How can I stop myself being addicted to conspiracies ?

[boughtwithaprice]

And what of the many Christians who are scientists?

What of them? Science itself does not contradict the word of God. Science is purely observational research. We take a look at the world and collect data.

The deception is the narrative put on top of that data, then presenting that narrative as fact, which it is not. Many Christians have fallen into the trap of believing the narrative. God told us that the deception would be so believable, if it were possible, so as to deceive the very elect.

Science and Christianity are not in conflict. That itself is a deception which paints Christians as magical thinkers and scientists as rational.

What passes for science today is philosophy driven, not data driven. It takes a lot of thought and diligent reading to unravel the narrative, which is told to us everyday as the truth, and reinforced by peer pressure and mockery if we descent. Well meaning Christians try to argue God to fit their narrative, which has noble intentions but traps a Christian into endless argument, propositions and rebuttals. I feel bad for them, because one can never turn a lie into the truth.

I have a post graduate degree, I have participated in genetic research, have a small number of published papers and have given presentation of data at international conferences.
I know how it works.

My job is not convince people by my logic and intellect, as I count it all loss for the cause of Christ, that is the Holy Spirit’s job. What I can do is point out the holes in the logic of the current narrative. There are huge gaping holes, yet they are glossed over and no one wants to talk about it. Go ahead, talk to an evolutionist and point out the extreme statistical unlikely interpretation of their analysis of their data and watch how fast the conversation stops
Talk about philosophical first principles with a theistic evolutionist and watch how fast he will try to paint the creationist as a kook.

Christians can be in science if they maintain philosophical first principles and follow the data, not the narrative. A lot of them have been deceived. It’s time to wake up

 

[boughtwithaprice]

They don't fit the atheist narrative.
Many of the pioneers of science are Christians.

As I said science and Christianity are not in conflict. It is the modern narrative which passes itself as science which is.

We research the history of the modern narrative and we find that it began with Rene Descartes and his rationalism. He insisted that there were no miracles. He denied the supernatural and took the stance that everything in the Bible can be explained by natural laws and human intellect.
We see this style of thought slowly take over, and we have the beginnings of freemasonry and Unitarianism.
Harvard was a Christian institution until the Unitarians kicked the Calvinists out of Harvard. We know Unitarians today as Humanists, aka scientific materialists aka atheists

There is nothing unchristian or unbiblical about science. That is also a false charge

 

[christian-surfer]

Yes.

Who was it that convinced you that the earth is flat ?

 

[Apple Sky]

Who was it that convinced you that the earth is flat ?

My own logic.

 

[boughtwithaprice]

If anything flat earth has bought me closer to the Lord.



Yes very much so, pluss Pastor Dean Odle & many other good people.



I do every day.

Greetings Apple Sky and peace be with you.
I have come to the conclusion that it is very easy to believe in conspiracy theories because the prevailing world view is flawed, and resistant to self reflection. This leads us to see that it is a lie.

When in this kind of environment we can get into the enemy of my enemy is my friend mentality. This is prime situation for spiritual deception. Demons love to play those kind of games.
The way to combat them is not with intellect, but with will. God gives us free will, and we always have the freedom to choose or reject God.
Our intellect is not complete, which is why we have life long learning. Our emotions are such that we have a sense of good and evil because of the fall, but due to our incomplete intellect, they are subject to manipulation, and Satan is the master manipulator.
We engage him in battle when we love the truth. He will challenge your intellect to invoke your pride. We don’t know an answer so he tries to persuade us to his side to not feel foolish. Then he gets the emotions to paint a situation where he accuses God of being unjust and wants us to feel outrage against God.

We overcome by the grace of God and knowing that God is, and is a rewarder of those that diligently seek Him. No matter his display of intellect (yes demons are smarter than us), we take the humility and shame of appearing foolish rather than betray God as Judas did. No matter how unjust a situation we find ourselves in, we stand with Job and say though He slay me, still I will serve Him, we do not take the advice of Job’s wife to curse God and die.

This is why we listen to Jesus and take up our cross, deny ourselves and follow Him. He says we will be hated by all men for His name’s sake.
The Christian path is not easy, but the only one that leads to life.

There is a conspiracy amongst the demons to manipulate our will to reject God. Not every conspiracy theory that points that out is true. Some are made as distractions to captivate us and stop our search for God

I would say don’t worry that you feel yourself addicted to conspiracy theories, however don’t give up searching for God. The truth is that there is a conspiracy, but not every conspiracy theory is the truth

 

[christian-surfer]

My own logic.

If you see a ship in the distance, part of the ship appears below the surface becasue there's a curvature ?

If you fly a plan east or in any direction, eventually then you come back to where you started ? If the earth is flat then it would have an edge somewhere ?

 

[Apple Sky]

If you see a ship in the distance, part of the ship appears below the surface becasue there's a curvature ?

With a good camera you zoom the ship back into full view.

If you fly a plan east or in any direction, eventually then you come back to where you started ? If the earth is flat then it would have an edge somewhere ?

The earth doesn't have edges it has ice boundary's.

 

[christian-surfer]

With a good camera you zoom the ship back into full view.



The earth doesn't have edges it has ice boundary's.

If that were true then you could fly over those ice boundaries with an airplane ?

We have pictures from space, the moon, the sun and other objects are clearly round ?

 

[Apple Sky]

If that were true then you could fly over those ice boundaries with an airplane ?

Admiral Richard Byrd has done just this.

We have pictures from space,

All fake plus they always use a fish eyed lens.

the sun and other objects are clearly round ?

Yes the sun & the moon are but the planets are just wondering stars.

 

[christian-surfer]

Admiral Richard Byrd has done just this.



All fake plus they always use a fish eyed lens.



Yes the sun & the moon are but the planets are just wondering stars.

Admiral Byrd did what ? You are not giving much details.

You should be careful who you listen to. There are groups out there putting out fake information to make legit conspiracies appear as crazy. I have been debating people on global warming before and then they accuse me of believing the earth is flat. The earth is not flat and it has nothing to do with questioning the global warming claims

 

[boughtwithaprice]

Admiral Byrd did what ? You are not giving much details.

You should be careful who you listen to. There are groups out there putting out fake information to make legit conspiracies appear as crazy. I have been debating people on global warming before and then they accuse me of believing the earth is flat. The earth is not flat and it has nothing to do with questioning the global warming claims

The Earth is warming, but it is due to natural variations in the Sun and not any of this human activity bunk
All we have to do is follow the money and the power. Who benefits and why?

If we implemented the drastic emission reductions proposed by the green lobby, what would happen?
Ok let’s see, shut down farms? Less food, how it’s that going to work out?
Less fuel? Or no fuel? Freeze to death in winter anyone?

Ok so we murder large amounts of people all to lay at the feet of an inanimate object, the Earth to pay homage to an imaginary deity, Mother Nature, so we can “save the planet “?!?! But people will starve and freeze. So what gotta save the planet. But what good is a saved planet if I am dead? The planet is not alive. Go ahead and virtue signal a reduced carbon footprint while your fellow men are dying. Sounds like Moloch all over again. Let’s scare the children into sacrificing themselves. Great plan

 

[prodromos]

I think it is clear that @Apple Sky gets most of her flat earth views, and particularly the nonsense claims about Admiral Byrd, from her beloved Pastor Dean Odle

 

[Apple Sky]

The Earth is warming, but it is due to natural variations in the Sun and not any of this human activity bunk
All we have to do is follow the money and the power. Who benefits and why?

The World Economic Forum an international non-governmental organization, think tank, and lobbying organisation based in Cologny, Canton of Geneva, Switzerland. It was founded on 24 January 1971 by German engineer Klaus Schwab who's boss is King Charles.

 

[Apple Sky]

I think it is clear that @Apple Sky gets most of her flat earth views, and particularly the nonsense claims about Admiral Byrd, from her beloved Pastor Dean Odle

Yes & he does not talk nonsense, he's preached for well over thirty years & not only about f/e but about all sorts, one very interesting guy who I'd very much like to meet.

 

[Strong in Him]

Yes & he does not talk nonsense, he's preached for well over thirty years & not only about f/e but about all sorts, one very interesting guy who I'd very much like to meet.

Just because someone preaches for 30 years, it doesn't mean they are right about everything.

 

[Apple Sky]

Just because someone preaches for 30 years, it doesn't mean they are right about everything.

Dean thinks very much like me & is very much on my wave length..... When it comes to Jesus, boy, can he enthusiastically preach & knows his Bible inside out from Genesis to Revelation. And IMHO God is using him for the greater good.

You should watch some of his sermons before you judge the guy.

 

[prodromos]

You should watch some of his sermons before you judge the guy.

I have. I've commented on a few of his claims already.

 

[The Liturgist]

Only if you know what the speed of light is, and the proper distance of stars, both of which are inferred and cannot be directly observed

Not true. The speed of light in a vacuum is one of the most well-established quantities, so much so that it is possible to coherently describe other aspects of physics in an experimentally verifiable manner.

Also I am a Christian and I deeply resent the implication that my rejection of geocentrism (and indeed heliocentrism) makes me not a believer in God. I would argue my view of the universe should be considered theocentric, since with relativity the question of where the center of the universe is physically is irrelevant.

 

[bèlla]

The World Economic Forum an international non-governmental organization, think tank, and lobbying organisation based in Cologny, Canton of Geneva, Switzerland. It was founded on 24 January 1971 by German engineer Klaus Schwab who's boss is King Charles.

Americans were indoctrinated to believe what they hear by various sources. Home, school, church, government, culture, etc. The majority don't care about WEF or know what it is nor are they interested. If someone told me I'd own nothing and be happy during a global crisis from an organization who's board has an American presence I'd be concerned.

But I'm not the sort to wait on others before taking action. I knew he was for real and did my homework to confirm it while others ignored him. Now we have project 2025 and the deck keeps stacking. If you study history you'll find the ones who acted early usually fared best. By the time people realize there's a problem the window is closed and they're stuck.

While I haven't seen your posts I can attest your concerns for WEF aren't unfounded. They shouldn't be trusted.

~bella

 

[Strong in Him]

Dean thinks very much like me & is very much on my wave length..... When it comes to Jesus, boy, can he enthusiastically preach & knows his Bible inside out from Genesis to Revelation. And IMHO God is using him for the greater good.

You should watch some of his sermons before you judge the guy.

I wasn't judging the guy; I said that a person is not necessarily right just because they preach for a long time.

Neither is it the case that I disagree with everything he says, just because he is wrong about a flat earth (if indeed that is what he teaches.)
I am delighted that he is enthusiastic about Jesus. Jesus saves, heals, forgives and gives us every spiritual blessing, Ephesians 1:3. Flat earth belief does none of those things.