How can the grace of God be resisted by some yet received by others?

bottomofsandal · Oct 26, 2016

EmSw said:
Are you through with your ranting and raving?

Why stop proclaiming God's Gospel of Grace? Does it weary you?

Do you prefer to chirp about the mighty accomplishments of man?

You keep trying to persuade us manmade humility equals grace.

Like Paul we are called by His grace (Galatians 1:15)

We don't call ourself. We don't give ourselves grace by humbling ourselves.

We are not good. We are not sinless. We are not holy. Not without God's grace.

Every denomination has a creed, confession, or catechism.

Salvation is always by grace, given of God, from God-

Nowhere, no faith belief advocates internal activation of grace by man himself.

yeshuaslavejeff · Oct 26, 2016

bottomofsandal said:
Like Paul we are called by His grace (Galatians 1:15)
We don't call ourself. We don't give ourselves grace by humbling ourselves.
We are not good. We are not sinless. We are not holy. Not without God's grace.
Every denomination has a creed, confession, or catechism.
Salvation is always by grace, given of God, from God-
Nowhere, no faith belief advocates internal activation of grace by man himself.

"We" ? We humans? We americans? We men? We who ?

EmSw · Oct 26, 2016

bottomofsandal said:
Why stop proclaiming God's Gospel of Grace? Does it weary you?

Do you prefer to chirp about the mighty accomplishments of man?

You keep trying to persuade us manmade humility equals grace.

Like Paul we are called by His grace (Galatians 1:15)

We don't call ourself. We don't give ourselves grace by humbling ourselves.

We are not good. We are not sinless. We are not holy. Not without God's grace.

Every denomination has a creed, confession, or catechism.

Salvation is always by grace, given of God, from God-

Nowhere, no faith belief advocates internal activation of grace by man himself.

He is calling you by grace now. How long will you wait to willingly 'come' to Him?

Thursday · Oct 26, 2016

bottomofsandal said:
Is the grace of God irresistible as the "I" in TULIP proclaims?

What enables some men to receive the grace of God unto salvation?

OTOH, what prevents some men from receiving God's grace?

We have free will. God's grace enables us to follow his will, but it does not force us to.

This freedom is necessary because God wants our love. Love can only be given voluntarily.

bottomofsandal · Oct 26, 2016

Thursday said:
We have free will. God's grace enables us to follow his will, but it does not force us to.

This freedom is necessary because God wants our love. Love can only be given voluntarily.

Welcome to the thread!

Why did we not resist God's grace whereas others did resist?

What made us more receptive to grace and why did grace work in us and not others?

Thursday · Oct 26, 2016

bottomofsandal said:
Welcome to the thread!

Why did we not resist God's grace whereas others did resist?

What made us more receptive to grace and why did grace work in us and not others?

We are free to choose. Some may resist at first but then later accept and cooperate with God's grace. Others may accept God's grace but then choose to ignore God's will.

God gives each of us sufficient grace. He also gives us plenty of warnings about what happens to those who reject his will.

bottomofsandal · Oct 26, 2016

Thursday said:
We are free to choose. Some may resist at first but then later accept and cooperate with God's grace. Others may accept God's grace but then choose to ignore God's will.

God gives each of us sufficient grace. He also gives us plenty of warnings about what happens to those who reject his will.

Interesting added option you have included: accepted grace, yet ignoring God's will

I don't want to put words in your mouth, but the notion of all men beginning with enough grace to choose Christ is somewhat compelling and worthy of consideration. Since God has set eternity in the heart of man and nature is evidence of God, man must suppress the knowledge of the truth. Wesley spoke of prevenient grace. Is the Wesley-Arminianism position on salvation in any way aligned with Catholicism?

Cooperation is often an unpopular word in discussions on salvation. Cooperation with choice, initiated by grace, and with grace as the catalyst for a right choice is imperative. These essential ingredients allow man to choose, keeping the will engaged while the will freely chooses Christ, albeit persuaded by grace. Is cooperation simply another way to describe synergism compared to monergism?

shakewell · Oct 27, 2016

bottomofsandal said:
Is the grace of God irresistible as the "I" in TULIP proclaims?

No.

bottomofsandal said:
What enables some men to receive the grace of God unto salvation?

Creation. The ability to receive God's grace is part of our human makeup.

bottomofsandal said:
OTOH, what prevents some men from receiving God's grace?

They prevent themselves.

com7fy8 · Oct 27, 2016

bottomofsandal said:
OTOH, what prevents some men from receiving God's grace?

We can make gestures to ourselves, that we are choosing God, but doing this only in our own ability.

2 Corinthians 3:5

Romans 9:16

John 6:65

ToBeLoved · Oct 27, 2016

com7fy8 said:
We can make gestures to ourselves, that we are choosing God, but doing this only in our own ability.

2 Corinthians 3:5

Romans 9:16

John 6:65

Why do we or even should we pray if God has predetermined the beginning from the end?

Did not Jesus Himself teach us how to pray?

This is such silly doctrine.

ToBeLoved · Oct 27, 2016

bottomofsandal said:
Welcome to the thread!

Why did we not resist God's grace whereas others did resist?

What made us more receptive to grace and why did grace work in us and not others?

Why not all of God's children obedient then? God gives us His indwelling Holy Spirit but then does not predestine His Children to obedience? Walking with God? Walking in the Spirit?

yeshuaslavejeff · Oct 27, 2016

com7fy8 said:
We can make gestures to ourselves, that we are choosing God, but doing this only in our own ability.

This is called world religion.
Reaching to a god, but not HIS[the CREATOR'S WAY].

ToBeLoved · Oct 27, 2016

Thursday said:
We have free will. God's grace enables us to follow his will, but it does not force us to.

This freedom is necessary because God wants our love. Love can only be given voluntarily.

ToBeLoved · Oct 27, 2016

shakewell said:
Creation. The ability to receive God's grace is part of our human makeup.

Could you explain this a little more? How is this so? Include scripture if pertinent please.

yeshuaslavejeff · Oct 27, 2016

ToBeLoved said:
Why not all of God's children obedient then?

Rebellion, lack of faith, hypocrisy, tares, sons of disobedience, whitewashed tombs, actors on the stage of life, deceived,
proud, selfish, "eye is dark",
so many different descriptions in God's Word... for the lost.

com7fy8 · Oct 27, 2016

ToBeLoved said:
Why do we or even should we pray if God has predetermined the beginning from the end?

Because in love we communicate, even though the outcome of our love relationship is certain

ToBeLoved · Oct 27, 2016

bottomofsandal said:
Why stop proclaiming God's Gospel of Grace? Does it weary you?

Do you prefer to chirp about the mighty accomplishments of man?

You keep trying to persuade us manmade humility equals grace.

Like Paul we are called by His grace (Galatians 1:15)

We don't call ourself. We don't give ourselves grace by humbling ourselves.

We are not good. We are not sinless. We are not holy. Not without God's grace.

Every denomination has a creed, confession, or catechism.

Salvation is always by grace, given of God, from God-

Nowhere, no faith belief advocates internal activation of grace by man himself.

Just to clarify, are you preaching salvation by grace or Calvinism?

Contrary to popular Calvinsistic beliefs, those who do not believe in Calvinism also preach grace by faith.

What it sounds like above is salvation by grace with a lot of Calvinism thrown in, so I think salvation by grace seems to me to be a secondary thought to preaching Calvinism?

Or am I wrong?

com7fy8 · Oct 27, 2016

ToBeLoved said:
What it sounds like above is salvation by grace with a lot of Calvinism thrown in, so I think salvation by grace seems to me to be a secondary thought to preaching Calvinism?

I don't know any Calvinists well enough to be able to speak for them, but I did hear that John Calvin said God's grace is "irresistible".

One can say "irresistible" means His grace is almighty to unstoppably work in a person (Philippians 2:13) to get the person to choose Jesus.

Another could say "irresistible" means His grace of His love is so beautifully wonderful that no one could want to resist Him.

or both

But I did not personally know John so I could know what he really was experiencing grace to be . . . or wasn't experiencing.

ToBeLoved · Oct 27, 2016

yeshuaslavejeff said:
Rebellion, lack of faith, hypocrisy, tares, sons of disobedience, whitewashed tombs, actors on the stage of life, deceived,
proud, selfish, "eye is dark",
so many different descriptions in God's Word... for the lost.

I asked why are not God's Children obedient then. God's Children delineate that they are saved Children of God. God is their master.

I am not talking about unsaved people here.

ToBeLoved · Oct 27, 2016

com7fy8 said:
I don't know any Calvinists well enough to be able to speak for them, but I did hear that John Calvin said God's grace is "irresistible".

One can say "irresistible" means His grace is almighty to unstoppably work in a person (Philippians 2:13) to get the person to choose Jesus.

Another could say "irresistible" means His grace of His love is so beautifully wonderful that no one could want to resist Him.

or both

But I did not personally know John so I could know what he really was experiencing grace to be . . . or wasn't experiencing.

Well, Calvinism is pretty clear. Irresistable is NOT being able to resist. They believe that we are overpowered by the Holy Spirit and regenerated by the Holy Spirit before faith. This being overpowered by the Holy Spirit and regeneration is what brings one to faith.

You may want to familiarize yourself a little with their understanding. You will run across many of them here and it's easier when you know their lingo.

God bless.

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