So God is held to time. Please include your scriptural reference.
om·ni·pres·ent
ˌämnəˈpreznt/
adjective
adjective: omnipresent
(of God) present everywhere at the same time
So how does this prove that God is not Omniscient?
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om·ni·pres·ent
ˌämnəˈpreznt/
adjective
adjective: omnipresent
(of God) present everywhere at the same time
So how does this prove that God is not Omniscient?
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Aren't you claiming to know so much about Calvinism? If not, then I'll explain it to you.
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Which post? I must have missed it, although I've been waiting for it, so I'm not sure I could have missed it.
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I am claiming to know the major points of Calvinism. What point Calvinist are you? Not all Calvinist even agree.
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Not all of any group agree on everything. So that's not an argument.
But since effectual calling is major point, you should know about it. But I'll explain it if you'd like.
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We all should agree that there's a general call. That's when the gospel is proclaimed.
But the effectual call is what the sheep hear. Evidence of this is in John 10 when Jesus talks about His sheep hearing His voice, and the Pharisees not believing because they aren't His sheep. The parable of the sower and seeds bears this out because only the soil prepared bore fruit.
But the clearest picture is Romans 8:30. We see that those who are predestined to be confirmed to the image of Christ are the only ones called in an effective way. We know this because it says that those who are called are justified. If the "called" in Romans 8:30 referred to all of those who hear the gospel, then everyone who heard the gospel would be saved because they would be justified.
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We all should agree that there's a general call. That's when the gospel is proclaimed.
But the effectual call is what the sheep hear. Evidence of this is in John 10 when Jesus talks about His sheep hearing His voice, and the Pharisees not believing because they aren't His sheep. The parable of the sower and seeds bears this out because only the soil prepared bore fruit.
But the clearest picture is Romans 8:30. We see that those who are predestined to be confirmed to the image of Christ are the only ones called in an effective way. We know this because it says that those who are called are justified. If the "called" in Romans 8:30 referred to all of those who hear the gospel, then everyone who heard the gospel would be saved because they would be justified.
You made up a 'general' call and 'effectual' call.
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No I didn't. I made an argument. You can challenge it if you'd like.
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This, right here, shows your misunderstanding.
You realize, of course, that Calvin did not have a five point system. That was added later by followers in Holland. The five points you allude to are all logically connected. Take one out and the entire argument is moot. Therefore, there is no such thing as a 4 point Calvinist.
The issue is really about what the Bible teaches, not one reformer. What does God's word teach? We have provided passage after passage that you ignore. If you choose ignorance, then so be it.
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LOL, You just can't believe. You keep moving goal posts around everytime your viewpoint is proved wrong. Your desperation to find a loophole out of God's choice and predestination is starting to make me laugh out loud. You are a funny person.
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