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How can I stop myself being addicted to conspiracies ?

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If someone told me I'd own nothing and be happy during a global crisis from an organization who's board has an American presence I'd be concerned.

And me........ One should be able to see from this just how all the dots do join together. from the fraudulent climate change to King Charles to the black horse in Revelation 6:4.
 
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I am delighted that he is enthusiastic about Jesus.
Dean is, he has so much passion for Jesus & I thank Jesus who has shown me the right path towards finding Dean Odle.

Just after covid 19 I lost all faith in my fellow Christians & the church so I stopped going to Church which led me to online preachers, there were quite a few to choose from but none like Dean who has inspired me more & more to seek out Jesus to the point where I really felt Jesus's presence in my life, there has been many a time where I would sob at the thought of Jesus upon that cross and how he must have suffered to save us sinful lot.
 
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Dean is, he has so much passion for Jesus & I thank Jesus who has shown me the right path towards finding Dean Odle.
I don't doubt that.
My comment was that just because someone has been preaching for a long time that doesn't mean they are always right about everything.

On the matter of a flat earth, if that is what Dean teaches, then he is incorrect.
But it doesn't matter.
The shape of the earth has nothing at all to do with salvation or what someone believes about Jesus. The shape of the earth does NOT mean that someone does not believe God's word. The shape of the earth cannot prevent someone from being filled with God's Holy Spirit, receiving his gifts and becoming a child of God.

The danger is, in fact, that if non-Christians hear flat earth teachings and reject them, they may never get to hear the life-saving teachings about Jesus. They may conclude that "you can't trust Christians/Christians are mad, or ill-informed." I've seen the way some of them have written on the BBC religion boards.

So I'm glad you have found that Dean has helped you in your faith.
He is wrong about flat earth. But flat earth is not the Gospel, so it doesn't matter.
 
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He is wrong about flat earth. But flat earth is not the Gospel, so it doesn't matter.

I don't believe he is but what does it matter ? It doesn't affect our SALVATION, Dean says this too.
 
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And me........ One should be able to see from this just how all the dots do join together. from the fraudulent climate change to King Charles to the black horse in Revelation 6:4.

What do you correlate to the black horse? Did you see them break free earlier this year in London?

~bella
 
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I don't believe he is but what does it matter ? It doesn't affect our SALVATION,
Exactly. I've said this a number of times.
Which is why threads, and arguments about this topic are unimportant and a waste of time.
 
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What do you correlate to the black horse?

~bella

Food will become too expensive to buy.

Revelation 6:5 And when the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, “Come!” Then I looked and saw a black horse, and its rider held in his hand a pair of scales. 6And I heard what sounded like a voice from among the four living creatures, saying, “A quart of wheat for a denarius, and three quarts of barley for a denarius, and do not harm the oil and wine.”…
 
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Food will become too expensive to buy.

Revelation 6:5 And when the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, “Come!” Then I looked and saw a black horse, and its rider held in his hand a pair of scales. 6And I heard what sounded like a voice from among the four living creatures, saying, “A quart of wheat for a denarius, and three quarts of barley for a denarius, and do not harm the oil and wine.”…

Have you considered gardening or homesteading?

~bella
 
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Not true. The speed of light in a vacuum is one of the most well-established quantities, so much so that it is possible to coherently describe other aspects of physics in an experimentally verifiable manner.

Also I am a Christian and I deeply resent the implication that my rejection of geocentrism (and indeed heliocentrism) makes me not a believer in God. I would argue my view of the universe should be considered theocentric, since with relativity the question of where the center of the universe is physically is irrelevant.
How do you measure the light?

You aim it at a device at a certain distance and wait for the reflection. That is not direct observation, that is inference . You cannot directly observe the light, and the speed of light inferred is different in different mediums. Sounds like C is not so C to me.
To directly observe light, you would have to have two observers at enough distance yet are completely synched in time. That experiment has not been done and cannot be done because of time distortion involved at great distances
Without that experiment, you have to admit that we do not know the speed of light. You can say we believe that it is around 186,000 miles per second
I never accused you of not believing in God. I said that you accept the inference of those that do not believe in God over scripture. That is the running gag that has been going on since Rene Descartes and rationalism.
My statement, which is not an accusation because you freely admit it, is that you are taking the word of unbelievers over scripture.

What? We have to accept all the descriptions of Cosmology from atheists and accept that the words of our God are poetry? We have been told that for the last 400 or so years, but it does not make it true. The analysis of the data is wrong.

Science is observation. The motion of the Earth cannot be proved observationally. So it is not scientific. It is a belief, religious if you will
It attempts to appear scientific with its complicated math, but it does not admit its limitations.

Evolution is complete fantasy as it can never be observed and the observations that we have made go against the theory.
It violates philosophical first principles in that the greater cannot come from the lesser. An organism cannot give to its children what it does not have. The most sophisticated computer code ever written did not come from the slime and sand. DNA is so complex that it requires more than water, air, fire and earth to build, or do we believe alchemists over scripture now too?

I did not say that you don’t believe in God, just that I believe that you are mistaken if you accept as scientific the current philosophical thoughts on cosmology. What passes as science today is not science at all. It is a narrative, an inference, a legend, a myth, yet we give them greater credence over the words of our God. Is that your position?

If you can reference the experiments where the speed of light and the motion of the Earth are directly observed, I would like to read about them. Include materials and methods please
 
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We just cannot measure the speed of light in one direction because relativity prevents us from maintaining synchronised clocks. The result is that the speed of light c is really the average speed over a round-trip journey, and that we cannot be certain that the speed is the same in both directions.Jan 27, 2021



Like I said, if your premises are wrong, your inferences of what you think you know are way off, and since the inferences are uncertain, to proclaim them science is arrogance and is more like a false religion
 
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We just cannot measure the speed of light in one direction because relativity prevents us from maintaining synchronised clocks. The result is that the speed of light c is really the average speed over a round-trip journey, and that we cannot be certain that the speed is the same in both directions.Jan 27, 2021

So what? Really, so what?

My answer is not flippant, I want you to really, seriously ask yourself what possible real world significance there is to this.
 
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So what? Really, so what?

My answer is not flippant, I want you to really, seriously ask yourself what possible real world significance there is to this.
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This is a concept that has been and continues to be challenged by some physicists around the world, who argue that the speed of light must be the same in both directions. “But it does not have to be!” said Prof Lewis.

“Even though the one-way speed of light is not experimentally measurable, and we sleep well at night thinking it is isotropic, that does not mean that we should not be prepared for the possibility that some future experiment shows us that it is not.”


The real world significance of it is that we have to remain humble. The current calculations of the size of the universe may be way off, as they are based on assumptions and not direct measurement. It is poetically ironic that those that try to claim that the word of God is allegory, myth or poetic rely only on their imaginations of what the data mean and not what direct observation tells us. Scientific materialism is not science, that is the irony

Theistic evolutionists, by allowing the scientists falsely so called to claim the truth when what they say is not proven true, are playing double agents. Much like Judas played the double agent by presenting Christ to the High Priest.

I do not believe Judas thought Jesus would be beaten and executed, else why would he have remorse at the sight of Christ’s passion? He probably thought that he could force Christ’s hand by getting Him to talk with the High Priests, scribes and Pharisees, Jesus would show them He is God and get them to convert. We know that is not what happened and Judas went into perdition for his unbelief.
The delusion is strong as we are taught it from our youth up, so I don’t blame you for believing it; however, once it is shown to be delusion and imaginations of men, we cannot continue in the charade any longer. The world must be called to repent.
You don’t have to believe in a young Earth, stationary Earth and small universe, even though it is more consistent with the data, to say you believe in God, but you must point out the shortcomings and inconsistencies of modern science falsely so called and not allow it to be preach as eternal dogma. That, your immortal soul does depend on. Humility is the primary virtue of a Christian, and even the wisest of worldly men say the beginning of knowledge is to admit what we don’t know. Would you raise your hand to God, as Judas did? Think about it.

Just as you do not have to believe that the Earth is young and stationary, neither do I or ANY Christian need believe it is old and spinning, as that can’t be observed. It is your choice to humble yourself as did Job, when God asked, “were you there when I laid the foundations of the Earth, tell me if you have understanding” or you can rise up like Cain or play both sides as neither hot nor cold as did Judas.

The evidence for the modern scientific materialism is lacking and believing it is not required to make a decent living. I do alright in the top 1% of earners in the world. Evolution and cosmology has no effect on my income, but God would not look kindly on me if I did not admit the truth and just went along to get along. No, modern “science” is based on inference and the imaginations of men, not real data.

Thankfully physicists and biologist are waking up to this fact and recognize an intelligence in the universe. It is more difficult to talk with a theistic evolutionist than any of them. Go to Discovery institute for science and culture and see for yourself. They are starting to see that the narrative is false and reinvestigate the data, but theistic evolutionists would discourage them. Thankfully they see through the lie and we are on the precipice of a huge paradigm shift in science
This group is secular, not religious. They are the cold spoken of by God when he chastised the Church of Laodicea. We are about to see that theistic evolutionists are the lukewarm or the salt that lost its savor

Those are the real world and eternal consequences of belief. Choose wisely
God charges you to buy gold from Him that has been tried in the fire.

You are the Liturgists and I believe that you like prayerful devotions. Try the litany of humility

O Jesus, meek and humble of heart,

Hear me.

From the desire of being esteemed,

Deliver me, O Jesus.

From the desire of being loved,

Deliver me, O Jesus.

From the desire of being extolled,

Deliver me, O Jesus.

From the desire of being honored,

Deliver me, O Jesus.

From the desire of being praised,

Deliver me, O Jesus.

From the desire of being preferred to others,

Deliver me, O Jesus.

From the desire of being consulted,

Deliver me, O Jesus.

From the desire of being approved,

Deliver me, O Jesus.

From the fear of being humiliated,

Deliver me, O Jesus.

From the fear of being despised,

Deliver me, O Jesus.

From the fear of suffering rebukes,

Deliver me, O Jesus.

From the fear of being calumniated,

Deliver me, O Jesus.

From the fear of being forgotten,

Deliver me, O Jesus.

From the fear of being ridiculed,

Deliver me, O Jesus.

From the fear of being wronged,

Deliver me, O Jesus.

From the fear of being suspected,

Deliver me, O Jesus.

That others may be loved more than I,

Jesus, grant me the grace to desire it.

That others may be esteemed more than I,

Jesus, grant me the grace to desire it.

That, in the opinion of the world, others may increase and I may decrease,

Jesus, grant me the grace to desire it.

That others may be chosen and I set aside,

Jesus, grant me the grace to desire it.

That others may be praised and I go unnoticed,

Jesus, grant me the grace to desire it.

That others may be preferred to me in everything,

Jesus, grant me the grace to desire it.

That others may become holier than I, provided that I may become as holy as I should,

Jesus, grant me the grace to desire it
 
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How can I stop myself being addicted to conspiracies ?

Ever since I was a kid I've rebelled against authority & I love to join all the dots.
I was only 10 years old when I tried to join the dots concerning the book of Revelation.
How has any man been able to be healed, saved ? Not by his own strength, rather by God's Gift, if God chooses to heal him.
 
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Science is observation. The motion of the Earth cannot be proved observationally.
Science is part of so much of what we all have grown up surrounded by - and it is of the world, not of Christ.

Note for instance that no one can prove the Earth moves. God says He Created the Earth immovable. (not turning, not moving)
Someone may or may not be able to find this in Scripture , and usually they choose to believe science opposed to Scripture.
 
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Note for instance that no one can prove the Earth moves. God says He Created the Earth immovable. (not turning, not moving)

Neither one of these statements is true. The Earth is stationary only within its own specific frame of reference, but in the frames of reference of everything else, it is definitely moving. And it definitely rotates, which is why we have a day/night cycle, and this is proven science.

And what is more this does not in any way contradict Sacred Scripture. The suggestion that it does is deeply offensive to the millions of Christians who work in the aerospace, shipping, IT and other industries, and as teachers and practitioners of science, which is completely compatible with scripture, insofar as the sciences allow us to properly appreciate the beauty of God’s creation for what it really is.

Jesus Christ is the incarnate Logos - a word which means the Word, Reason, and is the basis for the word Logic. He is also the Truth. Insofar as science is the pursuit of Truth, Reason and Logic, it is inherently a godly activity which can be practiced by piety. One major mission field for Christians must be the scientific community, because misconceptions about Christianity propagated by the likes of Carl Sagan have corrupted the minds of a community that was historically dominated by Christians since the fourth century.
 
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This is a concept that has been and continues to be challenged by some physicists around the world, who argue that the speed of light must be the same in both directions. “But it does not have to be!” said Prof Lewis.

“Even though the one-way speed of light is not experimentally measurable, and we sleep well at night thinking it is isotropic, that does not mean that we should not be prepared for the possibility that some future experiment shows us that it is not.”


The real world significance of it is that we have to remain humble. The current calculations of the size of the universe may be way off, as they are based on assumptions and not direct measurement. It is poetically ironic that those that try to claim that the word of God is allegory, myth or poetic rely only on their imaginations of what the data mean and not what direct observation tells us. Scientific materialism is not science, that is the irony

Theistic evolutionists, by allowing the scientists falsely so called to claim the truth when what they say is not proven true, are playing double agents. Much like Judas played the double agent by presenting Christ to the High Priest.

I do not believe Judas thought Jesus would be beaten and executed, else why would he have remorse at the sight of Christ’s passion? He probably thought that he could force Christ’s hand by getting Him to talk with the High Priests, scribes and Pharisees, Jesus would show them He is God and get them to convert. We know that is not what happened and Judas went into perdition for his unbelief.
The delusion is strong as we are taught it from our youth up, so I don’t blame you for believing it; however, once it is shown to be delusion and imaginations of men, we cannot continue in the charade any longer. The world must be called to repent.
You don’t have to believe in a young Earth, stationary Earth and small universe, even though it is more consistent with the data, to say you believe in God, but you must point out the shortcomings and inconsistencies of modern science falsely so called and not allow it to be preach as eternal dogma. That, your immortal soul does depend on. Humility is the primary virtue of a Christian, and even the wisest of worldly men say the beginning of knowledge is to admit what we don’t know. Would you raise your hand to God, as Judas did? Think about it.

Just as you do not have to believe that the Earth is young and stationary, neither do I or ANY Christian need believe it is old and spinning, as that can’t be observed. It is your choice to humble yourself as did Job, when God asked, “were you there when I laid the foundations of the Earth, tell me if you have understanding” or you can rise up like Cain or play both sides as neither hot nor cold as did Judas.

The evidence for the modern scientific materialism is lacking and believing it is not required to make a decent living. I do alright in the top 1% of earners in the world. Evolution and cosmology has no effect on my income, but God would not look kindly on me if I did not admit the truth and just went along to get along. No, modern “science” is based on inference and the imaginations of men, not real data.

Thankfully physicists and biologist are waking up to this fact and recognize an intelligence in the universe. It is more difficult to talk with a theistic evolutionist than any of them. Go to Discovery institute for science and culture and see for yourself. They are starting to see that the narrative is false and reinvestigate the data, but theistic evolutionists would discourage them. Thankfully they see through the lie and we are on the precipice of a huge paradigm shift in science
This group is secular, not religious. They are the cold spoken of by God when he chastised the Church of Laodicea. We are about to see that theistic evolutionists are the lukewarm or the salt that lost its savor

Those are the real world and eternal consequences of belief. Choose wisely
God charges you to buy gold from Him that has been tried in the fire.

You are the Liturgists and I believe that you like prayerful devotions. Try the litany of humility

O Jesus, meek and humble of heart,

Hear me.

From the desire of being esteemed,

Deliver me, O Jesus.

From the desire of being loved,

Deliver me, O Jesus.

From the desire of being extolled,

Deliver me, O Jesus.

From the desire of being honored,

Deliver me, O Jesus.

From the desire of being praised,

Deliver me, O Jesus.

From the desire of being preferred to others,

Deliver me, O Jesus.

From the desire of being consulted,

Deliver me, O Jesus.

From the desire of being approved,

Deliver me, O Jesus.

From the fear of being humiliated,

Deliver me, O Jesus.

From the fear of being despised,

Deliver me, O Jesus.

From the fear of suffering rebukes,

Deliver me, O Jesus.

From the fear of being calumniated,

Deliver me, O Jesus.

From the fear of being forgotten,

Deliver me, O Jesus.

From the fear of being ridiculed,

Deliver me, O Jesus.

From the fear of being wronged,

Deliver me, O Jesus.

From the fear of being suspected,

Deliver me, O Jesus.

That others may be loved more than I,

Jesus, grant me the grace to desire it.

That others may be esteemed more than I,

Jesus, grant me the grace to desire it.

That, in the opinion of the world, others may increase and I may decrease,

Jesus, grant me the grace to desire it.

That others may be chosen and I set aside,

Jesus, grant me the grace to desire it.

That others may be praised and I go unnoticed,

Jesus, grant me the grace to desire it.

That others may be preferred to me in everything,

Jesus, grant me the grace to desire it.

That others may become holier than I, provided that I may become as holy as I should,

Jesus, grant me the grace to desire it

Judas has nothing to do with the speed of light or evolution.

At any rate, my point is that all that matters is the round-trip speed of light, since light speed is used for communication, but we do have substantial evidence from the behavior of certain applications such as LIGO, GPS and fibre optic networks that the speed is consistent in both directions. In principle, if anyone really cared, it would be possible to build a detector to settle the matter, by transmitting time-stamped packets from a remote station at specific pre-scheduled intervals and then recording these to ensure they had arrived on time. And indeed packets are time-stamped, so there is a lot to indicate the speed is consistent, at least for all practical purposes. But if its not, it really doesn’t make any difference, since with light, all that matters for the things we use it for (namely, communication and measurement) is the round trip travel time.
 
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Food will become too expensive to buy.

This is a legitimate concern, and it is one scientists are working on. So not really a conspiracy theory per se.
 
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This is a legitimate concern, and it is one scientists are working on. So not really a conspiracy theory per se.

Scientific intervention isn't always beneficial nor is the population's welfare the primary concern. They work for corporations and institutions. Many of the problems we have are the result of their involvement. And commercial agriculture cares about profits not health.

~bella
 
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Scientific intervention isn't always beneficial nor is the population's welfare the primary concern. They work for corporations and institutions. Many of the problems we have are the result of their involvement. And commercial agriculture cares about profits not health.

~bella

And conversely many of the problems we don’t have are also the result of the involvement of scientists. For example, the eradication of smallpox, the near-eradication of polio, and the elimination of malaria in the United States, and the development of antibiotics are all positive contributions by scientists.

Consider that in 1924 the 14 year old son of President Calvin Coolidge, who was a perfectly healthy boy, died tragically as the result of a blister forming on his foot after a game of tennis, and getting infected. This extreme tragedy would no longer occur because of anti-biotics.

And scientists are also the ones sounding the alarm about the dangerous misuse of antibiotics, for example, by swine farmers, in order to increase profitability, which is increasing drug-resistant antibiotics, a practice which should be banned, obviously. In Europe pork meat tastes noticeably better, because the pigs are free range and are fed wheat, and live in nice pig houses in areas such as Jutland, which I have seen first hand. Happy animals lead to better meat. But in the case of pork, the use of antibiotics is too dangerous to humans due to their biological overlap. Chicken and fish are clearly the way to go for high quantity meat production, and also I would say ostriches have a lot of potential - ostrich meat is a delicious juicy red meat which I prefer to many cuts of beef. Whereas bison is a bit lean and nasty and has the same production problems as beef. Likewise, duck meat is something we could be doing more with.

What we need is to optimize food production around those types of animals and plants where we can get the highest yields without soil depletion or risks to biological safety, and the real enemy here is what one might call the agricultural-industrial complex. Devolving farm ownership back down to individual farms, such as those operated by my cousin Scott in Illinois, is the way to go. Collective farming and industrial farming seem to be two sides of the same coin.
 
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