How can there be free will in heaven?

[Clare73]

What a blatant and intentional misrepresentation of what I actually said. Is this what your resorting to now? Despicable propagandist tactics? Repentance and believing are works?

There are those who maintain that they are.

I apologize if you are not one of them.

 

[BNR32FAN]

But he did.
The argument of Romans 5:12-15 is:

Sin is transgression of the law (which has death penalty attached), as in Genesis 2:16.
The penalty of sin is physical death (Romans 6:23).
Where there is no law, there is no sin (Romans 4:15, Romans 5:13).
There was no law (with death penalty attached) between Adam and Moses (Romans 5:13).

Actually there was law between Adam & Moses. First of all when God commanded Adam not to eat from the tree of knowledge that was a law. Second when God spoke to Cain after he killed Able there’s an indication that Cain understood what sim was.

“Then the Lord said to Cain, “Why are you angry? And why has your countenance fallen? If you do well, will not your countenance be lifted up? And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door; and its desire is for you, but you must master it.””
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭4‬:‭6‬-‭7‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

If you notice, when God spoke to Cain, he didn’t seem the least bit surprised. The dialog between God and Cain suggests that God had spoken to Cain before, perhaps many times previously. The dialog between them and Cain’s reaction to it certainly doesn’t suggest that this was the first time God and Cain had spoken to one another. So when God said to Cain “if you do well, will not your countenance be lifted up” it appears to be a rhetorical question as if Cain already knew the answer to it. And the same with God’s statement “and if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door”. By my estimation it would appear that Cain already knew what sin was, hence there were already laws in place and killing his brother was most definitely already a known sin which is why Cain didn’t want to tell God what he had done because he knew it was forbidden. So he lied about it when he said “am I my brother’s keeper” acting as if he didn’t know where Able was. So both the law and sin did exist between Adam & Moses.

 

[BNR32FAN]

There are those who maintain that they are.

I apologize if you are not one of them.

I apologize as well I should’ve responded better than that. Please forgive my accusations against you. I felt attacked when I read it and I shouldn’t have been so quick to retaliate, it was unnecessary and unwarranted.

 

[BNR32FAN]

If you object to imputation of Adam's sin, then you should also object to imputation of Christ's righteousness.

That contrasting parallel of the imputation of Adam's sin and the imputation of Christ's righteousness is drawn in Romans 5:18-19.

That passage contrasts the result of Adam’s sin with the result of Christ’s sacrifice. Again your injecting the notion of imputation into the passage. Yes Christ’s righteousness is imputed upon us, there’s no verses that refute that, but Ezekiel 18:19-20 does refute the imputation of Adam’s sin. Paul never says anything about imputation of sin in this passage. He merely mentioned that the result of Adam’s sin was condemnation for all men. He never said exactly how that condemnation was implemented. Your assuming that it was imputed upon us but Paul never actually said it was.

“The gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned; for on the one hand the judgment arose from one transgression resulting in condemnation, but on the other hand the free gift arose from many transgressions resulting in justification. For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭5‬:‭16‬-‭17‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

You are in disagreement with NT apostolic teaching that they did not sin between Adam and Moses (Romans 5:14).

I already proved that sin did exist between Adam & Moses in post 382 and your still omitting the last half of that verse. Paul didn’t say they didn’t sin, he said they didn’t sin in the likeness of Adam. I already showed you that like 3 posts ago and your still omitting that portion of the verse.

“Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭5‬:‭14‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Yeah nobody sinned in the likeness of Adam except Eve. Afterwards man was cast out of the garden of Eden and angels were placed as guards to keep man out so that he wouldn’t eat from the tree of life and have eternal life. So nobody could eat from the tree of knowledge after Adam’s sin because nobody was allowed in the garden after the fall.

By that reasoning, the last half of Ezekiel 18:20--"the righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to him," is also incorrect. . .according to 2 Corinthians 5:21; 1 Corinthians 1:30; Philippians 3:9; Genesis 15:6; Romans 1:17, Romans 3:21, Romans 4:3, Romans 5:19, where it is credited to others.

Are you saying that the righteousness of Christ was not accredited to Him?