How can RCs and Protestants reconcile

[Uphill Battle]

I've seen that before CJ... but I laughed this time too.

how could it be any other way?

 

[squint]

Immediately, the Catholic/papal representative demands the floor. He is out of order, but the Chair wishes to begin on an evangelical note and so permits it. The Catholic states: "I'm infallible. When I speak, Jesus speaks. I am the sole authority here, I am the sole voice here, and whatever I teach in matters of faith are correct and if you disagree, you are wrong and a heretic. Does any have any questions?"

A silence falls over the room; you could hear a pin drop. Then the Orthodox representative (still near the podium from the opening prayer) leans over and says, "told 'ya."

The Baptist motions that the Council adjourn. The motion is seconded and passes. And all file out of the room, go back to their rooms, pack, check out and go home.

IMMEDIATELY,

Brilliant! True! And it doesn't take a genius to figure out the FACTS that their positions carry in order for their 'system' to reign over others. Their points resemble nearly ZERO of Love to me, even though much of it may resemble being correct. And therein LIES the difficulties in all of these matters. There is the supposedly and presumably correct dissection of the jots and tittles even APART from the law...new jots and tittles were put into place...followed by the CONSTRUCT...followed by the DEMAND TO BOW. And it's not just in the RCC system. It's a predictable provable sickness that comes with the territory.

enjoy!

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[squint]

What really amazes me is the claim to infallibility, and at the same time admitting that the RCC church failed.

What is even more incredible is their system will point to these facts and then CLAIM it is further proof of infallibility!

Nice try...if ya got hair growing out of your eyeballs.

 

[Trento]

It has everything to do with truth.

Haven't you read your bible.

You tell a tree by it's fruit.

Your claims of being "the church" fall down short then.

For a good tree can not bear bad fruit.

As Jesus says.

Though commendation from God is necessary, alone it is not a guarantee of our leaders' fidelity or holiness. For example, even among the twelve apostles Judas "was numbered among us, and was allotted his share in this ministry" and yet "Satan entered into Judas" who then "became a traitor" (Acts 1:17, Luke 22:3, Luke 6:16). When God permits bad shepherds to linger we should follow the path of patience, and sometimes suffering (1st Peter 2:19-23), that Jesus taught concerning such "wicked servants" (Matthew 24:48):

Matthew 23:
2 "The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat [i.e. they are currently the lawful spiritual authorities];
3 so practice and observe whatever they tell you, but not what they do; for they preach, but do not practice." ​

Put differently, our spiritual leaders are spiritual fathers to us (1st Corinthians 4:15, 1st Thessalonians 2:11, Philemon 1:10) and so should they ever become wicked, they should still be given the same respectful restraint and defensive obedience that Scripture commands even for wicked parents. Once God has commended a leader, even should the leader turn evil, God often continues to use such a leader on account of the spiritual office bestowed. For example, besides the example of Judas Iscariot, consider the lesson regarding the wicked high-priest Caiaphus:

John 11:49 But one of them, Caiaphas, who was high priest that year, said to the chief priests and Pharisees, "You know nothing at all;
50 you do not understand that it is expedient for you that one man [Jesus] should die for the people, and that the whole nation should not perish."
51 He did not say this of his own accord, but being high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus should die for the nation, ​

In other words, in the eyes of God the sins of our leaders do not automatically nullify or eject them from their spiritual office.

 

[HandmaidenOfGod]

Considering the amount of thread on denominations and Catholacism, what can be done within Christianity to reconcile the main 3 sects of Christianity, primarily Orthodox, RC and Protestant.
Throw out a few ideas. Thanks

How can the three reconcile? Prayer. And lots of it.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

How can the three reconcile? Prayer. And lots of it.

I have been praying for that for years

http://www.greatsite.com/timeline-english-bible-history/william-tyndale.html

...........Tyndale was betrayed by a friend, Philips, the agent either of Henry or of English ecclesiastics, or possibly of both. Tyndale was arrested and imprisoned in the castle of Vilvoorden for over 500 days of horrible conditions. He was tried for heresy and treason in a ridiculously unfair trial, and convicted.

Tyndale was then strangled and burnt at the stake in the prison yard, Oct. 6, 1536. His last words were, "Lord, open the king of England's eyes." This prayer was answered three years later, in the publication of King Henry VIII’s 1539 English “Great Bible”........

 

[simonthezealot]

How can the three reconcile? Prayer. And lots of it.

Easy throw out denominational labels and then fall under the truth which is taught in reformed theology.

 

[Uphill Battle]

whose reformed theology?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

whose reformed theology?

The theology of JESUS?

Isaiah 43:19 Behold Me! doing a New-thing/02319 chadash now she is sprouting not ye are knowing it/her? Indeed placing in a wilderness a Way, in desolation Rivers.

John 14:6 Is saying to him the Jesus "I AM the Way and the Truth and the Life, no-one is coming toward the Father except thru Me"

 

[simonthezealot]

whose reformed theology?

Jesus
Augustines
Pauls
John Calvins
MINE

The one that properly understands how we are justified in Christ.

 

[squint]

In other words, in the eyes of God the sins of our leaders do not automatically nullify or eject them from their spiritual office.

As predictable as the red sky at morning.

Sailors take warning!

There is only one path to true ecumenism. ONE.

No Law, no system will prevail over loving our neighbors as ourselves. Many make CLAIMS that they are doing this when in FACT they OPENLY DAMN and CONDEMN their neighbors in various GUISES OF DOCTRINES. Sorry. Not love. Not even CLOSE.

IF for example I had to believe in the Trinity to be saved, and to then HAVE to believe that ALL the other people who do not believe in the Trinity are going to be (potentially)damned forever...then my belief, EVEN IF TRUE has merely turned itself on my fellow man to DEVOUR THEM in my own heart.

Nay says the RCC, (or insert ANY denom.) It is to gently correct them. Sure. Call them heretics and sentence them to potentially fry alive forever is now GENTLE persuasion?

I'd submit that those types of constructs not only in the RCC but in ANY GROUP has FORCED damnation of others into BELIEVERS hearts and AS SUCH all doctinal understandings that result in our NOT loving our neighbors as ourselves are in fact FALSE when their logical premises extend to THAT POINT.

But it is also quite NATURAL that those in 'power' use these various sweetly chocolate covered THREATS to maintain and control their GROUPS and to consolidate POWER. Not much different than any common POLITICAL STRUCTURE in our 'worldly' governments. And of course this too started in the RCC when they were openly COMPROMISED by the governments and political powers that infiltrated them. Their system at that point turned into one of CONTROL and DOMINATION and this is the hallmark of ANY compromised system.

So now, we ask, is there any CHANGE for a system of CONTROL and DOMINATION?

Yes. Put those things DOWN and PICK UP Love. The love of most christian belief systems today ARE MAKE BELIEVE LOVE that doesn't represent much of anything TO GODS VERY REAL BOUGHT AND PAID FOR LOVE FOR ALL MANKIND.

Nope. Todays christian religious systems have parceled out His Clothing and taken it away from the people and has replaced it with their DAMNATION, DOMINATION AND CONTROL. And they fight over it like wicked children.

enjoy!

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[Thekla]

So how does making up cute stories about dialogue between Christians (which don't reflect what actually happens in those dialogues) and then repeating them help the situation ? In fact, it makes real dialogue - which is not necessarily easy, granted - less possible by ingraining bias.

Its part of the problem in GT. We can't have real discussions because every discussion is already polluted by the polluted ground in which the opportunity for discussion occurs.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Hi squint. Do ya mind making the fonts a little smaller on this thread? Reminds me too much of another poster's cut and paste quotes. Thanks

 

[squint]

So how does making up cute stories about dialogue between Christians (which don't reflect what actually happens in those dialogues) and then repeating them help the situation ? In fact, it makes real dialogue - which is not necessarily easy, granted - less possible by ingraining bias.

Its part of the problem in GT. We can't have real discussions because every discussion is already polluted by the polluted ground in which the opportunity for discussion occurs.

But that is EXACTLY what would (and has) happened Thekla. Nothing imaginary about it whatsoever. CJ has stated nearly EXACTLY where the RCC will land on this subject no matter how much SUPER GLOSS HIGH TECH VERBAL POLITICAL WORD WEAPONRY is smeared over it to conceal their FACTS.

They all claim to WANT LOVE...but their SYSTEMS will NOT allow it.

 

[LJSGM]

Though commendation from God is necessary, alone it is not a guarantee of our leaders' fidelity or holiness.

Yes, leaders are annointed by God and not man. The RCC elects it's leaders by vote these days, isn't it? Everyone of the Apostles, including Paul, were hand picked by Jesus himself. This leaves no room for man's imperfections.

For example, even among the twelve apostles Judas "was numbered among us, and was allotted his share in this ministry" and yet "Satan entered into Judas" who then "became a traitor" (Acts 1:17, Luke 22:3, Luke 6:16). When God permits bad shepherds to linger we should follow the path of patience, and sometimes suffering (1st Peter 2:19-23), that Jesus taught concerning such "wicked servants" (Matthew 24:48):

Is that why Jesus gave us all those warnings to watch out for false teachers and false prophets? We are just suppose to tolerate them in church leadership? How strange.

I agree with the path of patience and sometimes suffering for christians in general, but not leaders.

3 so practice and observe whatever they tell you, but not what they do; for they preach, but do not practice."

do what they say, not what they do. Jesus was speaking of hypocrisy.

Put differently, our spiritual leaders are spiritual fathers to us (1st Corinthians 4:15, 1st Thessalonians 2:11, Philemon 1:10) and so should they ever become wicked, they should still be given the same respectful restraint and defensive obedience that Scripture commands even for wicked parents. Once God has commended a leader, even should the leader turn evil, God often continues to use such a leader on account of the spiritual office bestowed. For example, besides the example of Judas Iscariot, consider the lesson regarding the wicked high-priest Caiaphus:

​

John 11:49 But one of them, Caiaphas, who was high priest that year, said to the chief priests and Pharisees, "You know nothing at all;
50 you do not understand that it is expedient for you that one man [Jesus] should die for the people, and that the whole nation should not perish."
51 He did not say this of his own accord, but being high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus should die for the nation,
​

In other words, in the eyes of God the sins of our leaders do not automatically nullify or eject them from their spiritual office.

Ephesians 5:11
Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=56&chapter=5&verse=11&version=31&context=verse

Ephesians 5:11
Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.

Matt 10:26 No then be being afraid of them for is nothing having been covered which not shall be being uncovered and hidden which shall not be being known. 27 Which I am saying to ye in the darkness say ye! in the Light. And which into the ear ye are hearing proclaim ye! on the housetops [Luke 12:3]

 

[squint]

Hi squint. Do ya mind making the fonts a little smaller on this thread? Reminds me too much of another poster's cut and paste quotes. Thanks

I would appreciate if you made yours bigger so I could read them better...

The first complaint that people are led to make when they don't like to hear what someone else has to say is to complain about font size or color content.

The next is to claim some sort of emotional content on the poster based on their own perceptions when there may be little if any at all with the poster.

Eventually it works its way down to calling people heretics


...and to eventually claim that they are demonically possessed.

So you are on the slippery slope lloj...

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I would appreciate if you made yours bigger so I could read them better...

The first complaint that people are led to make when they don't like to hear what someone else has to say is to complain about font size or color content.

The next is to claim some sort of emotional content on the poster based on their own perceptions when there may be little if any at all with the poster.

Eventually it works its way down to calling people heretics


...and to eventually claim that they are demonically possessed.

So you are on the slippery slope lloj...

Yes. I sometimes feel I am trying to climb up a hill covered with ice while barefoot......

 

[Hentenza]

LOL!!!!! The same tired arguments and whines.

It reminds me of what Jesus told the apostles when they asked Him who the greatest apostle is.

Mark 9
33 Then He came to Capernaum. And when He was in the house He asked them, “What was it you disputed among yourselves on the road?” 34 But they kept silent, for on the road they had disputed among themselves who would be the greatest. 35 And He sat down, called the twelve, and said to them, “If anyone desires to be first, he shall be last of all and servant of all.” 36 Then He took a little child and set him in the midst of them. And when He had taken him in His arms, He said to them, 37 “Whoever receives one of these little children in My name receives Me; and whoever receives Me, receives not Me but Him who sent Me.”

I can't wait to see how our actions play out when we get to heaven.

Also, when are we all just going to realize that we are merely at His mercy and what comes out of our mouths is what convicts us?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

LOL!!!!! The same tired arguments and whines.

It reminds me of what Jesus told the apostles when they asked Him who the greatest apostle is.

Mark 9
33 Then He came to Capernaum. And when He was in the house He asked them, “What was it you disputed among yourselves on the road?” 34 But they kept silent, for on the road they had disputed among themselves who would be the greatest. 35 And He sat down, called the twelve, and said to them, “If anyone desires to be first, he shall be last of all and servant of all.” 36 Then He took a little child and set him in the midst of them. And when He had taken him in His arms, He said to them, 37 “Whoever receives one of these little children in My name receives Me; and whoever receives Me, receives not Me but Him who sent Me.”

I can't wait to see how our actions play out when we get to heaven.

Also, when are we all just going to realize that we are merely at His mercy and what comes out of our mouths is what convicts us?

Rotherham) Isaiah 54:17 No instrument formed against thee shall prosper, And every tongue that riseth against thee in judgment, shalt thou prove to be lawless,--This is the inheritance of the servants of Yahweh. And their righteousness is from Me, Declareth Yahweh.