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Good! and the son was in a lost state at the time?Sure, there can be multiple lessons in a parable or a passage.
The thread is about grace; and the prodigal son in Luke 15 clearly exemplifies God's grace and mercy.
God is running towards His wayward, backslidden son, eager to forgive, extend mercy, by His grace.
No one that I know of is unaware of these passages.Earlier, I wrote about taking up our cross and following Jesus.
It is by our cross that we kill, put out of the way entirely, render useless, and lose our old, unregenerate life. Now we see what else Jesus said about our cross.
Matthew 10:38
And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
Luke 9:23
And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
Luke 14:27
And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.
We now see what else Jesus said about bearing our cross. If one does not bear his own cross and come after Jesus, he cannot be His disciple. Also, if one does not bear and take up his cross and follow Jesus, he is not worthy of Jesus.
Strong's says this about 'worthy' -
Worthy is a very serious word. If one does not take up his cross and follow Jesus, he is not worthy, that is, doesn't have any weight of like value; he has not merited anything worthy of Jesus.
- weighing, having weight, having the weight of another thing of like value, worth as much
- befitting, congruous, corresponding to a thing
- of one who has merited anything worthy
- both in a good and a bad sense
No one that I know of is unaware of these passages.
No one that I know of (including Calvinsts) fail to include these passages in their theology.
I guess I don't see your point.
There is NO point in a thread about grace!No one that I know of is unaware of these passages.
No one that I know of (including Calvinsts) fail to include these passages in their theology.
I guess I don't see your point.
How is this accomplished without grace?It's not enough to just know of them and include them in one's theology. One must act upon them. One must live according to his beliefs. One must find the narrow path and enter the narrow gate which leads to life, but few will find it.
Matthew 7
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Luke 13
24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
One must strive to enter the narrow gate. Jesus told us many will seek to enter and not be able.
How is this accomplished without grace?
Are unsaved men resisting the grace that will lead to Christ?
You are conflating grace with the teachings of Jesus.You resist the teachings of Jesus, you resist grace, saved or unsaved.
You are conflating grace with the teachings of Jesus.
The teachings are the teachings with or without grace.
You seem to being saying grace is unnecessary for understanding.
How does one obtain ears to hear?
Why would God's enemies be interested in God's Word?
Where is grace and what does it accomplish in your salvation model?
Or what ???????...........One must act upon them. One must live according to his beliefs. One must find the narrow path and enter the narrow gate which leads to life.......
Like I said - no one disagrees with what you say about any of this. But again I ask you, "What is your point?"Jesus told us many will seek to enter and not be able.
All of humanity in the fallen state resist God to a certain extent. That includes you and me.You resist the teachings of Jesus, you resist grace, saved or unsaved.
Or what ???????
Like I said - no one disagrees with what you say about any of this. But again I ask you, "What is your point?"
Out with it. Be specific.
All of humanity in the fallen state resist God to a certain extent. That includes you and me.
The "I" in T.U.L.I.P. (which is the concern of the O.P.) has to do with the elect of God not being able to ultimately resist the effectual call of God.
It has nothing to do with resisting God in a day to day way - whether we are talking about an unsaved person in general or a saved person during the sanctification process of life after their becoming a new creature.
There is NO point in a thread about grace!
Is grace mentioned in the post? No. Why?
What appears to be the emphasis (yet AGAIN) is man working by his might.
A graceless salvation is not salvation. John 15 says saved men will bear fruit.
We all agree with you.They won't find the narrow path which leads to life....................
If you don't seek to find the path which leads to life, you are resisting Him and His word.
Jesus didn't say what? That doesn't make any sense.Jesus said nothing of the sort.
Of course I know that the T.U.L.I.P. acronym was created by men to represent different doctrines supposedly taught in the Bible.This is a man-made doctrine. And you know it.
What I approached you with is how your obvious teaching about discipleship shed light on the question at hand. Everyone agrees with what it takes to truly make the Lord Lord of our lives. Again - so what?Is the grace of God irresistible as the "I" in TULIP proclaims?
Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding something. I did jump back in without reading every post posted since my last participation.If one resists the grace of Jesus, you are correct, there is no salvation.
John 6, a great verse teaches that all God have given to Christ come to Christ == Election , predestination, those He foreknew in His love, and the other half after we come to Him, we have eternal salvation that is not undone by any thing in all of God's creation.We all agree with you.
I just thought that you had an additional point to make by stating the obvious.
Jesus didn't say what? That doesn't make any sense.
Of course I know that the T.U.L.I.P. acronym was created by men to represent different doctrines supposedly taught in the Bible.
The question which the O.P. poses is essentially whether the "I" in T.U.L.I.P. is indeed a doctrine which represents what the Bible actually teaches.
What I approached you with is how your obvious teaching about discipleship shed light on the question at hand. Everyone agrees with what it takes to truly make the Lord Lord of our lives. Again - so what?
It seems that you are trying to be quick witted again rather than just answer the question.
If you won't answer a simple question about one of your posts - that's fine. You can talk to others.
Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding something. I did jump back in without reading every post posted since my last participation.
Does someone you are talking with believe that people can't resist the grace of the Lord within them leading them through the sanctification process? If so - they are wrong about that. I - for instance - am rather ashamedly famous for my resistance over the last 59 years since being born again.
But since we are supposedly talking about the "I" in T.U.L.I.P. - we are supposedly talking about the effectual calling of the elect being irresistible.
The Lord couldn't have been more clear about that - now could He?
The most obvious statement from the Lord on that particular doctrine follows.
""All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out." John 6:37
Obviously I agree with your position on this.John 6, a great verse teaches that all God have given to Christ come to Christ == Election , predestination, those He foreknew in His love, and the other half after we come to Him, we have eternal salvation that is not undone by any thing in all of God's creation.........................
We all agree with you.
I just thought that you had an additional point to make by stating the obvious.
Jesus didn't say what? That doesn't make any sense.
Of course I know that the T.U.L.I.P. acronym was created by men to represent different doctrines supposedly taught in the Bible.
The question which the O.P. poses is essentially whether the "I" in T.U.L.I.P. is indeed a doctrine which represents what the Bible actually teaches.
What I approached you with is how your obvious teaching about discipleship shed light on the question at hand. Everyone agrees with what it takes to truly make the Lord Lord of our lives. Again - so what?
It seems that you are trying to be quick witted again rather than just answer the question.
If you won't answer a simple question about one of your posts - that's fine. You can talk to others.
Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding something. I did jump back in without reading every post posted since my last participation.
Does someone you are talking with believe that people can't resist the grace of the Lord within them leading them through the sanctification process? If so - they are wrong about that. I - for instance - am rather ashamedly famous for my resistance over the last 59 years since being born again.
But since we are supposedly talking about the "I" in T.U.L.I.P. - we are supposedly talking about the effectual calling of the elect being irresistible.
The Lord couldn't have been more clear about that - now could He?
The most obvious statement from the Lord on that particular doctrine follows.
""All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out." John 6:37
Of course we can resist the grace of God. To argue against that is ridiculous for Calvinists and Arminians alike.
The most obvious statement from the Lord on that particular doctrine follows.
""All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out." John 6:37
That's just the opposite of what it says..........Those that did go God will give to Christ
No one said that they were randomly selected individuals.................but they are not just random arbitrary individuals, but are those that accepted God’s invitation..........You seem to be equating “Father gives me…” with the Father arbitrarily selects some.
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