How can RCs and Protestants reconcile

[LittleLambofJesus]

I don't have time to go thru this whole thread but I know a post was put up concerning that.......

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7336284
Hundreds of Protestant Clergy Converting to Catholicism. Why?

I found it but don't know if it the same one you are talking about

http://christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=50381319&postcount=18

Originally Posted by chestertonrules

Ex-Pentecostal shares his Catholicism


He began to see that as a pastor, he was missing apostolic succession and a hierarchy that ensured continuity of teachings. It took a two-year journey during which he sought help from other Catholic converts, but after he saw what he needed to do, “it was clear as a bell,” he says.
Jones joined the church in 2000. His wife, family members and 54 of his church’s members followed.

http://www.journalgazette.net/apps/p...AT04/711100376
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[katholikos]

Abberations like this one don't really prove anything one way or the other for the subject we're discussing, though.

I was kinda following through on an earlier thought when I said: "If a major large protestant denomination came back to the Catholic Church, who is to say that its members would not freak out and leave for another protestant denomination?".

I thought that such would likely happen if a large denomiation were to come back, but smaller parishes are more likely to go along with a reconciliation. Thats when I thought of Alex Jones and his parish.

 

[LJSGM]

It was kinda hard not to leave when "the church" started torturing and murdering millions of people.

Do you really blame us?

 

[LJSGM]

The church started in disunity when the twelve Apostles left.

Bring back the twelve Apostles or the Prophets annointed by God himself (and not man), and there just might be unity (for those who would listen to God and obey Him).

I don't, however believe this will happen.

 

[Albion]

I was kinda following through on an earlier thought when I said: "If a major large protestant denomination came back to the Catholic Church, who is to say that its members would not freak out and leave for another protestant denomination?".

I thought that such would likely happen if a large denomiation were to come back, but smaller parishes are more likely to go along with a reconciliation. Thats when I thought of Alex Jones and his parish.

Thanks.

As you can see, though, this particular conversion was basically a one-man affair.

 

[Yarddog]

I recommend the Papal office of the Pope being downgraded to just being a Bishop of equal in Rome.

Personally, You won't find the RCC throwing out anything which has been defined by an Ecumenical council. What you may find is the RCC looking into ways to define things which doesn't contradict past doctrine or allowing the traditions which are in another Church. There wouldn't be full communion but this could cut down on what separates us.

Many times it is not a practise but the way each Church defines them that causes confusion. We can see dialogue can clear this up, somewhat, in the Joint Declaration on Justification between the Lutheran and Catholic Churches.

 

[simonthezealot]

Thanks.

As you can see, though, this particular conversion was basically a one-man affair.

I think this whole bit is a made up affair, every bit of the googling I've done on Maranatha does nothing to show that they are catholic...
I am inclined to feel that this is just more deception on the part of catholic.com

 

[simonthezealot]

Abberations like this one don't really prove anything one way or the other for the subject we're discussing, though.

It's also worth knowing more than just that this congregation voted to join the Roman Catholic Church along with its pastor.

Maranatha Christian Church had 200 members when Rev. Jones began talking about converting to Catholicism. The membership dipped to less than 100. By the time the vote to join the RCC occurred, only 39 members voted "yes." Ultimately 54 went with him.

BUT the congregation doesn't exist as a new Catholic parish, and Rev. Jones is not a pastor anywhere.

Some of the 54 former members of Maranatha returned to being Pentecostals and so joined other Pentecostal churches. Rev. Jones himself works for the Archdiocese of Detroit instead of pastoring. He helps in several Catholic parishes but only as a deacon.

Oops I missed this...
thanks!

 

[Uphill Battle]

yoink. You know what I think when someone has ONE post, and says something like that?

 

[simonthezealot]

 

[simonthezealot]

yoink. You know what I think when someone has ONE post, and says something like that?

I'm squinting trying to figure out who it is, any ideas?

 

[katholikos]

It was kinda hard not to leave when "the church" started torturing and murdering millions of people.

Do you really blame us?

Have you been personally tortured?

No one denies sins of the past. But sins have nothing to do with truth.

The people of God built a golden calf at the foot of Sinai. But they were still the people of God.

 

[Albion]

I recommend the Papal office of the Pope being downgraded to just being a Bishop of equal in Rome.

Personally, You won't find the RCC throwing out anything which has been defined by an Ecumenical council.

and this is the 800 pound gorilla in this argument.

The RCC stepping back from Papal Supremacy and Infallibility is an essential in any possible reunification involving major portions of the rest of the Christian world....but it can't happen without the Roman Church backtracking on a doctrinal matter it says was infallible in itself!

We are not going to live to see any major reunifications, but if significant ones come involving reformed Christian churches, it's a question whether they will go to EO rather than to the RCC. Doctrinally, Eastern Orthodoxy is more like Protestantism than the Roman Church is, but it's less interested.

 

[sunlover1]

yoink. You know what I think when someone has ONE post, and says something like that?

What else could ya think?

I'm squinting trying to figure out who it is, any ideas?

It's not me, i promise... other than that, too early to tell.

 

[LJSGM]

No one denies sins of the past. But sins have nothing to do with truth.

It has everything to do with truth.

Haven't you read your bible.

You tell a tree by it's fruit.

Your claims of being "the church" fall down short then.

For a good tree can not bear bad fruit.

As Jesus says.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Have you been personally tortured?

No one denies sins of the past. But sins have nothing to do with truth.

The people of God built a golden calf at the foot of Sinai. But they were still the people of God.

It was all prophecied

Matt 23:34 "Because of this behold! I am Commissioning/apostellw <649> toward ye Prophets and Wise-men and Scribes, out of them ye shall be Killing/apokteneite <615> (5692) and ye shall be Crucifying and out of them ye shall be scourging in the Synagogues of ye and ye shall be persecuting/persuing from city into city" [Future Active 2]

Reve 11:7 `And whenever they should be finishing/teleswsin <5055> (5661) the testimony of them, the beast, the one ascending out of the Abyss, shall be doing with them, battle and shall be conquering them and it shall be Killing/apoktenei <615> (5692) Them [Future Active 3]

 

[squint]

It has everything to do with truth.

Haven't you read your bible.

You tell a tree by it's fruit.

Your claims of being "the church" fall down short then.

For a good tree can not bear bad fruit.

As Jesus says.

Ouch to the RCC, but oh so true!

 

[LJSGM]

What really amazes me is the claim to infallibility, and at the same time admitting that the RCC church failed.

 

[Albion]

What really amazes me is the claim to infallibility, and at the same time admitting that the RCC church failed.

To be fair, the infallibility claims only apply to doctrine, not to every policy decision such as the Inquisitions, the Crusades, whether or not priests are permitted to marry, etc.

 

[CaliforniaJosiah]

Considering the amount of thread on denominations and Catholacism, what can be done within Christianity to reconcile the main 3 sects of Christianity, primarily Orthodox, RC and Protestant.

... by all others accepting, with docility, all 2,865 points of the latest edition of the Catholic Catechism and the "vicarious" and infallible authority of the Bishop of Rome.



I shared this before. But consider IF we ever could get to the point of a true Ecumenical Council (the first since the 8th century). Here's how I'm very certain it would go.....

Perhaps all would agree to meet in Vancouver, BC, Canada. The representatives all arrive and check in, ready for what could be several months of important and God-pleasing meetings for which millions and millions are praying.

The opening worship service is held, lead by an Anglican bishop and with a Baptist giving the message. Voices and hearts are filled with love and faith as they sing "Lift High the Cross."

Then there is a break after the service, a time for tea and cakes - and wonderful Christian fellowship. As Lutheran speaks with Orthodox, Baptist with Anglican, Methodist with Catholic. Smiles, hugs, laughter are evident in ways that fill all with Christian hope....

Finally, the opening session begins. All file in, taking their places where they will be serving, praying, talking, studying perhaps for months. The Reformed/Presbyterian representative serves as the Chair and he calls the meeting to order - immediately all stand and applaud for a steady 2 mintues. The Orthodox representative offers the opening prayer.

Immediately, the Catholic/papal representative demands the floor. He is out of order, but the Chair wishes to begin on an evangelical note and so permits it. The Catholic states: "I'm infallible. When I speak, Jesus speaks. I am the sole authority here, I am the sole voice here, and whatever I teach in matters of faith are correct and if you disagree, you are wrong and a heretic. Does any have any questions?"

A silence falls over the room; you could hear a pin drop. Then the Orthodox representative (still near the podium from the opening prayer) leans over and says, "told 'ya."

The Baptist motions that the Council adjourn. The motion is seconded and passes. And all file out of the room, go back to their rooms, pack, check out and go home.




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