How can there be free will in heaven?

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Original sin as it was and the understanding of what sin is so that we may reverse what happened in the Garden.

Jesus did that!

 

[timothyu]

He IS the way! He IS the door! No man can come to our Father but by Him!

Because He did what was expected of Him, to put only the will of the Father first. He had much will to follow but He gave us only two commandments, Put the Father's will first, thus loving all as self. Inthe same way He said truth comes only from God and not from man, hence that would be the foundation His church was built upon.

 

[timothyu]

Jesus did that!

Then why command us to change/repent?

 

[timothyu]

You must be born again. For it is the Holy Spirit who works in you to will and to do His pleasure.

Certainly, by rejecting the backwards ways of man in favour of the will of God. 'Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth as it is in Heaven'.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Certainly, by rejecting the backwards ways of man in favour of the will of God. 'Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth as it is in Heaven'.

By the Holy Spirit. The work/will of God is this,
John 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

 

[timothyu]

By the Holy Spirit. The work/will of God is this,
John 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

And if you believe, you will follow the two commandments Jesus gave to us.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

Once we first come to understand what it is and why it is a problem

sin is sin no matter whether we undstand that it is sin or not sin

 

[timothyu]

sin is sin no matter whether we undstand that it is sin or not sin

How can you repent/change if you don't know what it is you repent of?

 

[Jonaitis]

There can be free-will in Heaven if our desire is God rather than ourselves.

*Calvinism*

 

[Clare73]

Original sin as it was and the understanding of what sin is so that
we may reverse what happened in the Garden.

Nothing reverses what happened in the Garden.

It can only be remedied.
And we don't do that, God does.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

until our Father gave the law through Moses.

Not so the story of Cain and Abel tells us that the cerimonial law was in place as offerings were brought to the LORD

before the Sin Eve Committed satan and a third of the angles sinned
Isaiah 14:12-15
King James Version

12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

1 John 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.


No Law no sin

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

And if you believe, you will follow the two commandments Jesus gave to us.

You can't do it without the indwelling Holy Spirit in you. There are believers who do not have the Holy Spirit indwelling them because the importance of it is rarely taught. In Acts there were believers who did not even know there WAS the Holy Spirit when they were asked if they had received Him.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

How can you repent/change if you don't know what it is you repent of?

who is going to repent unless they understand that they have sinned and need a savior Jesus Christ

 

[Clare73]

Not so the story of Cain and Abel tells us that the cerimonial law was in place as offerings were brought to the LORD

The Mosaic laws of sacrifice were not in place until God gave them at Sinai.

There was no legislation in place carrying the death penalty (as did the law in the Garden and the Mosaic law) from Adam to Moses and, therefore, no sin against legislation as the cause of death from the Garden to Moses.

 

[BOW2me]

There is no such thing as "freewill". It is a hoax, a lie of Satan.

(Mat 12:36 KJV) But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

(Rom 6:16 KJV) Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
(Rom 6:17 KJV) But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
(Rom 6:18 KJV) Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

Christians will is to be subject to be within God's will.

(Jas 4:14 KJV) Whereas ye know not what [shall be] on the morrow. For what [is] your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away.
(Jas 4:15 KJV) For that ye [ought] to say, If the Lord will, we shall live, and do this, or that.
(Jas 4:16 KJV) But now ye rejoice in your boastings: all such rejoicing is evil.

My moto: Neither condone what God condemns nor condemn what God condones.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Not so the story of Cain and Abel tells us that the cerimonial law was in place as offerings were brought to the LORD

before the Sin Eve Committed satan and a third of the angles sinned
Isaiah 14:12-15
King James Version

12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

1 John 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.


No Law no sin

I said sin and death reigned until the Law was given through Moses. THEN, sin could be atoned for through the animal sacrifice system. Jesus, the Lamb of God is the final sacrifice for remission of sin.

 

[timothyu]

who is going to repent unless they understand that they have sinned and need a savior Jesus Christ

Who is going to repent unless they know what of and understand why it is worthy of repentance in favour of what replaces it?

 

[Original Happy Camper]

The Mosaic laws of sacrifice were not in place until God gave them at Sinai.

There was no legislation in place carrying the death penalty (as did the law in the Garden and the Mosaic law) from Adam to Moses and, therefore, no sin against legislation as the cause of death from the Garden to Moses.

so how did cain and able know to bring a sacrifice to the LORD?

 

[Original Happy Camper]

sin could be atoned for through the animal sacrifice system

Agreed and Able knew this

 

[Clare73]

so had did cain and able know to bring a sacrifice to the LORD?

God giving them personal instruction is not the same as promulgated legislation/law, carrying the death penalty for violation, as was the law in the Garden and the law given at Sinai for a complete sacrificial system.