How can there be free will in heaven?

[Handmaid for Jesus]

So, prior to death, we should reach the point of sinless perfection? So we can maintain it for the rest of eternity?

Do you understand what happens in the New Birth? The scriptures tell us that when we are in Christ we are new creatures. The Holy Spirit indwelling us makes us new,like Adam before he fell. We are given the nature of Christ by grace through faith in the finished work of Lord Jesus on the cross.Our mortal bodies in the resurrection/rapture will be changed into the immortal body, not like Adam, but like Jesus's resurrected body.

 

[TedT]

He did not create them evil
They choose to be evil,
It is called free will which all the angelical host and man kind have

...so you believe that you are created innocent and chose to be evil?

 

[timothyu]

The scriptures tell us that when we are in Christ we are new creatures. The Holy Spirit indwelling us makes us new,like Adam before he fell.

So we understand we are extensions of God, not separate and self serving?

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

So we understand we are extensions of God, not separate and self serving?

Is your child an extension of you?

 

[TedT]

Can you please explain your statement in light of Deuteronomy 23:2 No one born of a forbidden marriage nor any of their descendants may enter the assembly of the LORD, not even in the tenth generation.

How is it that the illegitimate child pays for the sins of the parents?

The same way everyone who choses to sin is heir to the judgements upon their sinful parents (not their sin) when sown into mankind in response to their own choosing sin.

 

[timothyu]

Is your child an extension of you?

Yes both genetically and of my will although being an imperfect human, subject to self identity

 

[Clare73]

I said *A* reason - correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't / couldn't that mean one of many? At the current time I am on Reddit an atheist site which wants to discuss and debate with Christians, so I know it's not that simple.

The NT gives the simple reason for unbelief in John 3:5; i.e., lack of new birth.

 

[Blade]

What is stopping another fall? Why are Christians promised ETERNAL life if God is just going to recreate everything and give us bodies like Adam and Eve had? To me it makes no sense that you can have free will over God's sovereignty because what is stopping another human being, angel, or other created being from wanting power? If our will is free in the Arminian sense, there is NOTHING stopping another fall because Adam and Eve were created perfect as well. The only reason they were allowed to sin was because God decreed it. God decrees no sin forever, than there will be no more sin forever.

Well sin was found in Satan and theres a reason it was and not in any others. Satan was not just a reg so to speak angel. Now who after seeing all this play out who would want to do it again? You leave God so your no longer in His presence. Yeah everything God is that peace joy love warmth all gone. Then witnessing all this happening on the earth. See the thoughts you ask are not of God. No one in heaven would ever think that. There is no free will to sin or not sin in heaven. There is no sin in heaven.

The moment we pass this life and into heaven we see which we can't now nor fully understand. This is because of the fall and Satan being the god of this world. This why after all this Satan will show up and everyone will say "this is he that did all this and deceived the nations?".

 

[TedT]

C'mon, Adam! Why? Just why???

ImCo...
To trim down a longer and more complicated bit of theology he followed Eve into sin for love for her and while he would not follow the serpent in his fight with YHWH, he did not trust GOD enough with his loved one and so decided to join her in the consequences of her rebellion against GOD in support of the serpent.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Yes both genetically and of my will although being an imperfect human, subject to self identity

When you are born of the Spirit of God, you become His child. It is the Holy Spirit indwelling your body that makes it so. The flesh is dead because of sin. Read and understand Romans 8.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

...so you believe that you are created innocent and chose to be evil?

We are born with a sinful nature and it our choice to sin or not

 

[timothyu]

The NT gives the simple reason for unbelief in John 3:5; i.e., lack of new birth.

Wouldn't unbelief be a result rather than a reason?

 

[timothyu]

We are born with a sinful nature and it our choice to sin or not

Once we first come to understand what it is and why it is a problem

 

[Clare73]

Wouldn't unbelief be a result rather than a reason?

Can the reason for something (unbelief) not be the result of something else (no new birth)?

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Once we first come to understand what it is and why it is a problem

NOOOO! Please understand.First thing you need to know is, since the fall of man, sin and death reigned until our Father gave the law through Moses. The law was given to teach what sin is. Now when Jesus came, He fulfilled all of the law by taking on the sin of the whole world. Through grace through faith in this work, mankind can be saved.

 

[timothyu]

Can the reason for something (unbelief) not be the result of something else (no new birth)?

How does that related to what happened in the Garden?

 

[timothyu]

The law was given to teach what sin is.

Putting our will ahead of God's. How putting self wants before other's needs is the downfall of man. Jesus merely open a door to the Kingdom by doing only the will of the Father. He showed the way. The original church lived the way. It is still up to us to chose and if choosing rightly, then repentance has occurred. Repentance was/is a command that shows we cannot live by the idea we need do nothing. We couldn't create a kingdom or save ourselves, true, but we must still understand and change our priorities.

 

[Clare73]

How does that related to what happened in the Garden?

I'm talking about the reason for unbelief today. . .what are you talking about?

You got too many irons in the fire?

 

[timothyu]

I'm talking about the reason for unbelief today. . .what are you talking about?

Original sin as it was and the understanding of what sin is so that we may reverse what happened in the Garden.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Jesus merely open a door to the Kingdom by doing only the will of the Father.

Merely?

He showed the way.

He IS the way! He IS the door! No man can come to our Father but by Him!

Repentance was/is a command that shows we cannot live by the idea we need do nothing. We couldn't create a kingdom or save ourselves, true, but we must still understand and change our priorities.

You must be born again. For it is the Holy Spirit who works in you to will and to do His pleasure.