So you are the one who saves yourself. God is clearly not needed for your salvation.
Shall we make a shrine to the greatness of your choice or should we wait to see if you choose something else on a whim later in the day?
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So you are the one who saves yourself. God is clearly not needed for your salvation.YES!
LOL, You just can't believe. You keep moving goal posts around everytime your viewpoint is proved wrong. Your desperation to find a loophole out of God's choice and predestination is starting to make me laugh out loud. You are a funny person.
So you are the one who saves yourself. God is clearly not needed for your salvation.
Shall we make a shrine to the greatness of your choice or should we wait to see if you choose something else on a whim later in the day?
Jesus is God. Jesus tells you about predestination in Ephesians 1 through his servant Paul.Since you seem like a pillar of Calvinism, perhaps you can show us where Jesus mentioned predestination.
This, right here, shows your misunderstanding.
You realize, of course, that Calvin did not have a five point system. That was added later by followers in Holland. The five points you allude to are all logically connected. Take one out and the entire argument is moot. Therefore, there is no such thing as a 4 point Calvinist.
The issue is really about what the Bible teaches, not one reformer. What does God's word teach? We have provided passage after passage that you ignore. If you choose ignorance, then so be it.
Jesus is God. Jesus tells you about predestination in Ephesians 1 through his servant Paul.
What you read about Jesus in the gospels comes from Jesus servants Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.
You are treating God's word with disrespect in your attempts to argue a heretical view, which Augustine dismantled when he argued with Pelagius.
LOL, You just can't believe. You keep moving goal posts around everytime your viewpoint is proved wrong. Your desperation to find a loophole out of God's choice and predestination is starting to make me laugh out loud. You are a funny person.
I am a Christian who, like Augustine, Calvin and millions of others, reads the Bible and let's the Bible speak for itself. I do not impose my philosophy (which free will is) upon the text. I let the text impose it's authority on my heart.You mean the Catholic theologian which Calvinists say are wrong? Are you a closet Catholic?
You have to take that issue up with God since it is God who has shared the message of predestination.I don't think it's funny. Listen to what Jesus told the Pharisees -
Matthew 23:13
But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men:
This is exactly what predestination does, it shuts up the kingdom of heaven against men.
Are you stating that God is held to time or are you asking if God is held to time?So God is held to time. Please include your scriptural reference...........
It does not prove that God is not omniscient.So how does this prove that God is not Omniscient?
Once again, a non sequitur. I think that's your go to when you can't refute.Okay, I say there are saved Calvinists and unsaved Calvinists.
Wow, you can make up any doctrine when you make up words for the Bible.
Do you believe in the Trinity?So you can't. That's what I figured.
It went well - although I don't have clear vision in my left eye yet, I hope to have it soon.Hello Marvin. How did your surgery go? I pray everything is okay.
It's in the same chapter where He mentions the Trinity.Since you seem like a pillar of Calvinism, perhaps you can show us where Jesus mentioned predestination.
And the challenge is still there, if you care to take it.The question wasn't if I can save myself, but whether I can choose what to believe. Buy a program and follow along.
Then what are you disagreeing with? I said God is not held to time and that God is Omniscient.Are you stating that God is held to time or are you asking if God is held to time?
Either way - God is not held to time.
God fills the heavens and the earth - the so called space time continuum.
But God is not only immanent - in this case present in the created universe. God is also transcendent in this case outside of the created universe.
He is not only in time as we experience it - He is outside of time as we experience it.
God - in His essence - apparently doesn't experience time exactly as we do. But the scriptures show that He does experience time both before the creation of this universe as well as in the "ages" to come.
There is time in the present Heaven and the present universe and there will be time in the future Heaven and the new universe.
It does not prove that God is not omniscient.
God is omniscient.
He knows, always has known, and always will know everything possible, actualized, and to be actualized by Him in the future through His creative power and His omnipresent, providential control of all things created.
You have to take that issue up with God since it is God who has shared the message of predestination.
Um...universalism isn't allowed here.Since God does not shut up the kingdom of heaven against man, predestination to life and foreordination to condemnation are not of God.
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