adam and Eve had, we already have those type bodies, which is made flesh from the dust the chemicals of the Earth.
Scripture tells us we will be as Jesus is and we will see him as he truly is.
Nowhere in scripture does it say Adam and Eve were created perfect - the Bible says God said it is good. That is an error in theological teachings of scripture which are based on what man wants to believe.
And you are correct what God decrees - he decrees and it will be so.
 
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No he is not going to give us bodies like Adam and Eve had, we already have those type bodies, which is made flesh from the dust the chemicals of the Earth.
Scripture tells us we will be as Jesus is and we will see him as he truly is.
Nowhere in scripture does it say Adam and Eve were created perfect,
And nowhere in Scripture does it say God is triune.
Declarative statements are not required to know the truth of Scripture.
It can be derived from the context of Scripture.

Adam and Eve were created spiritually sinless,
with an immortal body (Genesis 2:17)
that was honorable (not defiled by sin).

That is what our resurrection bodies will be (1 Corinthians 15:42-44), and that is what perfect is.
Scripture does "say" they were created perfect.
- the Bible says God said it is good. That is an error in theological teachings of scripture which are based on what man wants to believe.
And you are correct what God decrees - he decrees and it will be so.
 
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What is stopping another fall? Why are Christians promised ETERNAL life if God is just going to recreate everything and give us bodies like Adam and Eve had? To me it makes no sense that you can have free will over God's sovereignty because what is stopping another human being, angel, or other created being from wanting power? If our will is free in the Arminian sense, there is NOTHING stopping another fall because Adam and Eve were created perfect as well. The only reason they were allowed to sin was because God decreed it. God decrees no sin forever, than there will be no more sin forever.

There won't be any evil, either from our own bodies, or from the world, to steer us wrong. The snake is in hell.

We don't sin because our soul wants to here on earth, we do it because our human brains are dysfunctional.
 
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What is stopping another fall? Why are Christians promised ETERNAL life if God is just going to recreate everything and give us bodies like Adam and Eve had? To me it makes no sense that you can have free will over God's sovereignty because what is stopping another human being, angel, or other created being from wanting power? If our will is free in the Arminian sense, there is NOTHING stopping another fall because Adam and Eve were created perfect as well. The only reason they were allowed to sin was because God decreed it. God decrees no sin forever, than there will be no more sin forever.
God does not decree sin. That may be where the hangup is.
Blessings.
 
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What is stopping another fall? Why are Christians promised ETERNAL life if God is just going to recreate everything and give us bodies like Adam and Eve had? To me it makes no sense that you can have free will over God's sovereignty because what is stopping another human being, angel, or other created being from wanting power? If our will is free in the Arminian sense, there is NOTHING stopping another fall because Adam and Eve were created perfect as well. The only reason they were allowed to sin was because God decreed it. God decrees no sin forever, than there will be no more sin forever.
according to something prophesied by Isaiah, we may not remember any of this, so we might not care ..

Isaiah 43:18, Isaiah 65:17
 
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We will be re-created (changed) without sin and the tempter (satan) won't be there.

Would have Adam and Eve sinned if they hadn't been tempted? Nope.

The issue is that rebellion didn't start with Adam and Eve being tempted by Satan. The rebellion started when Satan (Lucifer) turned against God and took a third of the angels with him out of Heaven, and this took place sometime before the Earth was even created.
So I'm assuming the OP is wondering what would prevent another angel of high rank (Michael, Gabriel, etc.) from deciding that they should be worshipped as God, and then leave Heaven, and maybe take other angels (or even some of us) with him.
 
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What is stopping another fall?
Holiness and righteousness are by choice, just as is sinfulness.
GOD does no evil by HIS free will decision to be true to HIS own nature.
The holy elect angels reject evil by their free will decision to be true to HIM.

Once we have experienced the legal and natural consequences of choosing evil, ie, we have eaten of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, and have experienced HIS grace in redemption after having seen the proof of HIS glory and power, Rom 1:18-20, no one would ever choose to repeat the fiasco of rebelling against HIM.

Hebrews 12:5-11 tells us quite clearly that our free will is trained by harsh discipline to only choose righteousness and we are not to despise this training since it is proof of HIS fatherly love for us.

Why was the judgement of the Satanic goats, postponed? It was postponed due to the sins of HIS elect sheep making them liable to destruction with the reprobate:
Matthew 13:27 The owner’s servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’ 28 ‘An enemy did this,’ he replied. [a reference to the explanation of this parable, ie, no more metaphor, in verses 36-39]
So the servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’[to bring the judgement upon them?] 29 ‘NO!’ he said, [postpone the judgement because...] ‘if you pull the weeds now, you might uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest. The time of the harvest is the time of the maturity of the wheat and the only maturity that saves a sinner from the judgment is a mature holiness! And that time of holiness is the time when the last stubborn sheep is finally fully trained in righteousness, that is, will never sin again by his free will but is made perfect in holy righteousness.
 
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Where does Scripture present the "free will" of man, or as necessary to man?

Every time righteous judgment, love or marriage is mentioned... A free will is implicitly contained in the definitions of these things. No explicit statement of scripture is necessary when it is implied by word definitions and context...

No one is guilty of sin if they don't choose it themselves by their free will.
No marriage is a true marriage of souls if it is forced against the will of the Bride.
True love cannot be forced by mental manipulation or any other power.
 
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There won't be any evil, either from our own bodies, or from the world, to steer us wrong. The snake is in hell.

You are a sinner because you chose to sin, to rebel against GOD for some vainly perceived value to be found in the pleasures or profits of sinfulness, NOT because someone forced you to sin...
 
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You are a sinner because you chose to sin, to rebel against GOD for some vainly perceived value to be found in the pleasures or profits of sinfulness, NOT because someone forced you to sin...
No. You are a sinner because you are a descendant of Adam after he allowed sin in. Every man is born with the sin nature. That is why you must be born again. Read John 3.
 
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You are a sinner because you chose to sin, to rebel against GOD for some vainly perceived value to be found in the pleasures or profits of sinfulness, NOT because someone forced you to sin...

You added the word "forced". Not me.

...But this is a conversation about why we won't desire the pleasures of sinfulness in heaven! And that is because our bodies, will rise from the dead "rebuilt", without the attachments of original sin (sin nature). And so there will be no desire for sin from within! Also, there will be no surrounding influences from the environment of heaven. Sin does not exist there!
 
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I think while we would have free choice and a theoretical possibility of sinning, we wouldn't, for a number of reasons:
  1. Jesus, the Holy Spirit and God would be so close and manifest to us that we wouldn't want any other substitute to a close relationship with them. John 17:3 The fact that we would know God so personally is eternal life, and we wouldn't want it any other way. There are a few definitions of sin, but it basically comes down to not doing God's will. If we can see and talk to him face-to-face everyday, God's will for us would be plain.
  2. There would be such community in Heaven - no more evil people and no more fear of being hurt by others
  3. The Devil & his cohorts would be in the Lake of Fire
  4. Our bodies would be spiritual, and the sinful flesh is no more
  5. I believe we will have work and hobbies in Heaven too, but the work won't be with toil and sweat.
 
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No. You are a sinner because you are a descendant of Adam after he allowed sin in. Every man is born with the sin nature. That is why you must be born again. Read John 3.

I have come to realize that the fact that the full story of GOD's interaction with man on this earth ending with a heavenly marriage implies that the heavenly marriage was HIS purpose for our creation. It is in the heavenly marriage that HIS GLORY shines forth the strongest and most perfect in relationship with us, NOT in justice nor redemption which are merely aids to bring the marriage to fruition after to our moral stumbles.

HIS plan for all creation was the heavenly marriage.
HIS plan for each of us is the heavenly marriage.
Everything HE has ever done or will ever do conformed to this purpose, this plan, and He has never done anything that would slow this plan down or put it off or side track it in the least!

It implies that ALL of HIS being, all of HIS Sovereignty, all of HIS love, HIS righteousness and HIS nature has just have one perfect focus, to culminate HIS relationship with HIS creation in the heavenly marriage: one plan, one focus.

Therefore:
Our free will is an absolute necessity.
Aside from the fact that GOD cannot create any evil so all sinfulness proves the free will of the sinner, it is also a fact that true love and true marriage can be arrived at only by the free will acceptance of the lover and acceptance of the proposal of marriage by the Bride. GOD is not a Borg willing to have a Stepford wife...

It implies that everyone ever created in HIS image, ie, able to be a proper Bride for HIM, was created perfectly capable and able to become HIS bride, not held back by any imperfection or lack of acceptance by HIM.
Isaiah 43:
7 "whom I created for my glory"
21 the people I formed for myself that they may proclaim my praise.


Ecc 7:29 Only this have I found: I have discovered that God made man upright, but they have sought out many schemes.” Upright: S3477, yashar, straightforward, just, upright: GOD created no one disgustingly corrupt, enslaved to sin and unable to be HIS Bride without HIS intervention.

By their coming into being everyone must have been within HIS plan, not separated from HIM by anything until they decide by their informed free will to reject HIM and HIS plan. HE cannot marry an evil person so why would HE create by any means, any system at all, evil people? It is impossible.

Light cannot create darkness.
A good tree cannot put forth rotten fruit.
A stream of life giving water cannot put forth salt or brackish water.
GOODNESS cannot bring forth evil.
Inherited sin or sin by the will of GOD is anathema.

GOD cannot create evil people by fiat or by putting them into a system whereby they come into existence as sinners! Psalm 5:4 You are not a God who takes pleasure in evil; with you the wicked cannot dwell. I contend that if this Psalm is true, HE would never have created us the evil in Adam for HIS pleasure because HE takes no pleasure in evil.

I contend that GOD WOULD NEVER make us evil by putting us into Adam's sin or sin nature or whatever evil name you want to give to us for becoming conceived and born as human! Light cannot produce dark. Loving righteousness cannot produce evil by any means or system of creation.
 
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And nowhere in Scripture does it say God is triune.
Declarative statements are not required to know the truth of Scripture.
It can be derived from the context of Scripture.

Adam and Eve were created spiritually sinless,
with an immortal body (Genesis 2:17)
that was honorable (not defiled by sin).

That is what our resurrection bodies will be (1 Corinthians 15:42-44), and that is what perfect is.
Scripture does "say" they were created perfect.

Genesis 2:17 refers to the tree of knowledge and the Tree of Life was not taken away until after they ate from the Tree of Knowledge.
Genesis 3:22 refers to the Tree of Life which gave immortality - isn't that what live forever means, (instant healing). Revelation 22:2 tells us that the Tree of Life provides healing
Bible Gateway passage: Revelation 22:2 - King James Version
Revelation 2:7 where Jesus said those that overcometh he will give to eat of the Tree of Life. I agree with those who believe as listed below
Why Would Immortal People Need A Tree Of Life? - Ready4Eternity

What is the Tree of Life?

I NEVER said that the new bodies would not be immortal _ I gave reference to 1 John 3:2
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it do it not yet appear what we shall be: but we shall know that, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

It is no assumption that there are three - the Bible *specifically* speaks of three different entities _ God our Father _ Jesus our Lord God _ and the Holy Spirit, the comforter. Even in the Old Testament ... David gives reference to the Son - he says kiss the Son lest he be angry and another scripture he says the Lord said unto my Lord ... Daniel said that was one in the fiery furnace that had the appearance of the Son of God. And throughout the Old Testament there are references to the Spirit of the Lord came unto someone.

I have to say again there is nowhere in scripture does it say Adam and Eve were created perfect - just like it's nowhere in Scripture that Cain married his sister - now that is an assumption and of teachings of most men throughout generations also.

Different churches teach different theology concerning different matters in Scripture.

I believe as many believe - you have the right to believe as you see certain things in the Bible.

Why Would Immortal People Need A Tree Of Life? - Ready4Eternity

Were Adam And Eve Created Immortal?

A reason atheist give in their disbelief in God because Christians can not agree on what many scriptures mean - and they feel if the Holy Spirit actually existed there would be no division.

God Bless
 
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